The Bruce Pearl Thread

Would you be for Bruce Pearl's return if Martin is fired after next year?

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#4,151
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GAVol said:
Careful with the tortured biblical metaphor. "Basketball Jesus's" last season at Tennessee looked remarkably like Cuonzo Martin's last 3 years. In fact, Cuonzo - who I'm reasonably certain sucks - is probably going to finish his 3rd season with the 3rd consecutive record that is as good or better than the year before he got here.
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Except that he made the tourney his last year. Something CCM has yet to do.
 
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#4,152
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Weezer said:
He lied. He lied over something extremely stupid. I don't trust Pearl. I understand everyone else can look past that and only see wins/losses, but I'm unable to get past it myself. Do I want a winning basketball program? Absolutely. Do I think Pearl's the only one who can accomplish that? Absolutely not. There are other coaches who can bring similar or better qualities to UT. I'd rather make them say no than just give it back to Bruce.

But I'm not the decision maker. First, Hart has to decide the fate of CCM. Personally, I know I'm frustrated with the results this year, but I honestly sit on the fence as to whether or not CCM deserves more time. Part of me says it's time for him to go, but part of me wonders if one more year lets him turn it around. I just don't know.

But if Hart does let CCM go and simply gives the program back to Pearl, I won't be happy. Bruce tarnished our beloved UT over a petty contact violation. All he had to do was admit it. Slap on the wrist and he's still the coach of the Vols. But that's not what he did. He exercised poor decision making skills, and I honestly don't believe that point can be argued. I won't lie and say if Pearl was rehired I wouldn't eventually become a supporter again, but it would take more than wins to bring me around. He'd have to run a tight ship and avoid any and all violations. Inability to do that would leave me convinced that he didn't learn his lesson. And if he hasn't learned his lesson, I don't want him at UT in any position. JMO
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Do you not realize that college basketball is a very sleazy business? Coaches lie every day and get away with it. What Frank Haith did while he was at Miami is 5 X's worse than what Pearl did and he received a 5 game suspension. What Rick Pitino did at Louisville , even thou it was his personal life is 10 X's worse than what Pearl did but he got to keep coaching and won a National Championship.

Bottom line, Pearl made a mistake and has more than paid the price for it. He is one of the best basketball coaches in the country and loves the Univ. of Tenn. Any fan or Administrator with any sense whatsoever would be stupid for not wanting to bring him back , IF we want to have a competitive basketball program. If we just want to become a training ground for up and coming coaches every 3 to 4 years and field a team for the fun of it, then let's just let Pearl coach at Alabama or Georgia or Auburn next year.
 
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GAVol said:
Careful with the tortured biblical metaphor. "Basketball Jesus's" last season at Tennessee looked remarkably like Cuonzo Martin's last 3 years. In fact, Cuonzo - who I'm reasonably certain sucks - is probably going to finish his 3rd season with the 3rd consecutive record that is as good or better than the year before he got here.
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Yeah and there were no distractions that season either, huh? The fact that he was even able to overcome the distractions and make it to the dance was in itself pretty amazing.
 
#4,155
#4,155
vol66 said:
Backatcha.




As I said, it was my impression of reading numerous articles like this one.

Craft has come long way since being 'kid who got Bruce Pearl fired' - NCAA Division I Mens Basketball - CBSSports.com

I've explained plenty regarding Coach Martin's on the floor performance and let's be honest, In the SEC, 1.3 Million is low dough. Nobody's in jail, and the Vols are on track to get to 20 games and an NIT at worst...they are getting what they paid for and wanted BASED ON THE GUYS EXPERIENCE. Which you and many others keep glossing over or forgetting completely. I'm not happy with it, don't know how many more times I can say it or respond to the "settling for mediocrity" charge.

I'm not worried about Martin's feelings, I'm worried about his family and the players having to see this petition crap, or the promotional visa card crap, or hearing the former assistant on the radio implying that their dad is doing it wrong, and ...it's a low rent, classless, win at all cost, frontrunner attitude.

Can't it wait seven games, what's the harm in that?
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If Martin is worried about his families feelings then he chose the wrong profession.....u get paid a million dollars and have to deal with the expectations that come with it....if our players are so fragile they can't handle fans being disappointed when they are not playing good, then they don't need to play Div 1 basketball....it's only for the big boys.
 
#4,156
#4,156
GAVol said:
I'll grant you that, but let's be honest. There just wasn't much difference between that 19-15 team and any of the last 3.
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I can agree with that, though I think that team would have played better if it weren't for the cloud over the program at the time.
 
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1985Vols said:
Yeah and there were no distractions that season either, huh? The fact that he was even able to overcome the distractions and make it to the dance was in itself pretty amazing.
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So Bruce gets a pass on that season because it was due to distractions . . . even though he caused all the distractions.


Pure Brilliance
 
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GAVol said:
So Bruce gets a pass on that season because it was due to distractions . . . even though he caused all the distractions.


Pure Brilliance
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He doesn't get a pass but it's the only season mentioned by his detractors even thought he yr before was an elite eight team. Also Pearl's worse season while here was still a tourney team.
 
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just get CM the **** out and get somebody in here that will play exciting ball, win games, and go to the tournament. Yeah, I wouldn't mind Pearl coming back. I think it would be a blast. All of it. It may not work out. I'm willing to risk it because I am bored with it. I call friends and they don't even watch anymore because it's so difficult to watch whatever the hell they are doing.
And I understand the reasons why people don't want him back. I just view it differently, which is quite common.
Just get somebody that can get a pg, coach him, and get a couple of shooters and all will be fine. We still have no pg and still no shooters that can light people up. 3 years in. Hell, go get Rick Byrd. He can give us 10 years and we'd be fun to watch. He's had better pg play in the last few years than CM knows exists.
It would be fun though. And deep down. Everybody knows it. It would be a continuous saga of those waiting on him to fail and those trying to will him to bring back some success and fun. And if we went on another multiyear ncaa runs, but went down for something pretty minor again, would you take it? I would.
 
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knowthevols said:
If there are other coaches you can bring what Pearl did then why did we have to wait 100 years for a #1 ranking or to go to our first elite eight. Talk is cheap.
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Simple, we're a football school. Most schools were traditionally a football school or a basketball school. Then along came schools that showed you could do both, like UF. Now the powers-that-be look to hire winners. That's what Pearl was his first go-around. Then he created a mess, and yes, you have to lay that mess at his feet. Love Pearl, hate Pearl, there is no arguing he created the mess that resulted in his firing.

Talk may be cheap, but good basketball coaches generally are not. The AD has to be willing to spend some money, but they can find a good coach. How many coaches did we pass on when we were hiring our failures that went on to find success?
 
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GAVol said:
It's not. I give credit to Bruce for what he accomplished. My point is that he's not John Wooden and he's surely not the only man alive that can win here.
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Probably not but given our hiring history, if Bruce is a legitimate option here.......would u not agree that he would be the one most likely to win here then our mystery choice that we may hire?
 
#4,164
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GAVol said:
So Bruce gets a pass on that season because it was due to distractions . . . even though he caused all the distractions.


Pure Brilliance
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Ok, and Cuonzo continues to "fail" at coaching and not get into the tournament and you think he should get a " pass" for another year?

Pure brilliance as well.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He doesn't get a pass but it's the only season mentioned by his detractors even thought he yr before was an elite eight team. Also Pearl's worse season while here was still a tourney team.
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The thing is, the records don't even matter. He just simply can't come back.
 
#4,166
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GAVol said:
It's not. I give credit to Bruce for what he accomplished. My point is that he's not John Wooden and he's surely not the only man alive that can win here.
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It's about more than just "winning". If that were the case, Jerry Green might still be coaching here. You just don't seem to get it.
 
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vol66 said:
Exasperating...I don't think Coach Martin reads VN. Maybe he should, you guys are so knowledgeable, it's like you're all former NBA coaches. I don't know why you don't apply, especially since your so impressed with the salary.

It would be fun.
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My knowledge of basketball might surprise you. I think there are a lot of coaches that could do equally well that coach at much lower levels. These guys could probably do about as well if you rolled the ball out there and told them to have fun.
 
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1985Vols said:
Ok, and Cuonzo continues to "fail" at coaching and not get into the tournament and you think he should get a " pass" for another year?

Pure brilliance as well.
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Read about 10 posts back where I said. . .

In fact, Cuonzo - who I'm reasonably certain sucks
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Whether CCM should be back and whether Pearl should be rehired are two completely separate arguments that make no sense to tie together.
 
#4,171
#4,171
volbeast33 said:
If Martin is worried about his families feelings then he chose the wrong profession.....u get paid a million dollars and have to deal with the expectations that come with it....if our players are so fragile they can't handle fans being disappointed when they are not playing good, then they don't need to play Div 1 basketball....it's only for the big boys.
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Did the players handle the firing of the coach on the way to the first round game of Pearl's final year well?

Did the players handle the firing of Fulmer in the lead up to Wyoming well?

Salary gives the fans a right to what exactly, poison trees, place your genitals on some passed out person, blab all kinds of non sense in front of your kids who in turn take it to school, and blab it in ear shot of the coach's kid?

I did not cite one message board example in any of my previous posts.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
My knowledge of basketball might surprise you. I think there are a lot of coaches that could do equally well that coach at much lower levels. These guys could probably do about as well if you rolled the ball out there and told them to have fun.
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LMAO, it is not me you will have to surprise sir. :eek:lol:
 
#4,173
#4,173
Spartacavolus said:
just get CM the **** out and get somebody in here that will play exciting ball, win games, and go to the tournament. Yeah, I wouldn't mind Pearl coming back. I think it would be a blast. All of it. It may not work out. I'm willing to risk it because I am bored with it. I call friends and they don't even watch anymore because it's so difficult to watch whatever the hell they are doing.
And I understand the reasons why people don't want him back. I just view it differently, which is quite common.
Just get somebody that can get a pg, coach him, and get a couple of shooters and all will be fine. We still have no pg and still no shooters that can light people up. 3 years in. Hell, go get Rick Byrd. He can give us 10 years and we'd be fun to watch. He's had better pg play in the last few years than CM knows exists.
It would be fun though. And deep down. Everybody knows it. It would be a continuous saga of those waiting on him to fail and those trying to will him to bring back some success and fun. And if we went on another multiyear ncaa runs, but went down for something pretty minor again, would you take it? I would.
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I'm with this guy ^^^^^^^.
 
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1985Vols said:
It's about more than just "winning". If that were the case, Jerry Green might still be coaching here. You just don't seem to get it.
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My opinion is that it's ridiculous to rehitch the wagon to a guy that got is in hot water with the NCAA by lying about something stupid. It's as simple as that.

I don't care if he's the second coming of Coach K or the reincarnation of Wade Houston.
 
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GAVol said:
Read about 10 posts back where I said. . .



Whether CCM should be back and whether Pearl should be rehired are two completely separate arguments that make no sense to tie together.
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I totally disagree. If CCM should be retained, then CBP should definitely be in the discussion.
 
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