The Impeachment Thread

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Shifty uses NSA to wiretap Trump team?
Premiered Dec 23, 2019
It was only after Horowitz’s report came out that Collyer rebuked the FBI in a total CYA move. However, this entire charade is a smoke screen to draw attention away from the fact that the relevant spying on the Trump campaign and now Trump administration was occurring through NSA 702 upstream over collection; not the bogus Steele Dossier. Not only is there a rouge source of intelligence, but there is also another source of intelligence, something further in the background than the NSA, that hasn’t been made public yet. I can neither confirm nor deny that my source and the President are working through an unnamed agency to take down the Deep State. Remember when President Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex? You don’t think he may have set something else up in secret to monitor them, do you?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
There is no quantum leap involved, here. You have bounced around from (paraphrasing), “what Trump did was very cool and very legal” to “DOJ investigation would be preferable” to “if I were White House counsel, I would have advised him not to do the thing I just called preferable because it’s not a good idea.”

And, chortling aside, nothing you’ve said attempted to explain what you would have advised him to do differently. In fact, you’ve been continuously making excuses for what he did. And this post doesn’t offer an alternative, it attempts to paper over what he actually did with a bunch of demonstrably false statements. For example:

Multiple DNIs, NSC staff, and congressional committees have acknowledged that it was the consensus of the intelligence community that Russia, not Ukraine, attempted to interfere in the 2016 election.

The various statements about why the transcript was elevated to that server were made by the NSC lawyers who did it to, IIRC, Tim Morrison and Alex Vindman. If this were very cool, very legal as you initially said, why worry about it being leaked at all?

And the idea that “every president since Washington” has used private individuals to do what Giuliani has done is... unsubstantiated, at best.

So I naturally assumed that you would have advised him to do exactly what he did and your defensiveness about having your advice characterized that way makes it pretty apparent that you recognize that what he actually did is pretty messed up and needs an excuse.
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Great job regurgitating those lib talking points.

How could anyone honestly conclude that Russian interference disproves Ukrainian interference?

Think about it. There is no relationship between the two.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Laughable at best. Of course, you've made it perfectly clear you support him over the country. That's cool. It's your right
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Keep spouting that mantra. Like all the other crap that comes from the left, it won't become any more true either although you will think it does.


Have you impeached Mr Trump yet?


Didn't think so.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The statement was made by DNI and what the subject matter has nothing to do with “Russian agents.”
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The media characterized Trump as a Russian agent for 2+ years.

Can’t even admit the media and the Dems got it wrong?

It was never about “Russian interference” - we were told it was about the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to win the election. Pretty fantastic leap from one to the other.
 
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ajvol01 said:
The media characterized Trump as a Russian agent for 2+ years.

Can’t even admit the media and the Dems got it wrong?

It was never about “Russian interference” - we were told it was about the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to win the election. Pretty fantastic leap from one to the other.
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Common sense is needed here. Libs have none.
 
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Mick said:
Barr is a tool and NCFisher is a fool. The Trump Tower meeting with Russian agents , Trumps family and campaign manager to get dirt on hillary is all the justification needed. Trump perpetuates a conspiracy that Hunter was dirty and Joe "stopped" an investigation into his son is your justification into asking Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens isn't even on the same level of probable cause. You remember the horowitz report stating there was enough to justify the investigation. Is that the same Horowitz report you speak of or is there an alternative one used by Trumps most ardent supporters including Barr?
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Mick! what an ugly thing to say, and on Christmas day - tsk, tsk! But I thank you for not indulging your fixation with Trump's testicles for a change.

The Trump Tower meeting wasn't the basis for Crossfire Hurricane, and only one item on a laundry list of fantasies created by the FBI and Mueller. It is not a crime to meet with Russians, even for the purpose of getting dirt on H. Clinton. We know this because Clinton and the DNC actually paid for dirt from Russian and Ukrainian agents. I'm sure you're outraged by this treason and simply haven't had an opportunity to express it. Please take this opportunity....go! - ??

Actually, Horowitz said he didn't find “documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions". Yay! team Mick.
OTOH...he stated he was in no position to determine motive and could not rule out bias especially since the explanations for the FBI's action were not satisfactory. Because IGs are auditors and recorders, without the powers to empanel juries, compel testimony, talk to anyone outside their silo or ex-employees. Barr and Durham have no such constraints.

He also found the FBI omitted exculpatory information repeatedly, and falsified the FISC requests, which means the Carter Page warrants were applied for under false pretense. He agreed with Graham that falsifying constituted "illegal surveillance".

And dude; your rhyme is lame. You insult like a 10 year-old Jesse Jackson.
Merry Christmas!
 
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NCFisher said:
That is an incorrect and projecting characterization; I've stated Biden being a candidate doesn't shield him from scrutiny and if that scrutiny originates from Trump sounding an alarm, he can certainly do that. I've stated he cannot oversee or manage such an investigation, which he acknowledges with the three references to Barr contacting Ukraine officials. I've stated his conversation with Zelensky is not an impeachable "offense".

I stated as counsel, I'd advise him to lay off Ukraine and Burisma and let Barr and Durham do the heavy lifting; stay focused on the treacherous people within OUR government. And when scalps hang on DOJ's wall, there'll be a clear path to deep dive into Ukraine and Burisma/Biden. That Durham will be talking to Ukraine, anyway.


How you find that ambiguous?

Do you know who the 17 agencies are? Under what purview, as Mueller would say, would DEA, Coast Guard, National Geospatial, the four military branches for example, be in a position to approve the Jan. 2017 ICA? That's correct; none. The claim appears to have originated with Hillary Clinton in Oct. 2016 and simply parroted by the babbling media and elected Democrats. Clapper corrected that twice in congressional testimony. NYT retracted in June 2017, as did AP at some point. It was a idiotic claim from the outset.

Why worry about presidential conversations with world leaders being leaked or radical House factions being able to demand them? You mean aside from often being classified? Aside from the consideration that world leaders expect confidentiality in order to speak plainly to each other?
Gee, i wonder why Obama also logged his conversations with world leaders to those same "secret servers"? A practice Trump has been exercising since Feb. 2017 when, repeating myself, Resistance!asshats leaked conversations with Turnbull/AU and Nieto/MX NSusan Rice: Obama Put Call Transcripts On Top Secret Server, Too C'mon man, I can give you this stuff but I can't make you read or comprehend it.

Now you're fabricating; I didn't say "every president since Washington" - read it again:

"So, you aren't aware presidents have used non-governmental persons they trust to do exactly what Giuliani is doing - and more - since Washington." And here's one of a number of substantiations: Giuliani-Style 'Shadow' Diplomacy: Par for the Course for U.S. Presidents | RealClearInvestigations

Between what you want me to be saying and being caught up in breathless exhortations and mischaracterizations by media, radical Dems, defrocked FBI, DOJ and intel priests, you ought to be steaming at the horseshite you've been fed, instead of asking for a doggie bag.

For 3.5 years.

What does it take?
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Ambiguous? No. It’s just a terrible argument. Like I said, it’s an attempt to create a false binary choice. Either Trump gets involved or Biden gets away with it. You tried denying that that’s what you’re doing, but then you made up this laughable opinion that “now is not a good time” for DOJ to handle the Biden investigation.

Which is why I brought up the consensus of the 17 agencies:

Joint DHS, ODNI, FBI Statement on Russian Malicious Cyber Activity — FBI
Dan Coats counters Donald Trump on Russian meddling in 2016 election

So, unless you’re saying you’ve got evidence that two, maybe three directors of national intelligence were wrong, somehow do not speak for the intelligence community they oversee, or you have some alternate understanding of the word “consensus,” I’m going to continue to be amused by your arguments.

Also, did you even read that Susan Rice article? Her statement was directly contrary to what you’re saying. She’s saying the type of classification given this phone call would have been inconsistent with practices of the Obama White House. Maybe your own comprehension would improve if you stopped relying on The Federalist and Real Clear Investigations.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Ambiguous? No. It’s just a terrible argument. Like I said, it’s an attempt to create a false binary choice. Either Trump gets involved or Biden gets away with it. You tried denying that that’s what you’re doing, but then you made up this laughable opinion that “now is not a good time” for DOJ to handle the Biden investigation.

Which is why I brought up the consensus of the 17 agencies:

Joint DHS, ODNI, FBI Statement on Russian Malicious Cyber Activity — FBI
Dan Coats counters Donald Trump on Russian meddling in 2016 election

So, unless you’re saying you’ve got evidence that two, maybe three directors of national intelligence were wrong, somehow do not speak for the intelligence community they oversee, or you have some alternate understanding of the word “consensus,” I’m going to continue to be amused by your arguments.

Also, did you even read that Susan Rice article? Her statement was directly contrary to what you’re saying. She’s saying the type of classification given this phone call would have been inconsistent with practices of the Obama White House. Maybe your own comprehension would improve if you stopped relying on The Federalist and Real Clear Investigations.
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I never made it a binary choice, you assumed it and still do. I never ruled out congress or another party launching an investigation, but the press has shown no interest, nor Congress. Until now; now we hear about because the left can't ignore it. Again, if Trump is the one to bring attention to it, I'm fine with that.

No, I made the statement as counsel, I'd have Trump back out of Ukraine and Burisma/Biden. let DOJ do their job - which encompasses Ukraine and may later envelop Biden. That he has larger fish in the fryer. That you still don't get it, is "amusing".

The directors can speak for anyone under them, but to imply Coast Guard and Geospatial, for example, contributed to and were in a position to approve the ICA is an "amusing", unnecessary exaggeration, and a lie. How many times does Clapper have to say "just three agencies"?

Trump was wrong to publicly doubt it was Russia, EVEN WHILE those same agencies, CIA, DNS, FBI and DOJ were two years into a campaign to throw him under the bus. When government agencies attempt to destroy your life, unwarranted, you can come tell us how understanding you are about it and what trustworthy, great fkn people they are.

I comprehend fine. Rice was claiming nefarious motivation to Trump's use of the "secret servers", and his entire presidency. She is attempting to excuse the leaking of Trumps CLASSIFIED conversations with the leftist qualifier "these are not normal times". Federalist dispassionately lays out both sides, links the Rice video (for crying out loud), and references ABC reporting that Trump has been doing so since 1st quarter of his term due to these CLASSIFIED leaks. RCI was similarly dispassionate and factual. In fact, you don't attempt to refute a thing they say; why is that? It must be "Faux News" or some other lame slur since you were unaware it it, huh?

I reference media when they get it right; to dispel your "17 agencies" for example. Should I not rely on NYT, either? So, don't be a putz trying to dismiss factual reporting until you actually rebut the argument or reporting.

The entirely of left wing media got nothing right for 3.5 years now. In fact, the only people who got it right were the Federalist and RCI types, Nunes memos, and even Fox News. Digest this; Sean Hannity was right while NYT, WaPo, and half a dozen 'news' networks floundered in biased, outcome-based reporting agenda; Fox News as a whole, kicked their collective, Marxist asses. And are still the only ones getting it right, as left wing coverage of Horowitz's report and impeachment shows us.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Shifty uses NSA to wiretap Trump team?
Premiered Dec 23, 2019
It was only after Horowitz’s report came out that Collyer rebuked the FBI in a total CYA move. However, this entire charade is a smoke screen to draw attention away from the fact that the relevant spying on the Trump campaign and now Trump administration was occurring through NSA 702 upstream over collection; not the bogus Steele Dossier. Not only is there a rouge source of intelligence, but there is also another source of intelligence, something further in the background than the NSA, that hasn’t been made public yet. I can neither confirm nor deny that my source and the President are working through an unnamed agency to take down the Deep State. Remember when President Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex? You don’t think he may have set something else up in secret to monitor them, do you?
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What is that in the back ground? A flat Earth?
 
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