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Wonder why Barnes has been struggling with recruiting this year?

And no, this isn’t me bashing the guy. Just seems like we’re having a down year when it comes to landing the top dogs.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Wonder why Barnes has been struggling with recruiting this year?

And no, this isn’t me bashing the guy. Just seems like we’re having a down year when it comes to landing the top dogs.
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Compare this year to last year at this time, yet we ended up with a Top 5 class.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Wonder why Barnes has been struggling with recruiting this year?

And no, this isn’t me bashing the guy. Just seems like we’re having a down year when it comes to landing the top dogs.
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BTO wants to immediately squash the notion, but according to Basilio (as always, take with a grain of salt), Tennessee was caught flat-footed with their preparedness and response to the NIL legislation, and the timing seemed to coincide with several kids that we seemed to have the lead on stepping back and re-evaluating. And suddenly, they start taking other visits, slowing their recruitment, and entertaining offers from other schools, to the point that Tennessee no longer lead for them, and in fact, at least from a national perspective, it seemed like we trailed for them. Guys like Cason Wallace and Dillon Mitchell immediately come to mind.

Now, it is certainly possible that the timing of all that was entirely coincidental, and Basilio is blowing smoke. But it seems plausible enough that I won't just flat out dismiss it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
BTO wants to immediately squash the notion, but according to Basilio (as always, take with a grain of salt), Tennessee was caught flat-footed with their preparedness and response to the NIL legislation, and the timing seemed to coincide with several kids that we seemed to have the lead on stepping back and re-evaluating. And suddenly, they start taking other visits, slowing their recruitment, and entertaining offers from other schools, to the point that Tennessee no longer lead for them, and in fact, at least from a national perspective, it seemed like we trailed for them. Guys like Cason Wallace and Dillon Mitchell immediately come to mind.

Now, it is certainly possible that the timing of all that was entirely coincidental, and Basilio is blowing smoke. But it seems plausible enough that I won't just flat out dismiss it.
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How much of that is the coach’s responsibility?
 
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cncchris33 said:
BTO wants to immediately squash the notion, but according to Basilio (as always, take with a grain of salt), Tennessee was caught flat-footed with their preparedness and response to the NIL legislation, and the timing seemed to coincide with several kids that we seemed to have the lead on stepping back and re-evaluating. And suddenly, they start taking other visits, slowing their recruitment, and entertaining offers from other schools, to the point that Tennessee no longer lead for them, and in fact, at least from a national perspective, it seemed like we trailed for them. Guys like Cason Wallace and Dillon Mitchell immediately come to mind.

Now, it is certainly possible that the timing of all that was entirely coincidental, and Basilio is blowing smoke. But it seems plausible enough that I won't just flat out dismiss it.
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Or could it be Wallace was hoping/waiting for a UK offer which was/is a game changer? And Mitchell was said to be favoring FSU pretty much the whole time?

Why did we miss on Banchero? Jabari Smith? Harrison Ingram? When you are recruiting Top 25 players as a program like Tennessee you aren’t going to bat 100%, even Kentucky/Duke don’t but they’re going to hit on a much better % than we do.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Or could it be Wallace was hoping/waiting for a UK offer which was/is a game changer? And Mitchell was said to be favoring FSU pretty much the whole time?

Why did we miss on Banchero? Jabari Smith? Harrison Ingram? When you are recruiting Top 25 players as a program like Tennessee you aren’t going to bat 100%, even Kentucky/Duke don’t but they’re going to hit on a much better % than we do.
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Again, I'm not saying it CAN'T be those things. I'm just saying that the alleged lack of NIL preparation COULD have been an issue, if true. And, again...I'm not saying it's true or that Basilio is to be believed. If it is true, though, the timeline aligns with those two players, specifically, stepping back and reassessing their recruitments.

The difference between your stance and mine is that yours is absolute while mine is fluid.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Again, I'm not saying it CAN'T be those things. I'm just saying that the alleged lack of NIL preparation COULD have been an issue, if true. And, again...I'm not saying it's true or that Basilio is to be believed. If it is true, though, the timeline aligns with those two players, specifically, stepping back and reassessing their recruitments.

The difference between your stance and mine is that yours is absolute while mine is fluid.
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It doesn’t align with either actually…NIL came out 7/1/21 and Wallace was still all Vol, it was 3 weeks later when UK offered that talk of him slowing down his recruitment came about…so which of those things aligns more? NIL release or UK offer?

As for Mitchell, he visited 6/29 and Russ Wood was on VQ saying he was FSU bound on 7/1.

I just don’t feel it’s likely, I suppose we could also say it’s because of COVID restrictions in Tennessee being softer so folks are turned off? Or that Dollywood raised their prices and that upset some ppl? Or that Wild Wings closed down and is now Daddy Macs? Makes about as much sense to me.

Like I said earlier in this thread, we missed on top guys last year as well when NIL wasn’t a factor, that’s going to happen when you’re recruiting against the school we are going against. The staff still did a great job of assembling a very nice 2021 class and utilizing both the transfer portal and reclassification of guys.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Wonder why Barnes has been struggling with recruiting this year?

And no, this isn’t me bashing the guy. Just seems like we’re having a down year when it comes to landing the top dogs.
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1) Two new assistant coaches

2) At Tennessee it’s hard to have top 5 classes consistently.

3) Other than Fulkerson and Chandler we aren’t really losing anyone with significant PT (Bailey can come back) so playing time isn’t as available as the last couple of years
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It doesn’t align with either actually…NIL came out 7/1/21 and Wallace was still all Vol, it was 3 weeks later when UK offered that talk of him slowing down his recruitment came about…so which of those things aligns more? NIL release or UK offer?

As for Mitchell, he visited 6/29 and Russ Wood was on VQ saying he was FSU bound on 7/1.

I just don’t feel it’s likely, I suppose we could also say it’s because of COVID restrictions in Tennessee being softer so folks are turned off? Or that Dollywood raised their prices and that upset some ppl? Or that Wild Wings closed down and is now Daddy Macs? Makes about as much sense to me.

Like I said earlier in this thread, we missed on top guys last year as well when NIL wasn’t a factor, that’s going to happen when you’re recruiting against the school we are going against. The staff still did a great job of assembling a very nice 2021 class and utilizing both the transfer portal and reclassification of guys.
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So you're telling me it isn't possible that once NIL became a thing on 7/1, that Wallace didn't like the plan in place over the next several weeks?

I'm not getting drawn into a multi-page argument with you over something neither one of us can prove. I'll simply re-state my earlier claim that it COULD have been an issue. You disagree and leave, seemingly, no room for potential. That's fine. Like I said, before, your opinion is absolute and mine is fluid.
 
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zjcvols said:
The other thing is the 2021 class is huge. Chandler and BHH are the only one and done and guys. Then you have five guys that are projected 2-4 year players in Q, Aidoo, Mashack, Tamba and ZZ. There just isn’t a lot of room either
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Unless BHH just pops off, which definitely could happen, I think he stays 2 years
 
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cncchris33 said:
So you're telling me it isn't possible that once NIL became a thing on 7/1, that Wallace didn't like the plan in place over the next several weeks?

I'm not getting drawn into a multi-page argument with you over something neither one of us can prove. I'll simply re-state my earlier claim that it COULD have been an issue. You disagree and leave, seemingly, no room for potential. That's fine. Like I said, before, your opinion is absolute and mine is fluid.
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Well the talk into early July was that Tennessee had all the momentum and could be headed for a commitment, UK offered and all that changed…if you wanna say that was because of NIL from 3 weeks prior and not the UK offer from the day before then go ahead, I strongly disagree.
 
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