The Jarrett Guarantano hate

[zjcvols]

I'm not absolving him of blame but I'm sure he hoped that surrounding JG with Chaney, Weinke, and Tee would make a big difference. You can see the physical talent. It must be frustrating for a coach when that much talent just can't translate to the field.

IMHO, the fate of his career as UT's HC rides on making a wise and bold decision to change QB's. If one of your Fr QB's are making mistakes... if you have to coach around a weakness they have until they improve... that's understandable. But if a guy in his 4th year still can't make reads and decisions accurately and quickly then a coach's job is to see it and make the change.


What we've "heard" about the back ups?

I'm not sure what you're talking about but I would question if either of them has reached their ceiling or not. Given an opportunity, could one develop given some playing time? One of JG's biggest issues is that he doesn't "anticipate" throws well. After the first two games, I'm not even sure he processes fast enough to get to that point... but anyway even last year Pruitt said that Shrout may have been "anticipating throws" better than JG or Chryst. Maurer is definitely raw but he showed some really good instincts in the O&W game and has talent you can build on.

If JG is "the guy"... there's not a sure win left on UT's schedule including next week. He just limits the O too much.

That neither one has impressed and that neither has won the backup job. Did you see what Pruitt said about them last week before Georgia State? That neither had separated themselves. I don’t think that’s a good sign at all.

 

[zjcvols]

Obviously Pruitt isn't the answer either

That’s basically my point lol. We have much bigger issues than JG.

 

[sjt18]

Obviously Pruitt isn't the answer either

I haven't seen quite enough of Pruitt to say that. I've seen more than enough of JG to recognize he's not the answer.

Swap QB's tonight... and UT wins by 3 scores.

 

[joevol33]

I haven't seen quite enough of Pruitt to say that. I've seen more than enough of JG to recognize he's not the answer.

Swap QB's tonight... and UT wins by 3 scores.

I think he'll stick with him because he doesn't know what to do, and it'll cost his job.

 

[DaddyChad]

It dumbfounds me to read all of this hate over a kid. First, this is a kid. He may legally and technically be a man but still, he is just a kid. Not only that, but he is doing something productive such as going to college to get an education and, though I don't know anything about his or his parents financial abilities, football is providing an avenue for him to do so. Just how many of you negative posters actually have an investment into the University such as a degree, donor, booster or played football for the University? Or, are you just a fan? Second, I remember reading on this forum several years ago how many of you thought he was going to be the next biggest thing since Peyton. Third, and to me most importantly, how many of you haters have or could be an SEC starting QB? Even with as bad of a team as we currently have, how many of you posters that continuously dog him out could even make the team as a walk on much less supplant him as the starting QB?

Granted, there may be more or other options at QB but most of the posters on here are personally attacking a kid. Now, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but what is wrong with ya'll?

Kid sucks at being a QB in major college football. People don’t hate him, not really. They just realize their team isn’t going to win with him playing.

 

[joevol33]

That’s basically my point lol. We have much bigger issues than JG.

I believe pruitt will be here snother year at least.

 

[zjcvols]

I haven't seen quite enough of Pruitt to say that. I've seen more than enough of JG to recognize he's not the answer.

Swap QB's tonight... and UT wins by 3 scores.

He’s 5-9, gotten blown out by 25 points at least five times, lost to Georgia State, and got his ass kicked by Vandy. What else do you need?

 

[zjcvols]

I believe pruitt will be here snother year at least.

Tennessee=always one year too late

 

[sjt18]

That neither one has impressed and that neither has won the backup job. Did you see what Pruitt said about them last week before Georgia State? That neither had separated themselves. I don’t think that’s a good sign at all.

So if two runners were striving to beat each other.... that means both must be slow? It could just as easily mean they're both fast. You are reading something into that competition and statement that simply isn't there.

It is frustrating to me but that seems to be the case with the OL also. The OL overall did a pretty good job in the BYU game. But they'd be better if they would choose 5 plus two and go with them. They're playing too many guys. I suspect it is to ease the two young guys in.... but it just isn't helping.

Indecision is hurting Pruitt and his team.

 

[sjt18]

He’s 5-9, gotten blown out by 25 points at least five times, lost to Georgia State, and got his ass kicked by Vandy. What else do you need?

I want to see if he has the courage to make the right personnel moves to save himself. I am not ready to blame him completely for the mess he inherited.

I wouldn't have said this previously but if he doesn't make a change at QB... I'm not sure he sees a year 3.

 

[LucidZ]

I don't hate him as a person...but I just really don't like him as a QB. I think we have better younger talent at that position that aren't being used.

 

[zjcvols]

So if two runners were striving to beat each other.... that means both must be slow? It could just as easily mean they're both fast. You are reading something into that competition and statement that simply isn't there.

It is frustrating to me but that seems to be the case with the OL also. The OL overall did a pretty good job in the BYU game. But they'd be better if they would choose 5 plus two and go with them. They're playing too many guys. I suspect it is to ease the two young guys in.... but it just isn't helping.

Indecision is hurting Pruitt and his team.

What’s the more likely scenario:

Shrout and Mauer (neither highly ranked BTW) are better than JG and Pruitt can’t see that and is so tantalized by his talent he is going to run him out there even though he’s on the hot seat.

Or

That neither guy is as good as JG and Pruitt knows JG is his best shot to win. That even as ****** as JG played tonight he knew Shrout or Mauer wouldn’t have fixed it.

 

[zjcvols]

I want to see if he has the courage to make the right personnel moves to save himself. I am not ready to blame him completely for the mess he inherited.

I wouldn't have said this previously but if he doesn't make a change at QB... I'm not sure he sees a year 3.

The issue isn’t personnel man. Personnel issues are not able to compete with Georgia/Florida/Alabama.

Losing to Georgia State and a woeful BYU team? That ain’t a personnel issue. It’s a coach issue.

 

[zjcvols]

I’ve heard the same thing going on 11 years now:

2008: “It’s Crompton he’s terrible man! Stephens can’t be worse than him!” Didn’t fix anything.

2011: “Matt Simms is terrible! You have to play Worley till Bray comes back!” Didn’t fix anything.

2013: “Justin Worley is terrible! You have to play Peterman or Dobbs over him!” Didn’t fix anything.

2017: “Dormady is terrible! You have to play JG over him!” Didn’t fix anything.

It’s turns it out it’s almost always on the coaching.

The only time a more talented guy played over the starting QB was 2014 when Dobbs was better than Worley and that was because they were trying to give Dobbs a redshirt year.

 

[sjt18]

The issue isn’t personnel man. Personnel issues are not able to compete with Georgia/Florida/Alabama.

Losing to Georgia State and a woeful BYU team? That ain’t a personnel issue. It’s a coach issue.

If the choice at this point is between a staff with multiple NC's, conference championships, and great players or a QB who has proven repeatedly that he can't get it done and young players who are making too many mistakes... I stick with it being a player issue. If nothing happens and guys don't improve by the end of the season... then I might agree with you.

But UT just lost two games that they would have won with even "good" QB play. Jones and his staff coached to stay low risk with JG's decision making in the hopes he would come around. Helton did the same. Chaney tried to stretch him but it appears way too apparent that JG just can't do it.

IMHO, Pruitt's call on his starting QB right now will determine his fate. If the other two really and truly cannot do better given playing time.... then Pruitt is screwed.

 

[DaddyChad]

I’ve heard the same thing going on 11 years now:

2008: “It’s Crompton he’s terrible man! Stephens can’t be worse than him!” Didn’t fix anything.

2011: “Matt Simms is terrible! You have to play Worley till Bray comes back!” Didn’t fix anything.

2013: “Justin Worley is terrible! You have to play Peterman or Dobbs over him!” Didn’t fix anything.

2017: “Dormady is terrible! You have to play JG over him!” Didn’t fix anything.

It’s turns it out it’s almost always on the coaching.

The only time a more talented guy played over the starting QB was 2014 when Dobbs was better than Worley and that was because they were trying to give Dobbs a redshirt year.

Sims started over Bray and Worley started over Dobbs. Both Bray and Dobbs were infinitely better than the other two.

 

[sjt18]

I’ve heard the same thing going on 11 years now:

2008: “It’s Crompton he’s terrible man! Stephens can’t be worse than him!” Didn’t fix anything.

2011: “Matt Simms is terrible! You have to play Worley till Bray comes back!” Didn’t fix anything.

2013: “Justin Worley is terrible! You have to play Peterman or Dobbs over him!” Didn’t fix anything.

2017: “Dormady is terrible! You have to play JG over him!” Didn’t fix anything.

It’s turns it out it’s almost always on the coaching.

The only time a more talented guy played over the starting QB was 2014 when Dobbs was better than Worley and that was because they were trying to give Dobbs a redshirt year.

If you don't believe JG is BADLY limiting the offense right now... I'm not sure how to help you.

What "helped" Crompton is that Chaney worked with him on his decision making. He improved... a lot. He's now tried the same with JG. He has not improved. He's just been exposed more.

Matt Simms was terrible btw.

Dormady v JG... basically proves that Jones sucked at recruiting QB's.

 

[zjcvols]

If the choice at this point is between a staff with multiple NC's, conference championships, and great players or a QB who has proven repeatedly that he can't get it done and young players who are making too many mistakes... I stick with it being a player issue. If nothing happens and guys don't improve by the end of the season... then I might agree with you.

But UT just lost two games that they would have won with even "good" QB play. Jones and his staff coached to stay low risk with JG's decision making in the hopes he would come around. Helton did the same. Chaney tried to stretch him but it appears way too apparent that JG just can't do it.

IMHO, Pruitt's call on his starting QB right now will determine his fate. If the other two really and truly cannot do better given playing time.... then Pruitt is screwed.

Tennessee gave up 38 points to Georgia State it shouldn’t take good QB play to beat them come on man that’s just silly.

Not calling you out, because a lot of people feel this way. But let’s just call it what it is. People just want it to be all on Guarantano and not Pruitt. People want to defend Pruitt because they want to believe in him, and they hope that a QB change will somehow make Jeremy Pruitt a good coach. It’s not going to happen.

 

[zjcvols]

Sims started over Bray and Worley started over Dobbs. Both Bray and Dobbs were infinitely better than the other two.

We know why Simms started over Bray. They didn’t want him to face the meat grinder of the season with four new OL starting. That was obvious from day one.

And Worley was better than Dobbs in 2013. And Dobbs didn’t start in 2014 because they wanted to redshirt him and get an extra year out of him. Which I said.

 

[zjcvols]

If you don't believe JG is BADLY limiting the offense right now... I'm not sure how to help you.

What "helped" Crompton is that Chaney worked with him on his decision making. He improved... a lot. He's now tried the same with JG. He has not improved. He's just been exposed more.

Matt Simms was terrible btw.

Dormady v JG... basically proves that Jones sucked at recruiting QB's.

I didn’t say JG was playing well. He isn’t. What I’m saying is that the probability that Shrout or Mauer is better than him is low.

And wait, you’re making my point for me. Crompton got better coaching. In 2008 he was terrible. Why? Because COACHING.

And Dormady vs JG both sucked, well guess whose fault is that? The head coaches?

So what is the more likely scenario based off what I posted. That Shrout or Mauer will save us, or that Pruitt just ain’t the guy.

 

[sjt18]

Tennessee gave up 38 points to Georgia State it shouldn’t take good QB play to beat them come on man that’s just silly.

The first score came on a short field set up by JG. UT could not sustain drives and especially in the second half because even a team as bad as GSU knew if they could make the game about JG's decision making... they'd have a chance to win.

The D stank it up no doubt. But they performed better against a better team in BYU. JG if anything got worse with a step up in competition.

[quote[Not calling you out, because a lot of people feel this way. But let’s just call it what it is. People just want it to be all on Guarantano and not Pruitt. People want to defend Pruitt because they want to believe in him, and they hope that a QB change will somehow make Jeremy Pruitt a good coach. It’s not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
I am not ready to make a call on Pruitt yet. I'm not saying he's good or bad. I'll be more inclined to think he's not up to the job if he sticks with JG after what we've seen in these first two games.

There are LOTS of problems obviously. But the inability to sustain drives and take advantage of opportunities in the passing game is at the top of that list. The D played more than good enough to win vs BYU. The OL blocked MORE than well enough to win. The RB's ran their hearts out. The receivers got open. Your QB has to be the guy who can pull that together. JG didn't... and it does not appear that he has the ability to do it.

I don't know if either of the other two are up to it. But if a guy is going to play mentally like a Fr.... then you might as well play a Fr.

 

[nomads-11]

It dumbfounds me to read all of this hate over a kid. First, this is a kid. He may legally and technically be a man but still, he is just a kid. Not only that, but he is doing something productive such as going to college to get an education and, though I don't know anything about his or his parents financial abilities, football is providing an avenue for him to do so. Just how many of you negative posters actually have an investment into the University such as a degree, donor, booster or played football for the University? Or, are you just a fan? Second, I remember reading on this forum several years ago how many of you thought he was going to be the next biggest thing since Peyton. Third, and to me most importantly, how many of you haters have or could be an SEC starting QB? Even with as bad of a team as we currently have, how many of you posters that continuously dog him out could even make the team as a walk on much less supplant him as the starting QB?

Granted, there may be more or other options at QB but most of the posters on here are personally attacking a kid. Now, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but what is wrong with ya'll?

Really? There are idiotic responses, then we have this. I don't know who you think you're doing, but insulting people who didn't suit up ...... that's bold.

 

[zjcvols]

The first score came on a short field set up by JG. UT could not sustain drives and especially in the second half because even a team as bad as GSU knew if they could make the game about JG's decision making... they'd have a chance to win.

The D stank it up no doubt. But they performed better against a better team in BYU. JG if anything got worse with a step up in competition.

[quote[Not calling you out, because a lot of people feel this way. But let’s just call it what it is. People just want it to be all on Guarantano and not Pruitt. People want to defend Pruitt because they want to believe in him, and they hope that a QB change will somehow make Jeremy Pruitt a good coach. It’s not going to happen.

I am not ready to make a call on Pruitt yet. I'm not saying he's good or bad. I'll be more inclined to think he's not up to the job if he sticks with JG after what we've seen in these first two games.

There are LOTS of problems obviously. But the inability to sustain drives and take advantage of opportunities in the passing game is at the top of that list. The D played more than good enough to win vs BYU. The OL blocked MORE than well enough to win. The RB's ran their hearts out. The receivers got open. Your QB has to be the guy who can pull that together. JG didn't... and it does not appear that he has the ability to do it.

I don't know if either of the other two are up to it. But if a guy is going to play mentally like a Fr.... then you might as well play a Fr.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and JG, despite having a rough night, played good enough for Tennessee to win against BYU except our genius defensive staff decided to play Alontae Taylor 5 yards within the LOS. JG didn’t give up a 60 yard pass play. JG didn’t let BYU give up two easy touchdown drives in OT.

Is benching JG going to fix the problems with setting up the defense? Which, by the way, we are in year 2 of?

 

[sjt18]

I didn’t say JG was playing well. He isn’t. What I’m saying is that the probability that Shrout or Mauer is better than him is low.

If that's true... how can you cast judgment on the staff at this point? I guess you could say that they've failed to recruit a QB. But your point seems to be that they've somehow failed to coach the positions right.

And wait, you’re making my point for me. Crompton got better coaching. In 2008 he was terrible. Why? Because COACHING.

Nope. He specifically got better being coached by the guy who has not been able to do the same with JG... though Crompton was a much more difficult task. Emotionally that guy was wasted by the time Chaney got him.

And Dormady vs JG both sucked, well guess whose fault is that? The head coaches?

You do remember that the current staff had nothing to do with recruiting either one, right?

So what is the more likely scenario based off what I posted. That Shrout or Mauer will save us, or that Pruitt just ain’t the guy.

False premise leading to a fallacy of limited alternatives. Maybe neither of those guys is the answer... and maybe Pruitt with a good QB would be "the guy". Or...one of them could save "us" and cover the fact that Pruitt "ain't the guy" at least for a while.

 

[sjt18]

Even with as bad of a team as we currently have, how many of you posters that continuously dog him out could even make the team as a walk on much less supplant him as the starting QB?

Really good chance that almost none of us were born with the God given ability to throw a football well enough to play at that level.

There appears to be a very good chance that JG for whatever reason was not born with the mental ability to process information and make decisions quickly enough to play well at that level. It is difficult and disappointing. He's put the effort in. He's tough. Seems like a decent kid. But if the game hasn't slowed down by a guy's 4th year... it probably never will.