The ofishal zone devotional thread!

[Orangeslice13]

John 3:16.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I never understood that angle. So "punishment" is just dying?

You think it’s not?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I showed you what you asked for, now prove it wrong if you can.

Already have.
Sheol isn’t a place of punishment in Torah.
Never has been and never will be

 

[BigO95]

Already have.

No sir you didn't

 

[Behr]

You think it’s not?

I personally do, but that's because I know, believe and have faith in God.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Literally
John 3:16.

Shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

there are 2 options. Life and death

 

[Orangeslice13]

I personally do, but that's because I know, believe and have faith in God.

So do you think people convicted of murder would think life in prison was worse than the death penalty?

 

[508mikey]

Why is this bull **** in the zone ?

he already has a thread in the PF - PJ would just merge it

 

[Behr]

Literally
John 3:16.

Shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

there are 2 options. Life and death

God gave his only begotten son to save us from our sins.

I believe he went through all that, no way to explain it to do it justice, for us and to save us from hell. Not just a peaceful death.

Seems harsh, but OT shows he can be. All we have to do is obey our creator.

 

[Behr]

So do you think people convicted of murder would think life in prison was worse than the death penalty?

I have no idea. Have they been saved?

 

[vol445]

Eternal Punishment is death of the soul. The second death I believe it shows YHWHS mercy
eternal torment is burning in hell forever, no second death doesn’t show mercy and it equals eternal life but a really bad one.
Just my thinking process

 

[Orangeslice13]

he already has a thread in the PF - PJ would just merge it

I’ve tried.
I can stay away from that one but for some reason I get sucked into this one. It’s my own fault for opening it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

God gave his only begotten son to save us from our sins.

I believe he went through all that, no way to explain it to do it justice, for us and to save us from hell. Not just a peaceful death.

Seems harsh, but OT shows he can be. All we have to do is obey our creator.

All good points
But John is leading up to the proclamation in 3:16 and chose to say “shall not die, but have everlasting life”.
If the options are life in hell or life in paradise then why confuse the reader.
2nd. History is on my side. The concept of eternal torture doesn’t exist in any Christian writings before 300ad and we have a lot of them to look at.

 

[BigO95]

Eternal Punishment is death of the soul. The second death I believe it shows YHWHS mercy
eternal torment is burning in hell forever, no second death doesn’t show mercy and it equals eternal life but a really bad one.
Just my thinking process

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It will never change..... The scriptures are forever settled in heaven!

 

[Orangeslice13]

I have no idea. Have they been saved?

The state of Tennessee isn’t concerned with that.
The state clearly sees it as a more harsh punishment. That’s why we don’t do it very often

 

[BigO95]

All good points
But John is leading up to the proclamation in 3:16 and chose to say “shall not die, but have everlasting life”.
If the options are life in hell or life in paradise then why confuse the reader.
2nd. History is on my side. The concept of eternal torture doesn’t exist in any Christian writings before 300ad and we have a lot of them to look at.

Have you read them all? If not, how do you know?

 

[vol445]

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It will never change..... The scriptures are forever settled in heaven!

So are you agreeing with me?

 

[Orangeslice13]

God gave his only begotten son to save us from our sins.

I believe he went through all that, no way to explain it to do it justice, for us and to save us from hell. Not just a peaceful death.

Seems harsh, but OT shows he can be. All we have to do is obey our creator.

Have you ever seen anyone die?
I’ve been there 3 times. Have not seen a peaceful death yet

 

[BigO95]

So are you agreeing with me?

I'm saying that verse clearly teaches eternal punishment.

 

[vol445]

I'm saying that verse clearly teaches eternal punishment.

Is that punishment death or burning in hell forever?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Mathew 25
46 These will go away into (AQ)eternal death, but the righteous into (AR)eternal life.”

 

[Orangeslice13]

Is that punishment death or burning in hell forever?

New oxfords word study now says the appropriate word there is death not punishment. But they’re just comparing ancient literature to see how the word was used everywhere else.

 

[Behr]

The state of Tennessee isn’t concerned with that.
The state clearly sees it as a more harsh punishment. That’s why we don’t do it very often

I believe if I was on death row and had received Jesus and was going to heaven, I'll show myself to the chair.

 

[rocytop2624]

I don't believe God would let his son die on the cross to forgive us of our sins to just let someone be tortured in hell for a sin. And what sin? A sin is a sin all sin is the same so if you stole a meal to eat is that person going to burn in hell? Didn't Jesus die on the cross to forgive us of our sins? He even died to forgive us of sins 2000 years down the road. If he knew our sins and sins we would commit then he knows are every move from birth to death . And God is love . Love brings people together. If you want more Christians then you show love teach love teach them God.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Have you read them all? If not, how do you know?

I have read the collections and summations including the 2020 update.
that’s how I know.
I don’t limit myself as you do. I’m seeking the truth.