The Official Rick Barnes discussion thread

[MinisterofDef#92]

I'd love to see Rick take us to our first Final Four AND pass Ray Mears for most wins with 279 (27 away)

This. We are peaking at the right time and have a very balanced and dangerous team. I've wanted CRB to get it done here and build out his resume to shut-up all the haters/ignorant parts of our fanbase. Maybe that's why I freaked out with JP's injury and the Vandy game where they "let us" hang around - we were starting to see the development of this team heading into March.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The positive is with Felix, Brown, Carey and even Ament you can not only compete but win why JP gets right for a March run.

Burg being able to come in and play 12-15 good minutes of ball along with Evans adding 16-20 himself allows this team to have some flexibility to the lineup.

I'd love to see Ja'Kobi/Ament both have a game or two where they can play 32 or less minutes and we win...but may just not be possible.

 

[Chaz-Vol]

The positive is with Felix, Brown, Carey and even Ament you can not only compete but win why JP gets right for a March run.

Burg being able to come in and play 12-15 good minutes of ball along with Evans adding 16-20 himself allows this team to have some flexibility to the lineup.

I'd love to see Ja'Kobi/Ament both have a game or two where they can play 32 or less minutes and we win...but may just not be possible.

The offense takes a massive dip when JG is not out there so I think for all of March he'll be averaging probably around 35 minutes a game.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

The positive is with Felix, Brown, Carey and even Ament you can not only compete but win why JP gets right for a March run.

Burg being able to come in and play 12-15 good minutes of ball along with Evans adding 16-20 himself allows this team to have some flexibility to the lineup.

I'd love to see Ja'Kobi/Ament both have a game or two where they can play 32 or less minutes and we win...but may just not be possible.

Agree in general hence my game post. Brown's continued dev and BB's willingness to be aggressive on offense is a must. JG turning teams over is a huge & recent development which needs to continue.

Carey will continue to be limited and dependent on match-ups imo but def gives us depth and min if/when foul trouble happens. Other than the risk of JP having to shut it down or play at X%, my biggest worry is that refs swallow their whistle with Ament and allow even more physical play against him.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Agree in general hence my game post. Brown's continued dev and BB's willingness to be aggressive on offense is a must. JG turning teams over is a huge & recent development which needs to continue.

Carey will continue to be limited and dependent on match-ups imo but def gives us depth and min if/when foul trouble happens. Other than the risk of JP having to shut it down or play at X%, my biggest worry is that refs swallow their whistle with Ament and allow even more physical play against him.

Yeah... really if 3 of Bishop, Evans, Felix, Carey, Burg can give you 35+ a game...you should win most games. Assuming Ament/Ja'Kobi get the 36+ they average together.

Carey is the best rebounder on the team he can help us win games even if he's not scoring 10 points. We also still have Abram/Troy in the mix...at some point I think both will contribute in a game or two where Burg or Bishop is struggling.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Yeah... really if 3 of Bishop, Evans, Felix, Carey, Burg can give you 35+ a game...you should win most games. Assuming Ament/Ja'Kobi get the 36+ they average together.

Carey is the best rebounder on the team he can help us win games even if he's not scoring 10 points. We also still have Abram/Troy in the mix...at some point I think both will contribute in a game or two where Burg or Bishop is struggling.

Carey's reb stats are a bit misleading imo and have to be recast to account for all of his Rodman rebounds (Edit: O-rebs that is) but he def gives us much needed post depth esp if JP is limited/out. Really, really love Brown getting more minutes going forward...Evans also to a lesser degree though. Agree Felix and BB have to stay out of foul trouble. Hopefully Burg can continue to contribute - rooting for him.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Carey's reb stats are a bit misleading imo and have to be recast to account for all of his Rodman rebounds (Edit: O-rebs that is) but he def gives us much needed post depth esp if JP is limited/out. Really, really love Brown getting more minutes going forward...Evans also to a lesser degree though. Agree Felix and BB have to stay out of foul trouble. Hopefully Burg can continue to contribute - rooting for him.

Carey has 164 total rebounds, 77 offensive rebounds and 87 defensive. He's played 504 minutes.
Ament leads the team with total rebounds at 176, 44 offensive and 132 defensive. He's played 826 minutes.

"mebounds" or not I'd much rather Carey grabbing them than the other team...Felix has 20 less rebounds and has played 141 more minutes. Bishop has 41 less rebounds while playing 114 more minutes

Even looking at per 40 it's Carey, JP & then a fairly good drop to Brown...then everyone else is in that 8-9 range

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Carey has 164 total rebounds, 77 offensive rebounds and 87 defensive. He's played 504 minutes.
Ament leads the team with total rebounds at 176, 44 offensive and 132 defensive. He's played 826 minutes.

"mebounds" or not I'd much rather Carey grabbing them than the other team...Felix has 20 less rebounds and has played 141 more minutes. Bishop has 41 less rebounds while playing 114 more minutes

Even looking at per 40 it's Carey, JP & then a fairly good drop to Brown...then everyone else is in that 8-9 range

Thanks for pulling the numbers...hadn't looked in awhile but thought it was more skewed a 2-3 wks ago.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I think he’d love to pass the UNC coaches. Roy and Dean.

He's a better coach than Roy

 

[vols 30]

He's a better coach than Roy

Roy has 9 final fours and 3 national championships.

I know you are going to say it's a lot easier to win at Kansas and UNC, but still, those numbers speak for themselves

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Roy has 9 final fours and 3 national championships.

I know you are going to say it's a lot easier to win at Kansas and UNC, but still, those numbers speak for themselves

You read my mind. Didn't know it would be you, but I too, knew that would be a response. Not once did Roy have to resurrect a program from obscurity to national relevance.

 

[LibertyVol]

You read my mind. Didn't know it would be you, but I too, knew that would be a response. Not once did Roy have to resurrect a program from obscurity to national relevance.

Roy also coached at blue bloods. Also I am not sure Roy always followed the rules. All things being equal, it is hard not to take Barnes.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Thanks for pulling the numbers...hadn't looked in awhile but thought it was more skewed a 2-3 wks ago.

Carey does still lead the team in offensive rebounds, so he for sure is getting some of his own misses back.

I think for Carey the biggest thing is to let the game come to him a bit more...he's almost always made his mind up if he gets the ball in the paint no matter who or how many guard him it's going to be a shot attempt. Would benefit greatly from either being quicker to his shot attempt (before the double team arrives) or throwing out quickly once the double arrives.

 

[YankeeVol]

He's a better coach than Roy

 

[YankeeVol]

I'd like to see Barnes coach at the real UT for as long as he did the "other" UT. I know it won't happen

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Carey does still lead the team in offensive rebounds, so he for sure is getting some of his own misses back.

I think for Carey the biggest thing is to let the game come to him a bit more...he's almost always made his mind up if he gets the ball in the paint no matter who or how many guard him it's going to be a shot attempt. Would benefit greatly from either being quicker to his shot attempt (before the double team arrives) or throwing out quickly once the double arrives.

And that's the quandary with him that I was alluding to as he also misses an inordinate amount of those putbacks but I agree with you overall regarding Carey's impact on the boards. Re: once he gets the ball, it's tough because he hasn't shown any sort of consistent shot making other than a point blank layup. I agree he has shown the ability to make some nice passes in the post and kick-outs just not that often as you said...it seems they tried for a hot minute to have him in the high post so he could kick it down low or back out but haven't noticed that lately.

 

[Pennheel]

He's a better coach than Roy

Ironically,I read this article about 10 years ago on coaches who anonymously said who the two most overrated coaches in college basketball.

Roy for coaching blue bloods because "anyone" could do that. Sounded like jealousy. Using that metric,Self is overrated at Kansas which he's not. He proved himself elsewhere.

The other was Barnes for not winning with the talent he had.

No point there. It just reminded me of that.