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#6,352
#6,352
So if Jeff wins, it was all a conspiracy? Regardless of whether he has a great car? It's not like he isn't capable of winning a race.

If Harvick wins - wrecked his way in.
If Kyle wins - got special treatment from NASCAR to be eligible.

Martin Truex is the only clear champion here. Cancel the race.

Seems legit.
 
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#6,354
#6,354
95 Vol Alum said:
So if Jeff wins, it was all a conspiracy? Regardless of whether he has a great car? It's not like he isn't capable of winning a race.

If Harvick wins - wrecked his way in.
If Kyle wins - got special treatment from NASCAR to be eligible.

Martin Truex is the only clear champion here. Cancel the race.

Seems legit.
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My thing is, I don't think most of the guys in the final segment were the best driver over the course of the season. This sport is random, and this chase is even more random. It is what it is.

I'll still watch, and it will be fascinating. I just don't think NASCAR has found the perfect format.

What do you do though?

You want to make every race important.
 
#6,355
#6,355
Nerd-Vol said:
My thing is, I don't think most of the guys in the final segment were the best driver over the course of the season. This sport is random, and this chase is even more random. It is what it is.

I'll still watch, and it will be fascinating. I just don't think NASCAR has found the perfect format.

What do you do though?

You want to make every race important.
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The old format was the best way to find a champion. The problem is that it would be very stale towards the end of the season, because usually, the points leader had a huge points lead, like when Kenseth won his championship in 03. It was anti-climatic finish to the season.
 
#6,356
#6,356
Nerd-Vol said:
My thing is, I don't think most of the guys in the final segment were the best driver over the course of the season. This sport is random, and this chase is even more random. It is what it is.

I'll still watch, and it will be fascinating. I just don't think NASCAR has found the perfect format.

What do you do though?

You want to make every race important.
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I don't think that's possible. I also don't think there is a magical perfect format either.
 
#6,357
#6,357
Nerd-Vol said:
My thing is, I don't think most of the guys in the final segment were the best driver over the course of the season. This sport is random, and this chase is even more random. It is what it is.

I'll still watch, and it will be fascinating. I just don't think NASCAR has found the perfect format.

What do you do though?

You want to make every race important.
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This format was advertised to be about winning but a driver can win every race except Homestead and still lose the championship to a driver who hasn't won a race during the season. I would like to see the driver with the most season wins automatically advance to the next round each time and non-winners qualify only for the first round of the chase. This would eliminate a non-winner winning the championship. JMO
 
#6,358
#6,358
We can keep the eliminator side of it but I'd prefer it if the last 3 races were actually for the title instead of a single race.

A single race is far too random, IMO.

5 drivers, 3 races for it all.

Driver with the most regular season wins is the only free pass to the final 3.
 
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#6,363
#6,363
Nerd-Vol said:
My thing is, I don't think most of the guys in the final segment were the best driver over the course of the season. This sport is random, and this chase is even more random. It is what it is.

I'll still watch, and it will be fascinating. I just don't think NASCAR has found the perfect format.

What do you do though?

You want to make every race important.
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Agreed. The chase is a joke. Playoffs even more of a joke. There is too much money in this sport and so much time (10-11 months) spent on the season that to have your championship hopes erased by a blown engine,crash,a any little mishap in one race in the chase. I wouldn't mind testing out the points system that f1 uses. Hell or even try the old points system again but keep the points like it is(1st-43 points, 2nd 42nd and so on).NASCAR just overreacted to the decline of the attendance and ratings when they came up with the chase.
 
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#6,364
#6,364
The question is what do we value more as NASCAR fans? The "show" or purity?

Do we want constant entertainment or do we want to walk away knowing that the best driver and team won that race?

I feel like ever series has that on a sliding scale. NASCAR tends to focus more on the show as does indycar at times. F1 used to be pretty heavy towards the purity side but they are working towards the show side.
 
#6,365
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steve328 said:
This format was advertised to be about winning but a driver can win every race except Homestead and still lose the championship to a driver who hasn't won a race during the season. I would like to see the driver with the most season wins automatically advance to the next round each time and non-winners qualify only for the first round of the chase. This would eliminate a non-winner winning the championship. JMO
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I wish they would go back to the old points system pre chase, but that ship has sailed.
 
#6,366
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Dustin4Vols said:
Agreed. The chase is a joke. Playoffs even more of a joke. There is too much money in this sport and so much time (10-11 months) spent on the season that to have your championship hopes erased by a blown engine,crash,a any little mishap in one race in the chase. I wouldn't mind testing out the points system that f1 uses. Hell or even try the old points system again but keep the points like it is(1st-43 points, 2nd 42nd and so on).NASCAR just overreacted to the decline of the attendance and ratings when they came up with the chase.
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I've gone from watching as much as possible maybe 10 years ago, to watching maybe 5 hours per season right now. The whole setup is a crock of ****, hard to take it seriously.
 
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#6,367
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If Nascar insists on doing a "playoff" here's what I think would work. You extend the "regular season" from 26 races to 32. After that you take the 5 drivers with the most wins on the condition that they are in the top 10 in points. Let them race it out over the final 4 races for the championship. In the event that 2 drivers are tied for number of wins you go to top 5 finishes to determine who makes the chase. If it's still tied you go with whoever is ahead in points at the time the chase is set.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
If Nascar insists on doing a "playoff" here's what I think would work. You extend the "regular season" from 26 races to 32. After that you take the 5 drivers with the most wins on the condition that they are in the top 10 in points. Let them race it out over the final 4 races for the championship. In the event that 2 drivers are tied for number of wins you go to top 5 finishes to determine who makes the chase. If it's still tied you go with whoever is ahead in points at the time the chase is set.
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I like the four race system you outlined. No championship should ever be decided on the results of a single race with last week at Phoenix being the perfect example. Harvick dominated, pitted, came out 2nd, caution for wreck, sprinkles then downpour. Finished 2nd. Logano totally screwed. Nascar ran half a race. Hope it doesn't happen again tonight for someone.
JMO, but Truex shouldn't be part of the final four - just one win.
 
#6,369
#6,369
My opinion of Gordon has changed over the years, and if Kyle doesn't win the championship I hope Gordon does. However I'm really getting sick listening to these guys gushing on and on about him. There are 3 other drivers running for the championship and 39 others going for the win.
 
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