The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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NashVol11 said:
If the Supreme Court ordered the President to facilitate their return, and he started laughing about it and appealing to the public that court orders don't matter because he was a really bad guy, I would be just as upset in those instances as well
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They are saying pretty please but once you account for that he was sent to the right place there isn't anything to facilitate. It would be legally incorrect to allow him to return because he doesn't have legal status.
 
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EasternVol said:
A judge has to decide though. That would amount to a conviction.
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A determination of legal status has already been made via the immigration process and also directly by the executive branch, whether he was criminally convicted or not is not material.... other than he really isn't a poster boy for anything.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
They are saying pretty please but once you account for that he was sent to the right place there isn't anything to facilitate. It would be legally incorrect to allow him to return because he doesn't have legal status.
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Right, when the Supreme Court orders something 9-0 the appropriate response is "well, I as a layperson think that is legally incorrect, so no thanks"
 
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NashVol11 said:
If the Supreme Court ordered the President to facilitate their return, and he started laughing about it and appealing to the public that court orders don't matter because he was a really bad guy, I would be just as upset in those instances as well
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What do you want Trump to do to "Facilitate" his return to the country he doesn't belong?

He's an El Salvadorean in a prison in El Salvador.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Right, when the Supreme Court orders something 9-0 the appropriate response is "well, I as a layperson think that is legally incorrect, so no thanks"
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I would suggest you actually read what they wrote i.e. the lower court probably doesn't have authority (paraphased by me). This dealt with the immigration hold order, not really getting into AEA. He was legally deported via AEA.
 
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NashVol11 said:
If the Supreme Court ordered the President to facilitate their return, and he started laughing about it and appealing to the public that court orders don't matter because he was a really bad guy, I would be just as upset in those instances as well
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Now, there is a subject we can agree on. Trump's public comments on the SCOTUS ruling is way out of bounds and he deserves to be hammered on that. Although I must admit that I missed your outrage when Biden made similar remarks about disregarding a SCOTUS decision.
 
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McDad said:
no thoughts that his history could change in 6 years?
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As far as I've seen, he has no criminal record currently either. That screenshot was from the "additional information" from Bondi that also said no criminal record, in the materials that were supposed to justify this
 
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hog88 said:
Now, there is a subject we can agree on. Trump's public comments on the SCOTUS ruling is way out of bounds and he deserves to be hammered on that.
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The facilitate case deals basically with the immigration process stay order, he was deported under AEA which really isn't the subject of the Supreme Court in that case... not really.

I see nothing wrong with what the Supreme Court did, other than the three Stooges opinions at the end.
 
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just bob said:
What do you want Trump to do to "Facilitate" his return to the country he doesn't belong?

He's an El Salvadorean in a prison in El Salvador.
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What do you mean "what do I want him to do?" It's very easy to get him back, we were ordered to, and we've gotten prisoners back from El Salvador before. The administration isn't following this order simply because they don't want to, there's nothing more to it than that
 
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EasternVol said:
We're holding an ultra high level repartee about the accusations of domestic violence against him. Please try to keep up.
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Well, he doesn't appear to be a poster boy for anything at this point, not sure what the point is... but oh well. At best he is an illegal who was properly ejected.
 
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NashVol11 said:
What do you mean "what do I want him to do?" It's very easy to get him back, we were ordered to, and we've gotten prisoners back from El Salvador before. The administration isn't following this order simply because they don't want to, there's nothing more to it than that
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Interesting. The SC has jurisdiction over foreign residents in their own country?
 
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C-south said:
Illegals deported = win.
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Without due process, there's nothing stopping the government from saying any of us is illegal and putting us on a plane. Or "aiding and abetting terrorists" because you don't support deporting college protestors (or on the flip side, because you don't condemn January 6)

 
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NashVol11 said:
What do you mean "what do I want him to do?" It's very easy to get him back, we were ordered to, and we've gotten prisoners back from El Salvador before. The administration isn't following this order simply because they don't want to, there's nothing more to it than that
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> the court doesn't have the authority, which is what the supreme court basically said... because a new order would have to be written
> even if they did order, he's been determined to be illegal and has been properly ejected

There simply is no reason to return him, but yes, if they want to say they don't want to... and for good reason.
 
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