The Official 2nd Amendment Appreciation Thread

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GreyWolf1129 said:
Can't afford an ACOG, so with the 6933 becoming my duty and default HD weapon, the PRO moves to it. Got a Vortex 3x Spitfire for the soon-to-be "backup" AR, which is a 6721 (current duty / HD platform). 6721 #2 remains my longer range option, and mounts a Nikon 3-9x P223.

Yeah, the FSB on the 6721 leaves a "shadow" through the Vortex, but it is what it is. For me, the tough call was narrowing my HD ammo choices down when carrying both 1:7 and 1:9 barrels. Fortunately, I was already well-stocked with 62 gr SBCT/TBBC's and 69 SMK's, so good there.

I'm thinking the Mk318 will be a solid BB and SBR option moving forward. Sticking with the 69 SMK's for anything at or outside 200 yds. Like I'll ever need to make that shot, but still...
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I can't either. This was a trade for my 700p SWS. The Noveske and an ACOG

I went with the Nikon P-Tactical 3-9 for my AR-10.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Unfortunately they get lots of practice
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They actually train a lot over here, and they have been here "on call" more than once over the years. They've trained, and trained with, several Fed and some of the larger state/local agencies. Their reputation is well-earned, and they are in high demand over here. I had the privilege to watch them conduct a demo assault against a tubular target defended by "bad guys" from a local LE agency. I'm glad they're on our side.
 
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Question for the herd: My off-duty CC weapon is a Glock 30S. Only upgrades are a Pyramid trigger, extended mag release, and extended slide release. Standard "ball in a cup" sights. I like it because it's very concealable, lightweight, and the mag capacity (10 rounds, plus 13 round G21 reloads). Good there. I do not carry it with a round in the pipe; I practice "rack and go".

At home, the go-to is a Rock Island compact 1911. This one has night sights, and got a really nice tune-up when I sent it in for the sights. Very tight, and very accurate. Because of the night sights, this is my HD and "things that go bump in the night" weapon. I am not a big fan of a round in the chamber, especially on an IWB (and appendix carry) gun, so I train for rack and point with the Glock, and have done the same to this point with the RIA. Consistency and muscle memory being the key here.

But...for the Rock, I'm starting to think having a round in the pipe, and the trigger at half-cock, might be a better way to go. Easier and quicker to just thumb back to full cock if I have to roll out at 3 am, as opposed to racking the slide to get a round in battery. FYI, the Rock is also my backup handgun in my active shooter bag when I work, so...important decision here.

I'd like to hear what those of you who have experience in these matters think.

Edit: I belong to the school of thought that says "you use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle", and my AR rests at the ready on hooks inside my closet (10 feet away), so the Rock is intended to get me there.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Question for the herd: My off-duty CC weapon is a Glock 30S. Only upgrades are a Pyramid trigger, extended mag release, and extended slide release. Standard "ball in a cup" sights. I like it because it's very concealable, lightweight, and the mag capacity (10 rounds, plus 13 round G21 reloads). Good there. I do not carry it with a round in the pipe; I practice "rack and go".

At home, the go-to is a Rock Island compact 1911. This one has night sights, and got a really nice tune-up when I sent it in for the sights. Very tight, and very accurate. Because of the night sights, this is my HD and "things that go bump in the night" weapon. I am not a big fan of a round in the chamber, especially on an IWB (and appendix carry) gun, so I train for rack and point with the Glock, and have done the same to this point with the RIA. Consistency and muscle memory being the key here.

But...for the Rock, I'm starting to think having a round in the pipe, and the trigger at half-cock, might be a better way to go. Easier and quicker to just thumb back to full cock if I have to roll out at 3 am, as opposed to racking the slide to get a round in battery. FYI, the Rock is also my backup handgun in my active shooter bag when I work, so...important decision here.

I'd like to hear what those of you who have experience in these matters think.

Edit: I belong to the school of thought that says "you use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle", and my AR rests at the ready on hooks inside my closet (10 feet away), so the Rock is intended to get me there.
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If you're not comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber you might need to reevaluate what you're carrying. Maybe a revolver or da/sa pistol with a decocker, something from the cz 75 line or sig 226. I typically carry appendix and like most people was a little nervous with a firearm cocked and locked pointed at my junk/femoral artery. I've carried a ruger sp101, sig 938, glock 19, and cz p-01. I got rid of the glock because it's too easy to have a negligent discharge re-holstering and i just don't like striker fired pistols or its ergos. With the sig im very conscious about checking the safety before holstering it. Im most comfortable with ruger or cz because you can place a thumb on the hammer while holstering and feel if anything were to push on the trigger and begin activating the hammer. On your 1911 i would be more inclined to rely on the safety than manually decocking with a round in the chamber. I don't wanna sound like a fanboy, but I can't say enough good things about the cz its my favorite handgun by far. If i recall your a .45 guy, check out their 97 BD model.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Question for the herd: My off-duty CC weapon is a Glock 30S. Only upgrades are a Pyramid trigger, extended mag release, and extended slide release. Standard "ball in a cup" sights. I like it because it's very concealable, lightweight, and the mag capacity (10 rounds, plus 13 round G21 reloads). Good there. I do not carry it with a round in the pipe; I practice "rack and go".

At home, the go-to is a Rock Island compact 1911. This one has night sights, and got a really nice tune-up when I sent it in for the sights. Very tight, and very accurate. Because of the night sights, this is my HD and "things that go bump in the night" weapon. I am not a big fan of a round in the chamber, especially on an IWB (and appendix carry) gun, so I train for rack and point with the Glock, and have done the same to this point with the RIA. Consistency and muscle memory being the key here.

But...for the Rock, I'm starting to think having a round in the pipe, and the trigger at half-cock, might be a better way to go. Easier and quicker to just thumb back to full cock if I have to roll out at 3 am, as opposed to racking the slide to get a round in battery. FYI, the Rock is also my backup handgun in my active shooter bag when I work, so...important decision here.

I'd like to hear what those of you who have experience in these matters think.

Edit: I belong to the school of thought that says "you use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle", and my AR rests at the ready on hooks inside my closet (10 feet away), so the Rock is intended to get me there.
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That's a really bad idea.

Lock your pistols in the safe until you have the confidence and training to carry them the way they were meant to be carried.
 
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BennesseeVols said:
If you're not comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber you might need to reevaluate what you're carrying. Maybe a revolver or da/sa pistol with a decocker, something from the cz 75 line or sig 226. I typically carry appendix and like most people was a little nervous with a firearm cocked and locked pointed at my junk/femoral artery. I've carried a ruger sp101, sig 938, glock 19, and cz p-01. I got rid of the glock because it's too easy to have a negligent discharge re-holstering and i just don't like striker fired pistols or its ergos. With the sig im very conscious about checking the safety before holstering it. Im most comfortable with ruger or cz because you can place a thumb on the hammer while holstering and feel if anything were to push on the trigger and begin activating the hammer. On your 1911 i would be more inclined to rely on the safety than manually decocking with a round in the chamber. I don't wanna sound like a fanboy, but I can't say enough good things about the cz its my favorite handgun by far. If i recall your a .45 guy, check out their 97 BD model.
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Appreciate the feedback. We have a lot of common ground. I used to carry a Ruger SP101 as a backup gun, in an ankle holster. As you're aware, there's no way you forget about that gun being on your ankle.

Glock. In 2006, I took a 230 HP from my duty weapon (Glock 21C) through my boot, and my middle toe, when holstering up after arresting a resistive armed robbery suspect. Thanks to God's good grace, and a brilliant ortho surgeon, I managed to come out of it with all 10 toes, although the middle one sits at a funny angle. Reconstruction of the AD established that the outer snap of my Uncle Mike's Level II holster went inside the trigger guard, and voila', that "Glock safe action trigger" proved useless. I'm not a big fan of any gun that doesn't have a positive safety, but my love for the simplicity and reliability of the Glock system led me to a 30S when I needed a reliable CC weapon. I know...I'm a dinosaur...but I just can't make myself buy anything other than a .45 for me. Upper Management has a beautiful S&W .38 with Crimson Trace grips.

So, learn (practice, condition) to draw & rack with the Glock. Testing that -vs- round in the pipe, I'm less than 1/2 a second slower with first round downrange on a PAC timer. Because of the Glock, I used the same philosophy with the Rock, although I am completely comfortable with a round in the pipe and half-cock on the 1911 system / safeties. If memory serves, is this not called "Condition 2" on a 1911?

I shot a CZ 75 years ago, and absolutely loved it, so yes...I'll go look at the 97 BD.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep safe out there.
 
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txbo said:
That's a really bad idea.

Lock your pistols in the safe until you have the confidence and training to carry them the way they were meant to be carried.
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Appreciate the feedback, and not trying to be argumentive here, but...

I have, and still do, qualify with both guns as backups...as I carry them...on a timed range with scoring standards. Granted, the GA backup gun qualifying course will not get you ready for an IPSC match, but likewise nor does punching holes in a stationary paper target prepare you for engaging an armed, moving felon in the dark when your stress level is so high you would have trouble zipping your pants. I can attest to the second part. So I practice the way I carry, and it is what it is. I wish I had or devoted more time to those survival skills, but...

So where do you stand on round in battery and half-cock? If I didn't value your opinion, I wouldn't ask.

Keep safe.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Appreciate the feedback. We have a lot of common ground. I used to carry a Ruger SP101 as a backup gun, in an ankle holster. As you're aware, there's no way you forget about that gun being on your ankle.

Glock. In 2006, I took a 230 HP from my duty weapon (Glock 21C) through my boot, and my middle toe, when holstering up after arresting a resistive armed robbery suspect. Thanks to God's good grace, and a brilliant ortho surgeon, I managed to come out of it with all 10 toes, although the middle one sits at a funny angle. Reconstruction of the AD established that the outer snap of my Uncle Mike's Level II holster went inside the trigger guard, and voila', that "Glock safe action trigger" proved useless. I'm not a big fan of any gun that doesn't have a positive safety, but my love for the simplicity and reliability of the Glock system led me to a 30S when I needed a reliable CC weapon. I know...I'm a dinosaur...but I just can't make myself buy anything other than a .45 for me. Upper Management has a beautiful S&W .38 with Crimson Trace grips.

So, learn (practice, condition) to draw & rack with the Glock. Testing that -vs- round in the pipe, I'm less than 1/2 a second slower with first round downrange on a PAC timer. Because of the Glock, I used the same philosophy with the Rock, although I am completely comfortable with a round in the pipe and half-cock on the 1911 system / safeties. If memory serves, is this not called "Condition 2" on a 1911?

I shot a CZ 75 years ago, and absolutely loved it, so yes...I'll go look at the 97 BD.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep safe out there.
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That sp101 is a chunk of metal for sure. Yep thats condition 2 which is regarded as unsafe for the fact that that you have to drop the hammer and catch it every time you put it in condition 2. A lot of the cz's as well as the sig 226 have a decocker to avoid the inherent danger of having to catch the hammer with a round in the chamber. Yeah uncle Mike's stuff sucks. Quality kydex is the only way to go for iwb carry. Check out anr design, legacy firearms co, t-rex arms for a good kydex holster. lots of others too, but also lots of not so great
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Appreciate the feedback, and not trying to be argumentive here, but...

I have, and still do, qualify with both guns as backups...as I carry them...on a timed range with scoring standards. Granted, the GA backup gun qualifying course will not get you ready for an IPSC match, but likewise nor does punching holes in a stationary paper target prepare you for engaging an armed, moving felon in the dark when your stress level is so high you would have trouble zipping your pants. I can attest to the second part. So I practice the way I carry, and it is what it is. I wish I had or devoted more time to those survival skills, but...

So where do you stand on round in battery and half-cock? If I didn't value your opinion, I wouldn't ask.

Keep safe.
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I don't know much about RI. We have an SR1911 and a Colt Defender. I have no problem keeping either one cocked and locked. Both have the palm and thumb safeties, of course. The Defender has a firing pin block and the Ruger claims to have a heavy enough pin in it that it's not going to enter the chamber if it gets knocked off a table or something. I'm sure RI has some internal/passive safety features too. Basically, I have to do three things to make a 1911 go BANG and there is no more likelihood of accidental discharge than with a striker-fired pistol. The application that you describe, a 'nightstand' weapon to get to something else, it seems like the ease with which you can depress the thumb safety and pull the trigger on a 1911 would make it preferable to that long trigger pull on a striker-fired pistol that would give a lot of people, me included, time to freeze up under stress. I know from your posts that you know a lot more about this than I every will but that's my two cents.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Appreciate the feedback. We have a lot of common ground. I used to carry a Ruger SP101 as a backup gun, in an ankle holster. As you're aware, there's no way you forget about that gun being on your ankle.

Glock. In 2006, I took a 230 HP from my duty weapon (Glock 21C) through my boot, and my middle toe, when holstering up after arresting a resistive armed robbery suspect. Thanks to God's good grace, and a brilliant ortho surgeon, I managed to come out of it with all 10 toes, although the middle one sits at a funny angle. Reconstruction of the AD established that the outer snap of my Uncle Mike's Level II holster went inside the trigger guard, and voila', that "Glock safe action trigger" proved useless. I'm not a big fan of any gun that doesn't have a positive safety, but my love for the simplicity and reliability of the Glock system led me to a 30S when I needed a reliable CC weapon. I know...I'm a dinosaur...but I just can't make myself buy anything other than a .45 for me. Upper Management has a beautiful S&W .38 with Crimson Trace grips.

So, learn (practice, condition) to draw & rack with the Glock. Testing that -vs- round in the pipe, I'm less than 1/2 a second slower with first round downrange on a PAC timer. Because of the Glock, I used the same philosophy with the Rock, although I am completely comfortable with a round in the pipe and half-cock on the 1911 system / safeties. If memory serves, is this not called "Condition 2" on a 1911?

I shot a CZ 75 years ago, and absolutely loved it, so yes...I'll go look at the 97 BD.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep safe out there.
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I used to be a 45 guy too. All I carry now is 9mm

IMO, CCing without a round in the chamber is silly. If it comes to using it, I want the least problems when I want it to go bang. Obviously whichever way you decide, train that way.

On another note, as the saying goes, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, so it may be too late for you 🤣
 
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YankeeVol said:
I used to be a 45 guy too. All I carry now is 9mm

IMO, CCing without a round in the chamber is silly. If it comes to using it, I want the least problems when I want it to go bang. Obviously whichever way you decide, train that way.

On another note, as the saying goes, you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, so it may be too late for you 🤣
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Yeah, probably is, YV. Train how you plan to fight.

Staying where I am on the Glock. Cocked and locked on the RIA.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Appreciate the feedback, and not trying to be argumentive here, but...

I have, and still do, qualify with both guns as backups...as I carry them...on a timed range with scoring standards. Granted, the GA backup gun qualifying course will not get you ready for an IPSC match, but likewise nor does punching holes in a stationary paper target prepare you for engaging an armed, moving felon in the dark when your stress level is so high you would have trouble zipping your pants. I can attest to the second part. So I practice the way I carry, and it is what it is. I wish I had or devoted more time to those survival skills, but...

So where do you stand on round in battery and half-cock? If I didn't value your opinion, I wouldn't ask.

Keep safe.
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Why would you engage and armed felon with your pants unzipped?
 
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