The Impeachment Thread

[USAFgolferVol]

Then you were born after 2000.

No president in any of our lifetimes has been accused - without ANY basis - of being a traitor/treasonous, by FBI, Intel, DOJ, Democrats, media.
Without ANY basis. Then when they can't hang him for being a horse thief, attempt to hang him for trying to avoid being hanged for it.
Not one president in your lifetime has had that treacherous cadre attempt to destroy him, his family, admin members, associates while also - without ANY basis - calling him racist, white supremacist, and perhaps the funniest, antisemitic. My God, the aid and comfort he and Ben Shapiro have given to antisemites and neo-Nazis! You can't make this up, but the left did.

The hell with his poor behavior. I didn't vote for him (or Clinton) either, but will cheerfully do so in 2020. He is the perfect villain-hero for this specific moment in time. These bastids need to be kicked in the teeth and staked in the sun to dessicate.

Wrong. I'm likely older than you. And just stop it. There's plenty of basis for investigating Trump.

 

[vols40]

As I have mentioned many times here, the investigation into Burisma Holdings had gone dormant at the time Viktor Shokin was fired. Shokin wasn't fired for prosecuting corruption. He was fired because he WASN'T prosecuting corruption. It's a decision that the entire European Union was in favor of.

Also, it is naive to think that Trump and Giuliani were trying to damage Joe Biden politically, for any other reason than they find him to be the biggest threat among the Democratic Primary field of candidates.

So if this is true then the Biden Ukraine situation has not been debunked?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Attention Democrats...
National polls mean squat. Check Crooked Hillary in 16. Trump will get to 270 again and the Dems will cry foul and blame someone else for their loss. It's the blue print laid out by Algore in 2000. Is Stacy Abrams still looking for votes in GA?

That is just wrong. For one thing, the national polls weren't off in 2016. They had Hillary Clinton between 48-50% (she received 48.5% of the popular vote) and they had Trump between 45-46% (he received 46.2% of the popular vote). Now, some individual state polls were off (most notably Michigan). You can point to one time when the polls were off... I can point to several more elections when they weren't. Nate Silver of 538, in particular, is pretty good at predicting general elections. I would always rather have the polls on the side of my preferred candidate, than against. They will be right, more than they will be wrong.

 

[NCFisher]

Per Reuter's:

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Minister of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

"Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bueau's) investigation," the bureau's statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma's board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.

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In other words, the investigation currently underway would not involve Hunter Biden.

You can read the link Responding to Lt. Col. Vindman about my Ukraine columns … with the facts | John Solomon Reports yourself, I'm posting the first 2/3rds; follow the dates to see how they contradict Reuters:

Fact 1: Hunter Biden was hired in May 2014 by Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural gas company, at a time when his father Joe Biden was Vice President and overseeing US-Ukraine Policy. Here is the announcement. Hunter Biden’s hiring came just a few short weeks after Joe Biden urged Ukraine to expand natural gas production and use Americans to help. You can read his comments to the Ukrainian prime minister here. Hunter Biden’s firm then began receiving monthly payments totaling $166,666. You can see those payments here.

Fact 2: Burisma was under investigation by British authorities for corruption and soon came under investigation by Ukrainian authorities led by Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

Fact 3: Vice President Joe Biden and his office were alerted by a December 2015 New York Times article that Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma and that Hunter Biden’s role at the company was undercutting his father’s anticorruption efforts in Ukraine.

Fact 4: The Biden-Burisma issue created the appearance of a conflict of interest, especially for State Department officials. I especially refer you to State official George Kent’s testimony here. He testified he viewed Burisma as corrupt and the Bidens as creating the perception of a conflict of interest. His concerns both caused him to contact the vice president’s office and to block a project that State’s USAID agency was planning with Burisma in 2016. In addition, Ambassador Yovanovitch testified she, too, saw the Bidens-Burisma connection as creating the appearance of a conflict of interest. You can read her testimony here.

Fact 5: The Obama White House invited Shokin’s prosecutorial team to Washington for meetings in January 2016 to discuss their anticorruption investigations. You can read about that here. Also, here is the official agenda for that meeting in Ukraine and English. I call your attention to the NSC organizer of the meeting.

Fact 6: The Ukraine investigation of Hunter Biden’s employer, Burisma Holdings, escalated in February 2016 when Shokin’s office raided the home of company owner Mykola Zlochevsky and seized his property. Here is the announcement of that court-approved raid.

Fact 7: Shokin was making plans in February 2016 to interview Hunter Biden as part of his investigation. You can read his interview with me here, his sworn deposition to a court here and his interview with ABC News here.

Fact 8: Burisma’s American representatives lobbied the State Department in late February 2016 to help end the corruption allegations against the company, and specifically invoked Hunter Biden’s name as a reason to intervene. You can read State officials’ account of that effort here

Fact 9: Joe Biden boasted in a 2018 videotape that he forced Ukraine’s president to fire Shokin in March 2016 by threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid. You can view his videotape here.

Fact 10: Shokin stated in interviews with me and ABC News that he was told he was fired because Joe Biden was unhappy the Burisma investigation wasn’t shut down. He made that claim anew in this sworn deposition prepared for a court in Europe. You can read that here.

Fact 11: The day Shokin’s firing was announced in March 2016, Burisma’s legal representatives sought an immediate meeting with his temporary replacement to address the ongoing investigation. You can read the text of their emails here.

Fact 12: Burisma’s legal representatives secured that meeting April 6, 2016 and told Ukrainian prosecutors that “false information” had been spread to justify Shokin’s firing, according to a Ukrainian government memo about the meeting. The representatives also offered to arrange for the remaining Ukrainian prosecutors to meet with U.S State and Justice officials. You can read the Ukrainian prosecutors’ summary memo of the meeting here and here and the Burisma lawyers’ invite to Washington here.

Fact 13: Burisma officials eventually settled the Ukraine investigations in late 2016 and early 2017, paying a multimillion dollar fine for tax issues. You can read their lawyer’s February 2017 announcement of the end of the investigations here.

Fact 14: In March 2019, Ukraine authorities reopened an investigation against Burisma and Zlochevsky based on new evidence of money laundering. You can read NABU’s February 2019 recommendation to re-open the case here, the March 2019 notice of suspicion by Ukraine prosecutors here and a May 2019 interview here with a Ukrainian senior law enforcement official stating the investigation was ongoing. And here is an announcement this week that the Zlochevsky/Burisma probe has been expanded to include allegations of theft of Ukrainian state funds.

Fact 15: The Ukraine embassy in Washington issued a statement in April 2019 admitting that a Democratic National Committee contractor named Alexandra Chalupa solicited Ukrainian officials in spring 2016 for dirt on Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort in hopes of staging a congressional hearing close to the 2016 election that would damage Trump’s election chances. You can read the embassy’s statement here and here. Your colleague, Dr. Fiona Hill, confirmed this episode, testifying “Ukraine bet on the wrong horse. They bet on Hillary Clinton winning.” You can read her testimony here.

Fact 16: Chalupa sent an email to top DNC officials in May 2016 acknowledging she was working on the Manafort issue. You can read the email here.

Fact 17: Ukraine’s ambassador to Washington, Valeriy Chaly, wrote an OpEd in The Hill in August 2016 slamming GOP nominee Donald Trump for his policies on Russia despite a Geneva Convention requirement that ambassadors not become embroiled in the internal affairs or elections of their host countries. You can read Ambassador Chaly’s OpEd here and the Geneva Convention rules of conduct for foreign diplomats here. And your colleagues Ambassador Yovanovitch and Dr. Hill both confirmed this, with Dr. Hill testifying this week that Chaly’s OpEd was “probably not the most advisable thing to do.”

Fact 18: A Ukrainian district court ruled in December 2018 that the summer 2016 release of information by Ukrainian Parliamentary member Sergey Leschenko and NABU director Artem Sytnyk about an ongoing investigation of Manafort amounted to an improper interference by Ukraine’s government in the 2016 U.S. election. You can read the court ruling here. Leschenko and Sytnyk deny the allegations, and have won an appeal to suspend that ruling on a jurisdictional technicality.

Again, U.S. media, congressional Democrats, FBI, CIA, and Rosenstein's DOJ have shown NO interest in the scope of Ukraine meddling in 2016, and the DNC and Clinton's "coordination and conspiracy" of it, just like they ignored the utter foundation of the FBI and Mueller probes; the Clinton/DNC funded Steele dossier.

Now, at least, you have ten times the information to digest than you had before.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So if this is true then the Biden Ukraine situation has not been debunked?

You are missing an important point here. There is not and there has never been an investigation into Burisma Holdings, which involved activity between the time that Hunter Biden was a member of their board of directors. Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma in May of 2014. The activity in question, and currently being investigated, involves permits that were issued from 2010-2012.

 

[vols40]

She did. They were all subpoenaed and on orders from the White House, they all 3 refused to comply with their subpoenas.

She had the ability to see this out in court but didn't.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Utter nonsense, both in premise and in fact. Trump admitted Russia interfered in the election, in Jan. 2017 before his inauguration. The same CIA, FBI and DOJ falsely and without basis also accused him of Russian conspiracy and treason. As Barr and Horowitz have stated, they never gave him a defensive briefing when this was going on - never mind the Obama WH did nothing to derail the interference - as they did Clinton; that is not just customary, but required.
The second bold comment is also nonsense in premise and fact. Did Obama "benefit" Iran? Are they an enemy? Was being more flexible after his election by denying Russia-facing missile defense systems to Poland and Czech Republic, "treasonous"? Denying lethal defense arms to Ukraine - was that treasonous or are you making the case these things didn't benefit Russia??

And in fact and in actions, no one since Reagan has take a stick to Russia like Trump has.

You haven't thought this through.

Yeah, Trump acknowledged it. He's also been too cozy with Putin the entire time he's been POTUS. And no, it's not fact he's been tough on Russia.

I've thought this through from every angle. Some you could never imagine.

 

[luthervol]

The rationalizations from you Trumpers have to be at an all time high. Trump's has done very little to signify he's a good leader. Most of his actions and words signify he isn't anything close to a good leader. To be more accurate, they represent the exact opposite of a good leader

Welcome to the PF.
We are certainly in need of more of the rational and reasonable.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Wow. Straight from the lamest impeachment in history straight to treason. You must really hate this country.

No, unlike you, I love this country. Funny coming from a Trump supporter, but not surprising

 

[BowlBrother85]

You can read the link Responding to Lt. Col. Vindman about my Ukraine columns … with the facts | John Solomon Reports yourself, I'm posting the first 2/3rds; follow the dates to see how they contradict Reuters:

Fact 1: Hunter Biden was hired in May 2014 by Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural gas company, at a time when his father Joe Biden was Vice President and overseeing US-Ukraine Policy. Here is the announcement. Hunter Biden’s hiring came just a few short weeks after Joe Biden urged Ukraine to expand natural gas production and use Americans to help. You can read his comments to the Ukrainian prime minister here. Hunter Biden’s firm then began receiving monthly payments totaling $166,666. You can see those payments here.

Fact 2: Burisma was under investigation by British authorities for corruption and soon came under investigation by Ukrainian authorities led by Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

Fact 3: Vice President Joe Biden and his office were alerted by a December 2015 New York Times article that Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma and that Hunter Biden’s role at the company was undercutting his father’s anticorruption efforts in Ukraine.

Fact 4: The Biden-Burisma issue created the appearance of a conflict of interest, especially for State Department officials. I especially refer you to State official George Kent’s testimony here. He testified he viewed Burisma as corrupt and the Bidens as creating the perception of a conflict of interest. His concerns both caused him to contact the vice president’s office and to block a project that State’s USAID agency was planning with Burisma in 2016. In addition, Ambassador Yovanovitch testified she, too, saw the Bidens-Burisma connection as creating the appearance of a conflict of interest. You can read her testimony here.

Fact 5: The Obama White House invited Shokin’s prosecutorial team to Washington for meetings in January 2016 to discuss their anticorruption investigations. You can read about that here. Also, here is the official agenda for that meeting in Ukraine and English. I call your attention to the NSC organizer of the meeting.

Fact 6: The Ukraine investigation of Hunter Biden’s employer, Burisma Holdings, escalated in February 2016 when Shokin’s office raided the home of company owner Mykola Zlochevsky and seized his property. Here is the announcement of that court-approved raid.

Fact 7: Shokin was making plans in February 2016 to interview Hunter Biden as part of his investigation. You can read his interview with me here, his sworn deposition to a court here and his interview with ABC News here.

Fact 8: Burisma’s American representatives lobbied the State Department in late February 2016 to help end the corruption allegations against the company, and specifically invoked Hunter Biden’s name as a reason to intervene. You can read State officials’ account of that effort here

Fact 9: Joe Biden boasted in a 2018 videotape that he forced Ukraine’s president to fire Shokin in March 2016 by threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid. You can view his videotape here.

Fact 10: Shokin stated in interviews with me and ABC News that he was told he was fired because Joe Biden was unhappy the Burisma investigation wasn’t shut down. He made that claim anew in this sworn deposition prepared for a court in Europe. You can read that here.

Fact 11: The day Shokin’s firing was announced in March 2016, Burisma’s legal representatives sought an immediate meeting with his temporary replacement to address the ongoing investigation. You can read the text of their emails here.

Fact 12: Burisma’s legal representatives secured that meeting April 6, 2016 and told Ukrainian prosecutors that “false information” had been spread to justify Shokin’s firing, according to a Ukrainian government memo about the meeting. The representatives also offered to arrange for the remaining Ukrainian prosecutors to meet with U.S State and Justice officials. You can read the Ukrainian prosecutors’ summary memo of the meeting here and here and the Burisma lawyers’ invite to Washington here.

Fact 13: Burisma officials eventually settled the Ukraine investigations in late 2016 and early 2017, paying a multimillion dollar fine for tax issues. You can read their lawyer’s February 2017 announcement of the end of the investigations here.

Fact 14: In March 2019, Ukraine authorities reopened an investigation against Burisma and Zlochevsky based on new evidence of money laundering. You can read NABU’s February 2019 recommendation to re-open the case here, the March 2019 notice of suspicion by Ukraine prosecutors here and a May 2019 interview here with a Ukrainian senior law enforcement official stating the investigation was ongoing. And here is an announcement this week that the Zlochevsky/Burisma probe has been expanded to include allegations of theft of Ukrainian state funds.

Fact 15: The Ukraine embassy in Washington issued a statement in April 2019 admitting that a Democratic National Committee contractor named Alexandra Chalupa solicited Ukrainian officials in spring 2016 for dirt on Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort in hopes of staging a congressional hearing close to the 2016 election that would damage Trump’s election chances. You can read the embassy’s statement here and here. Your colleague, Dr. Fiona Hill, confirmed this episode, testifying “Ukraine bet on the wrong horse. They bet on Hillary Clinton winning.” You can read her testimony here.

Fact 16: Chalupa sent an email to top DNC officials in May 2016 acknowledging she was working on the Manafort issue. You can read the email here.

Fact 17: Ukraine’s ambassador to Washington, Valeriy Chaly, wrote an OpEd in The Hill in August 2016 slamming GOP nominee Donald Trump for his policies on Russia despite a Geneva Convention requirement that ambassadors not become embroiled in the internal affairs or elections of their host countries. You can read Ambassador Chaly’s OpEd here and the Geneva Convention rules of conduct for foreign diplomats here. And your colleagues Ambassador Yovanovitch and Dr. Hill both confirmed this, with Dr. Hill testifying this week that Chaly’s OpEd was “probably not the most advisable thing to do.”

Fact 18: A Ukrainian district court ruled in December 2018 that the summer 2016 release of information by Ukrainian Parliamentary member Sergey Leschenko and NABU director Artem Sytnyk about an ongoing investigation of Manafort amounted to an improper interference by Ukraine’s government in the 2016 U.S. election. You can read the court ruling here. Leschenko and Sytnyk deny the allegations, and have won an appeal to suspend that ruling on a jurisdictional technicality.

Again, U.S. media, congressional Democrats, FBI, CIA, and Rosenstein's DOJ have shown NO interest in the scope of Ukraine meddling in 2016, and the DNC and Clinton's "coordination and conspiracy" of it, just like they ignored the utter foundation of the FBI and Mueller probes; the Clinton/DNC funded Steele dossier.

Now, at least, you have ten times the information to digest than you had before.

The only information I need, is that you linked to an opinion piece by John Solomon, who is a Trump flunky whose reporting on the Ukraine has been proven to be false, repeatedly. Substantial reporting from outlets including ProPublica and the Daily Beast show that Solomon spread disinformation about Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and the former US Ambassador to the Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. In his work, Solomon effectively laundered dirt provided to him by Donald Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani. The foremost allegation made by Solomon was published by the Hill in March, when Solomon interviewed the former prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko. In the interview, he accused then-US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch of giving him a do-not-prosecute list to stop corruption. The accusation was proven to be false, and it was ultimately recanted by Lutsenko himself.

The long and short of it: If you are going to post a dissertation, you should choose a better source. John Solomon and the word "facts" do not belong in the same headline. Solomon is a Trump minion and a proven liar who peddles disinformation given to him by Rudy Giuliani, which Giuliani in turn, cites on cable news. It's one big circle jerk. It is impossible to read the name "John Solomon" and take anything else seriously. The guy has an agenda.

 

[37L1]

You are missing an important point here. There is not and there has never been an investigation into Burisma Holdings, which involved activity between the time that Hunter Biden was a member of their board of directors. Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma in May of 2014. The activity in question, and currently being investigated, involves permits that were issued from 2010-2012.

Latvia Flagged 'Suspicious' Hunter Biden Payments in 2016

Latvia said it traced $14.6 million received by Burisma from Wirelogic Technology AS as payments for loan agreements between July 2012 and July 2014. The money was “partially transferred” from a Burisma account to Biden and three colleagues, including fellow American Devon Archer, who also sat on Burisma’s board for a number of years.

Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor who Joe Biden pressured Ukraine into removing in 2016, told One America News that the Latvia document and other such documents made it impossible for him to simply shut down a probe into Burisma, as he was asked to do by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, before being ousted.

 

[vols40]

You are missing an important point here. There is not and there has never been an investigation into Burisma Holdings, which involved activity between the time that Hunter Biden was a member of their board of directors. Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma in May of 2014. The activity in question, and currently being investigated, involves permits that were issued from 2010-2012.

Lol.

 

[vols40]

The only information I need, is that you linked to an opinion piece by John Solomon, who is a Trump flunky whose reporting on the Ukraine has been proven to be false, repeatedly. Substantial reporting from outlets including ProPublica and the Daily Beast show that Solomon spread disinformation about Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and the former US Ambassador to the Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. In his work, he effectively laundered dirt provided to him by Donald Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani. The foremost allegation made by Solomon was published by the Hill in March, when Solomon interviewed the former prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko. In the interview, he accused then-US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch of giving him a do-not-prosecute list to stop corruption. The accusation was proven to be false, and it was ultimately recanted by Lutsenko himself.

The long and short of it: If you are going to post a dissertation, you should choose a better source. John Solomon and the word "facts" do not belong in the same headline. Solomon is a Trump flunky who peddles disinformation given to him by Rudy Giuliani, which Giuliani in turn, cites on cable news. It's one big circle jerk. It is impossible to read the name "John Solomon" and take anything else seriously. The guy has an agenda.

Textbook Dem play book can't argue sources attack the messenger.

 

[1972 Grad]

It is a mistake to completely dismiss what the polls are saying and they have been very consistent that Biden has a comfortable lead. I really think that the Ukraine story has helped Biden with some Democrats. It's clear that Trump would rather face Liz or Bernie. He never attacks them anymore. When was the last time we heard a "Pocahontas" or "Crazy Bernie" dig? Trump and Giuliani have been busting their asses to find dirt on one candidate. That only serves to feed into the perception among Democrats that Biden is the most electable.

Take them down one at a time, starting at the top rung.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.

Yeah. Don't stop

 

[vols40]

That would have taken several months. It took 7 months to finally get a decision from a federal court which compelled the testimony of Don McGahn. And no, I don't think the White House would fight against subpoenas from a Republican Senate. We will never get to see that, though. Ultimately, there won't be any witnesses called. We will only see a donkey show of opening and closing statements and then an acquittal.

Similar to the circus that Schift put on in the house?

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Textbook Dem play book can't argue sources attack the messenger.

Jim Jordan says hello

 

[BigOrangeD]

The only information I need, is that you linked to an opinion piece by John Solomon, who is a Trump flunky whose reporting on the Ukraine has been proven to be false, repeatedly. Substantial reporting from outlets including ProPublica and the Daily Beast show that Solomon spread disinformation about Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and the former US Ambassador to the Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch. In his work, he effectively laundered dirt provided to him by Donald Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani. The foremost allegation made by Solomon was published by the Hill in March, when Solomon interviewed the former prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko. In the interview, he accused then-US Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch of giving him a do-not-prosecute list to stop corruption. The accusation was proven to be false, and it was ultimately recanted by Lutsenko himself.

The long and short of it: If you are going to post a dissertation, you should choose a better source. John Solomon and the word "facts" do not belong in the same headline. Solomon is a Trump flunky who peddles disinformation given to him by Rudy Giuliani, which Giuliani in turn, cites on cable news. It's one big circle jerk. It is impossible to read the name "John Solomon" and take anything else seriously. The guy has an agenda.

Uh Huh, sure...

 

[37L1]

I gave several examples

One. It was ridiculous too.

 

[1972 Grad]

So she chose expediency over doing it right? Why?

Because Trump is a clear and present danger to our democracy and must be removed ASAP.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Uh Huh, sure...

Yeah... that's him. He was peddling disinformation from Giuliani... posting his tweets doesn't do anything but further reveal his bias and his lack of professionalism.

 

[vols40]

You can be both when it comes to prosecuting corruption. Shokin is not the least bit credible. It makes sense that he would approve of the Republican Party narrative that he was a crusader for justice. The entire European Union had been pushing for Shokin's ouster. There is no question about that.

Attack the messenger again.

 

[Orangeburst]

I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue.

Sure you remember this one and it's content

 

[BowlBrother85]

Textbook Dem play book can't argue sources attack the messenger.

Isn't that what Republicans did to Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Fiona Hill and William Taylor following their testimony before the House?

 

[BigOrangeD]

Yeah... that's him. He was peddling disinformation from Giuliani... posting his tweets doesn't do anything but further reveal his bias and his lack of professionalism.

No disinformation peddling done by him. All the disinformation was peddled by the Clowns under Obama.