The Official CoronaZoneVirus Thread

[rocytop2624]

why would a religion be against it ?

I think they see it as some sort of mark of the beast since Government and jobs are making people get it. I had a conversation with one guy and we went in circles I finally gave up. The job said you can not get it because of religion but you have to transfer to a position where you don't enter our building or facilities so in other words they are letting him know he is getting fired even with religious exemptions .

 

[rocytop2624]

I’m ok with a company decision. That’s their decision to make. If it’s government forced then **** that

Government is pushing on some companies especially big companies to get there employees vaccinated our else. Thing is Biden at first and other Dems said they can't make people or businesses get vaccinated but now they are .

 

[rocytop2624]

You’re all good squirrelly. This is just something I can’t find humor in. It’s shown me how awful (and dumb) people are.

In good news, I’ve only got two more days till isolation freedom!

hope you’re feeling better soon buddy

It's weird when I talk to someone that is refusing the vaccine and they are going to get fired because there is a loop hole on the religious exemptions it makes me mad I am just thinking get the shot dummy but I still don't think a job should force a vaccine on people. The other weird thing is when I talk to someone that says you should get the shot that makes me mad also it's weird how that works. I guess I just don't like people telling me what to do but then I don't like arguing with a guy that won't get the shot and he is going to get fired and I'm like just get the shot . I started getting mad I had to change the subject with the guy.

 

[Tin Man]

Covid made them do it.
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[VolunteerHillbilly]

No, that is called *******.

It's easy to "let" people make the choices most of us agree with. Our principles of liberty are tested when people make choices that most of us disagree with. Seems like third grade civics class kinda stuff to me but I'm getting old and don't know what they've been teaching people for the past few decades.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I think they see it as some sort of mark of the beast since Government and jobs are making people get it. I had a conversation with one guy and we went in circles I finally gave up. The job said you can not get it because of religion but you have to transfer to a position where you don't enter our building or facilities so in other words they are letting him know he is getting fired even with religious exemptions .

Some people are being told that the vaccine is made with aborted baby tissue. I heard this from someone whose spouse works for a contractor at Oak Ridge who is going to be fired from a multiple six-figure job, and probably cannot be easily replaced, because he is staunch anti-abortion. I have no idea if there is any such material in any of the vaccines, or any material derived from or produced by research on such material.

 

[Behr]

Some people are being told that the vaccine is made with aborted baby tissue. I heard this from someone whose spouse works for a contractor at Oak Ridge who is going to be fired from a multiple six-figure job, and probably cannot be easily replaced, because he is staunch anti-abortion. I have no idea if there is any such material in any of the vaccines, or any material derived from or produced by research on such material.

It doesn't matter, he believes there is. But he's awful and dumb.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Government is pushing on some companies especially big companies to get there employees vaccinated our else. Thing is Biden at first and other Dems said they can't make people or businesses get vaccinated but now they are .

Yup and I put that firmly in the **** that category .

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Technically, I don't think the federal government has mandated anything for businesses that are not government contractors. It's just that the POTUS said he plans to make it a requirement for everyone with 100 or more employees and many employers are falling in line before there is any regulation or law in place. I doubt they will enact a law or regulation because it would most likely be held an unconstitutional federal exercise of state police power (health and safety) and get struck down but for now they're getting the effect they want from a lot of major employers without having to litigate.

 

[theFallGuy]

Flu shot tomorrow!

Wtf

 

[VolNExile]

I find it interesting when people lean on their own rights yet don’t seem to consider that their actions can affect others’ rights, including the right to life.

A rather stretched-out example would be if an enemy were attacking your community (or nation), and some stood on their right not to defend against the attackers, even though their help was needed to keep everyone safe. Their refusal to fight results in greater losses among the others. (Again, this is sort of an arm-waving example.) At what point does “I’ll do what I want, because it’s my right” become just selfish and, well, immoral?

During wars where the US was actually under attack by enemies (as in WWII) and there was a draft, conscientious objectors still put themselves in harm’s way, driving military ambulances and working as medics on the frontlines, for example. I don’t see that willingness to sacrifice for the greater good any more. And that’s pretty sad.

Now we just sit around and wait for somebody else to save us.

 

[VolNExile]

^^^ The comment about willingness to sacrifice for the greater good was not specifically about Covid, but in all areas of life (taxes, pollution, etc.)

 

[Behr]

I find it interesting when people lean on their own rights yet don’t seem to consider that their actions can affect others’ rights, including the right to life.

A rather stretched-out example would be if an enemy were attacking your community (or nation), and some stood on their right not to defend against the attackers, even though their help was needed to keep everyone safe. Their refusal to fight results in greater losses among the others. (Again, this is sort of an arm-waving example.) At what point does “I’ll do what I want, because it’s my right” become just selfish and, well, immoral?

During wars where the US was actually under attack by enemies (as in WWII) and there was a draft, conscientious objectors still put themselves in harm’s way, driving military ambulances and working as medics on the frontlines, for example. I don’t see that willingness to sacrifice for the greater good any more. And that’s pretty sad.

Now we just sit around and wait for somebody else to save us.

You don't think the guy Hillbilly was talking about is thinking about another greater good? Obviously he thinks killing babies is wrong and he could possibly think you're okay with it as long as you get your shot.

I do see and try to understand both sides and some arguments on both sides make me wanna puke.

 

[Behr]

I've got small bottles of hand sanitizer for sale. $50!

5* thread .

 

[VolNExile]

You don't think the guy Hillbilly was talking about is thinking about another greater good? Obviously he thinks killing babies is wrong and he could possibly think you're okay with it as long as you get your shot.

I do see and try to understand both sides and some arguments on both sides make me wanna puke.

That’s a very legitimate argument, although Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t contain aborted tissue or products derived from aborted tissue. (Added a link below.) But does he then have the additional right to work side-by-side with others, when he has a much higher risk of being infected (not yet knowing it) and infectious, including when the next variant comes roaring through?

So of course he has the right not to be vaccinated. The debate is whether he has the right to do so AND continue his day-to-day activities without regard to the increased risk to others. So maybe part of his moral stand means that he has to change his job. Just as a drafted CO 70 years ago had to become an ambulance driver or something.

I am including the links below just to add more light (and less heat.) I’m not saying “Therefore they’re fine” or “Therefore they’re immoral.” Just information.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Fact Check: Was Regeneron's COVID-19 treatment tested on cells derived from fetal tissue?

 

[Behr]

That’s a very legitimate argument, although Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t contain aborted tissue or products derived from aborted tissue. (Added a link below.) But does he then have the right to work side-by-side with others, when he has a much higher risk of being infected (not yet knowing it) and infectious, including when the next variant comes roaring through?

So of course he has the right not to be vaccinated. The debate is whether he has the right to do so AND continue his day-to-day activities without regard to the increased risk to others. So maybe part of his moral stand means that he has to change his job. Just as a drafted CO 70 years ago had to become an ambulance driver or something.

I am including the links below just to add more light (and less heat.) I’m not saying “Therefore they’re fine” or “Therefore they’re immoral.” Just information.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Fact Check: Was Regeneron's COVID-19 treatment tested on cells derived from fetal tissue?

It doesn't matter if I belive there are aborted baby tissues in it or not.

I got confused on what you were debating when you got high and mighty about the greater good.

 

[VolNExile]

It doesn't matter if I belive there are aborted baby tissues in it or not.

I got confused on what you were debating when you got high and mighty about the greater good.

I wasn’t getting high and mighty, any more than people who talk about their constitutional rights are high and mighty. It’s a discussion, for pete’s sake.

And I wasn’t talking about what you specifically believe.

 

[Behr]

I wasn’t getting high and mighty, any more than people who talk about their constitutional rights are high and mighty. It’s a discussion, for pete’s sake.

And I wasn’t talking about what you specifically believe.

I'm discussing, for Pete's sake.

It sounds high and mighty to me. People have strong feelings about abortion, I'm around them every day. I listen to what they say and I argue with them about the "ingredients" of the vaccine, but when it comes down to it, it seems pretty arrogant to dismiss their concern with "they aren't concerned with the greater good".

Anyway, I'm done with this for now, we got some Rebel butt to whoops.

 

[hmanvolfan]

That’s a very legitimate argument, although Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t contain aborted tissue or products derived from aborted tissue. (Added a link below.) But does he then have the additional right to work side-by-side with others, when he has a much higher risk of being infected (not yet knowing it) and infectious, including when the next variant comes roaring through?

So of course he has the right not to be vaccinated. The debate is whether he has the right to do so AND continue his day-to-day activities without regard to the increased risk to others. So maybe part of his moral stand means that he has to change his job. Just as a drafted CO 70 years ago had to become an ambulance driver or something.

I am including the links below just to add more light (and less heat.) I’m not saying “Therefore they’re fine” or “Therefore they’re immoral.” Just information.

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

Fact Check: Was Regeneron's COVID-19 treatment tested on cells derived from fetal tissue?

If the “others” that are worried about getting sick from an unvaccinated person all they need to do is get vaccinated and stay socially distanced from them. Worry aborted and they can merrily do they job.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Wtf

Thanks jimmy

 

[VolNExile]

If the “others” that are worried about getting sick from an unvaccinated person all they need to do is get vaccinated and stay socially distanced from them. Worry aborted and they can merrily do they job.

Not always easy to maintain social distancing on the job.

 

[volfanbill]

If the “others” that are worried about getting sick from an unvaccinated person all they need to do is get vaccinated and stay socially distanced from them. Worry aborted and they can merrily do they job.

I’m proof this isn’t reality

 

[hmanvolfan]

I’m proof this isn’t reality

So you know who gave you the virus? The “scientists” say vaccinated people can spread it.

 

[volfanbill]

So you know who gave you the virus? The “scientists” say vaccinated people can spread it.

I don’t know why you stretch everything to go somewhere it wasn’t. You can’t just get vaccinated and stay socially distant to be safe from getting infected.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don’t know why you stretch everything to go somewhere it wasn’t. You can’t just get vaccinated and stay socially distant to be safe from getting infected.

Wait, since when?

In all seriousness everyone needs to do what they think is best for themselves and go about their lives.