The Bruce Pearl Thread

Would you be for Bruce Pearl's return if Martin is fired after next year?

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#4,101
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bleedingTNorange said:
Said poster calls me on everything I say, he made a very over exaggerated statement so I called him on that. I'm very sorry if that offended you.
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Doesn't offend me one bit. What offends me is your propensity to insult anyone and everyone that holds an opinion that is nonconforming to that of your own. You've ascribed to the philosophies of Sab and BigPapaVol and have clearly displayed your incapacity to communicate, let alone debate, without an air of scorning arrogance.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Doesn't offend me one bit. What offends me is your propensity to insult anyone and everyone that holds an opinion that is nonconforming to that of your own. You've ascribed to the philosophies of Sab and BigPapaVol and have clearly displayed your incapacity to communicate, let alone debate, without an air of scorning arrogance.
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I have no problem having a discussion with many posters, such as yourself. However the poster I quoted refuses to have an educated discussion with me and results to calling me a multitude of different Martin apologist type names.

So I have given up on trying to have a regular discussion with him, and just figured I would quote that post to see if he was actually serious.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Opposite. Weatherall and Hart were at odds over most things regarding football as Hart felt Weatherall micro-managed him. From what I've read and heard while living in FL, Hart approached Bowden about stepping down and Bobby basically told him to pound sand and he had Weatherall's backing.
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Interesting, thanks. I learn something new every day.
 
#4,104
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If Bruce is rehired, it will do for our basketball program what the return of Coca-Cola Classic did in the aftermath of New Coke. Excitement would be higher than it ever was when he was here. The publicity would not stop and would garner attention during a football season where we are too young to win big. This could be the placeholder story to keep UT in the limelight, make them a great deal of money, and hopefully would result in basketball and football experiencing the postseason again.
 
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He lied. He lied over something extremely stupid. I don't trust Pearl. I understand everyone else can look past that and only see wins/losses, but I'm unable to get past it myself. Do I want a winning basketball program? Absolutely. Do I think Pearl's the only one who can accomplish that? Absolutely not. There are other coaches who can bring similar or better qualities to UT. I'd rather make them say no than just give it back to Bruce.

But I'm not the decision maker. First, Hart has to decide the fate of CCM. Personally, I know I'm frustrated with the results this year, but I honestly sit on the fence as to whether or not CCM deserves more time. Part of me says it's time for him to go, but part of me wonders if one more year lets him turn it around. I just don't know.

But if Hart does let CCM go and simply gives the program back to Pearl, I won't be happy. Bruce tarnished our beloved UT over a petty contact violation. All he had to do was admit it. Slap on the wrist and he's still the coach of the Vols. But that's not what he did. He exercised poor decision making skills, and I honestly don't believe that point can be argued. I won't lie and say if Pearl was rehired I wouldn't eventually become a supporter again, but it would take more than wins to bring me around. He'd have to run a tight ship and avoid any and all violations. Inability to do that would leave me convinced that he didn't learn his lesson. And if he hasn't learned his lesson, I don't want him at UT in any position. JMO
 
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The Craft's through Thad Matta turned UT in. They are responsible for the ensuing NCAA investigation. If they didn't want the storm that followed, they should have kept their mouths shut. Their attendance at a BBQ and their attempts to get UT/Bruce Pearl in trouble for their attendance seems petty to me. It would have pleased me to no end if he'd lost some of his eligibility. So I feel no sorrow for the rats and can't understand how they would hold the grudge when they started the snowball. As to the picture, the Crafts turned it in.

As to the cheaper coach my point was, if all your interested in is making sure the players behave, $1.3M is mighty expensive price for a babysitter.

As to being respectful to Cuonzo, I and many posters recognize that he seems to be a great man. He is however, not a very good coach. Maybe he will be one day but not now. When you come to a large school like Tennessee with high expectations, and you accept the money that comes with it, you better be ready to accept the criticism when you stink the place up. If Cuonzo is getting his feelings hurt because of what's posted on a message board, maybe he should avoid message boards.
 
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Weezer said:
He lied. He lied over something extremely stupid. I don't trust Pearl. I understand everyone else can look past that and only see wins/losses, but I'm unable to get past it myself. Do I want a winning basketball program? Absolutely. Do I think Pearl's the only one who can accomplish that? Absolutely not. There are other coaches who can bring similar or better qualities to UT. I'd rather make them say no than just give it back to Bruce.

But I'm not the decision maker. First, Hart has to decide the fate of CCM. Personally, I know I'm frustrated with the results this year, but I honestly sit on the fence as to whether or not CCM deserves more time. Part of me says it's time for him to go, but part of me wonders if one more year lets him turn it around. I just don't know.

But if Hart does let CCM go and simply gives the program back to Pearl, I won't be happy. Bruce tarnished our beloved UT over a petty contact violation. All he had to do was admit it. Slap on the wrist and he's still the coach of the Vols. But that's not what he did. He exercised poor decision making skills, and I honestly don't believe that point can be argued. I won't lie and say if Pearl was rehired I wouldn't eventually become a supporter again, but it would take more than wins to bring me around. He'd have to run a tight ship and avoid any and all violations. Inability to do that would leave me convinced that he didn't learn his lesson. And if he hasn't learned his lesson, I don't want him at UT in any position. JMO
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If there are other coaches you can bring what Pearl did then why did we have to wait 100 years for a #1 ranking or to go to our first elite eight. Talk is cheap.
 
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Hopefully, someone will take Cuonzo aside and strongly urge him to seek gainful employment elsewhere before Dave Hart’s hand is forced; a position that’s more suited to his level of coaching, but where he’ll be a better fit. But I really can’t wait to see Dave Hart hand him his walking papers. With every day that passes the Vol faithful are turning against Cuonzo in droves. That can’t be a comfortable spot to be in (for him or for his family).

Personally, I’d be ecstatic to see Bruce brought back as our basketball coach The Dynamic Duo of Butch & Bruce would be a pairing that no other SEC school could match. When Bruce was coaching here, it seems the Vols were almost always in the news. Now that Butch has put his stamp on a recruiting class, the football program is starting to show up in the national media a lot more often, too. Imagine the positive press UT would get with both of them on board. That’s good for recruiting across the board.

I have a feeling that the SEC competition will soon grow to hate Butch just as much as they used to hate Bruce. If and when UT announces the rehire of Bruce Almighty, the roar of approval from Knoxville will be heard around the world. Butch is demonstrating that he’s got the moxie to get the job done with the football program and Bruce has already shown the world what he can do.

In any case, we’ve got to do better than Cuonzo to keep our basketball program viable. I can’t think of anyone who could get us back on our feet quicker than Bruce. Not one other coach on the planet can make the statement that he knows for sure how to return the Vols to basketball glory. That’s because Bruce is the only one who’s proved it already. Why take a chance on an unproven quantity, no matter what his name is, when we already know that Bruce can take Vol Basketball to Infinity (and beyond…)?
 
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Weezer said:
He lied. He lied over something extremely stupid. I don't trust Pearl. I understand everyone else can look past that and only see wins/losses, but I'm unable to get past it myself. Do I want a winning basketball program? Absolutely. Do I think Pearl's the only one who can accomplish that? Absolutely not. There are other coaches who can bring similar or better qualities to UT. I'd rather make them say no than just give it back to Bruce.

But I'm not the decision maker. First, Hart has to decide the fate of CCM. Personally, I know I'm frustrated with the results this year, but I honestly sit on the fence as to whether or not CCM deserves more time. Part of me says it's time for him to go, but part of me wonders if one more year lets him turn it around. I just don't know.

But if Hart does let CCM go and simply gives the program back to Pearl, I won't be happy. Bruce tarnished our beloved UT over a petty contact violation. All he had to do was admit it. Slap on the wrist and he's still the coach of the Vols. But that's not what he did. He exercised poor decision making skills, and I honestly don't believe that point can be argued. I won't lie and say if Pearl was rehired I wouldn't eventually become a supporter again, but it would take more than wins to bring me around. He'd have to run a tight ship and avoid any and all violations. Inability to do that would leave me convinced that he didn't learn his lesson. And if he hasn't learned his lesson, I don't want him at UT in any position. JMO
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You really think giving CM another year will make a difference? Look at next years potential roster. Next year will be rough, no matter who is coaching. The main reason for this is CM's mediocre recruiting. Get a new coach in, and let him start recruiting players who will contribute, and avoid projects who might average 2 points a game.
 
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I thought the post from the other site was well thought out and basically on the money. The one exception is that I do not believe Dr. Cheeks gives a damn about our athletic department. He has shown himself to be a pilferer, with no concept of how to guide a University outside of trying to enjoy the fruits of taking money from athletics but not joining forces to give them a helping hand. I would love to have Bruce back, he paid his dues 10 fold, and a change is needed, everyone and his brother knows Martin is not the answer.
 
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SDV said:
I like how people sign up under names like Heath Shuler and people actually think he's the real Heath. Lol
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My personal favorite was Mr. Jimmy Haslam. Im guessing because of his status and daddy being on the board of trustees for the University. he wouldnt sign a petition. he would just walk up to Hart and Cheek and say remember who donated all this money.....make it happen. lol
 
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vols 30 said:
I would love Bruce back, but he will coach somewhere else next year, Best bet for the program is we get a young, tourney experienced coach, but more than likely CM will still be here.
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Im thinking of returning my 5 together Ive had for about 8 years now. If Bruce returns Im keeping those bad boys.
 
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On Craft: You sound like a Bama fan blaming Fulmer for the Albert Means Scandal.

Who is interested in that, you are picking and choosing. The college coach's job is to win games and graduate kids. I'd say that's flipped in the wrong direction the last few decades, it is what it is.

Your last point doesn't deserve a response, join the mattress burning party man. He's getting treated worse than Dooley, Petersen, O'Neil, It borders on Kiffin and he's done a better job than any of them. Have a nice evening.
 
#4,115
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bleedingTNorange said:
What would I be wrong on?

That Bruce came back when I said he wouldn't?

Ouch, that'll burn. I've said it before and I'll say it again...I'm a Tennessee basketball supporter, I want what's best for this program. Whether that's Cuonzo Martin, Hillary Clinton, Phil Jackson or Bruce Pearl it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me...I want what's best.
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I don't know if he has the resume of success to warrant this job.
 
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vol66 said:
On Craft: You sound like a Bama fan blaming Fulmer for the Albert Means Scandal.

Who is interested in that, you are picking and choosing. The college coach's job is to win games and graduate kids. I'd say that's flipped in the wrong direction the last few decades, it is what it is.

Your last point doesn't deserve a response, join the mattress burning party man. He's getting treated worse than Dooley, Petersen, O'Neil, It borders on Kiffin and he's done a better job than any of them. Have a nice evening.
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You need to read and learn comprehension skills. I never said I blamed the Crafts for Bruce's indiscretions. You said the Crafts harbored no I'll feelings. I simply said how could they? They were the rats that turned Bruce in. What motive would they have? Was their conscious bothering them? Lol. They did it because they were vindictive pos'. You're sound sound like a mightier than thou Ivy league guy that thinks all that matters is choirboy like student athletes that nothing matters as long as you graduate and visit children's hospital once a month. Sorry but when tickets are $40 bucks and the coaching is highschool level some things got to give.

Your acceptance of the level of coaching is truly amazing. As long as nobody gets in trouble and doesn't bring negative publicity to the program results on the floor don't matter. Well maybe you and 100 others that think like you can ante up and pay his $1.3mil salary.

Give me $1.3mil a year and I don't give a crap what you say about me. I can promises you any coach that comes to a program like UT and expects the fans to blindly support him no matter the lackluster results on the court is living in a fantasy land.
 
#4,125
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He makes some good points, especially about Bruce handling the entire situation with class.

Let's face it Martin is a nice guy, but he's just not getting the job done.
 
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