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Orangeslice13 said:
I believe you think that but I don’t believe you would but that’s ok.
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There's that condescension you were talking about earlier. This is where I could say I don't gaf what you think or believe about me.....or I can just say nothing.

It's hard for me to think you wouldn't welcome death if you were on death row and knew in your heart you had paid for your sins and were going to meet Jesus.
 
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Unfortunately I have seen 4 deaths and they are never ready to go. My sister was saved baptized and when the cancer got to her liver she moan for 12 hours till she passed . Why not just pass and go to heaven the human side of us deep down still wants to live.
 
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Behr said:
There's that condescension you were talking about earlier. This is where I could say I don't gaf what you think or believe about me.....or I can just say nothing.

It's hard for me to think you wouldn't welcome death if you were on death row and knew in your heart you had paid for your sins and were going to meet Jesus.
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I totally get what your saying I’ve always thought I am just to pretty to go to prison. That is the worst thing I can imagine. Worse than death
 
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I'm not ready to go now. That wasn't the question. I'm afraid I end up in hell if I died right now.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Well said
And in addition you find a way to share your beliefs without being a condescending arrogant **** about it.
And no I don’t think all Baptist have sex with goats. But this is the zone and there is a prominent preacher from chattanooga who got caught with goat porn on his computer. So not all Baptist do it but at least of of you is a confirmed goat partaker.
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How does one find goat porn? Asking for @joevol33
 
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Behr said:
There's that condescension you were talking about earlier. This is where I could say I don't gaf what you think or believe about me.....or I can just say nothing.

It's hard for me to think you wouldn't welcome death if you were on death row and knew in your heart you had paid for your sins and were going to meet Jesus.
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I guess I’m different than you in that if I were on death row I’d believe G-d still had work for me to do. I thought that of you too.
There’s that condescension, believing you’re not a quitter and whatnot

Turns out I have a much higher opinion of you than you have of me.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I guess I’m different than you in that if I were on death row I’d believe G-d still had work for me to do. I thought that of you too.
There’s that condescension, believing you’re not a quitter and whatnot

Turns out I have a much higher opinion of you than you have of me.
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I was just considering the way you asked the question as in death was inevitable, so that changes the context. Right?

Or it could be that we just have different beliefs/understanding on death and afterlife.
 
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Behr said:
I was just considering the way you asked the question as in death was inevitable, so that changes the context. Right?

Or it could be that we just have different beliefs/understanding on death and afterlife.
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I simply think death is worse than prison. You changed the context with salvation. Then you said you’d choose the chair. While I believe you believe that now, ultimately I think you’d prefer to live and work for G-d. I should have said it that way.

I think we’re probably pretty close on afterlife.
After death….not so much
 
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With what my father is going through, it has me reevaluating what I think with regard to decision making and consciousness.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I have read the collections and summations including the 2020 update.
that’s how I know.
I don’t limit myself as you do. I’m seeking the truth.
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So you're saying that you read all the writings that is before 300 ad and there's no mention of eternal punishment? Is this a correct statement?
 
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vol445 said:
Is that punishment death or burning in hell forever?
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Eternal punishment

ETER'NAL, a. [L. oeternus, composed of oevum and ternus, oeviternus, Varro. The origin of the last component part of the word is not obvious. It occurs in diuturnus, and seems to denote continuance.]
1. Without beginning or end of existence.
The eternal God is thy refuge. Deut.33.
2. Without beginning of existence.
To know whether there is any real being, whose duration has been eternal.
3. Without end of existence or duration; everlasting; endless; immortal.
That they may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Tim.2.
What shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Matt.19.
Suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 7.
4. Perpetual; ceaseless; continued without intermission.
And fires eternal in thy temple shine.
5. Unchangeable; existing at all times without change; as eternal truth.
ETER'NAL, n. An appellation of God.


PUN'ISHMENT, n. Any pain or suffering inflicted on a person for a crime or offense, by the authority to which the offender is subject, either by the constitution of God or of civil society. The punishment of the faults and offenses of children by the parent, is by virtue of the right of government with which the parent is invested by God himself. This species of punishment is chastisement or correction. The punishment of crimes against the laws is inflicted by the supreme power of the state in virtue of the right of government, vested in the prince or legislature. The right of punishment belongs only to persons clothed with authority. Pain, loss or evil willfully inflicted on another for his crimes or offenses by a private unauthorized person, is revenge rather than punishment.
Some punishments consist in exile or transportation, others in loss of liberty by imprisonment; some extend to confiscation by forfeiture of lands and goods, others induce a disability of holding offices, of being heirs and the like.
Divine punishments are doubtless designed to secure obedience to divine laws, and uphold the moral order of created intelligent beings.
The rewards and punishments of another life, which the almighty has established as the enforcements of his law, are of weight enough to determine the choice against whatever pleasure or pain this life can show.
 
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BigO95 said:
So you're saying that you read all the writings that is before 300 ad and there's no mention of eternal punishment? Is this a correct statement?
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there’s plenty of references to the eternal and final death as punishment. There’s no reference to or conversation on the concept of eternal life in torture.

It doesn’t exist before the pagan corruption
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
there’s plenty of references to the eternal and final death as punishment. There’s no reference to or conversation on the concept of eternal life in torture.

It doesn’t exist before the pagan corruption
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Except the bible plainly teaches it. That's before 300 ad
 
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