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rocytop2624 said:
I hope people that read this see Schiano was on the list then as a proven head coach that had 10 wins at Rutgers and he was hired and we was mad because it wasn't Gruden ( I mean because he worked at Penn St) but a proven head coach that knew how to rebuild a program but we ended up with a rookie head coach.
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We were not mad because Schiano wasn’t Gruden. No serious thinking UT fan has ever thought Gruden was going to coach here. I didn’t want Schiano because he is severely overrated and no one wanted him at the time we were offering him. His ties to Penn St and Sandusky was troublesome for many as well. Don’t try to re-write history here.
 
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901 Orange said:
Yeah but they both coached their teams longer then 3 yrs. Shula had a 10 win season but he was 4-9, 6-6, & 6-6 in the other 3 yrs plus they got put on probation. Gus was at Auburn for 7 yrs and was pretty successful which tells u he didnt get fired bc of his record their problem is probably much deeper.
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Possibly Gus also had 3 seasons with an 8-5 record and two seasons with six wins. Keep in mind Auburn has had success in the last 10 years so the bar was set even higher after that 2010 BCS Title. Think Auburns biggest issue is keeping with the Joneses 157 miles west of campus.
 
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The Original Fade said:
We were not mad because Schiano wasn’t Gruden. No serious thinking UT fan has ever thought Gruden was going to coach here. I didn’t want Schiano because he is severely overrated and no one wanted him at the time we were offering him. His ties to Penn St and Sandusky was troublesome for many as well. Don’t try to re-write history here.
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Good point about the pedophile stuff at Penn St. which got me thinking... How do you define someone who was an enabler of a pedophile??

If we define that it is an adult preying on someone under the legal age of consent, then wouldn't it be possible to apply that to Hugh Freeze? Didn't he arrange hookers for potential recruits? Some recruits can be Juniors or even Sophomores in high school.

If we use that same logic, would providing a hooker for an underage recruit not be considered enabling pedophilia?

I know it's a stretch, but it just popped into my head.
 
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Cartervol said:
Saban has built a machine at Bama but everything was in place for it too happen. They'll absolutely do anything to win. Tennessee on the other hand seems to have a power struggle within. Best thing UT fans can do is keep their money in their pocket, watch the games on TV up to the point you have to turn it off from the shatshow you're witnessing ( I did it several times this year). It's not going to get significantly better with Jeremy Pruitt in charge. Keeping Beldar is purely financial IMO. When he goes though Phil needs to be shown the door with him. Why in the world didn't we hire David Blackburn and be done with it? It made too much sense i guess.
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I'd think if there's a coaching change, there's also good probability that Phil "retires" to may way for the next era.
 
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There's one minor difference between AD Mal Moore and AD Phil Fulmer. Mal Moore only worked for and played for the greatest coach in his school's history, he didn't fancy himself as such. He wasn't concerned that a great hire of the next great coach would somehow diminish his personal legacy, it would solidify it. Pruitt may not be and maybe never was Tennessee's answer, but the crux of the problem lies at a higher level.
 
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Thanks for sharing @EZE, I found a couple of quotes particularly interesting when comparing Mal Moore to Fulmer. "Saban described Mal as the most selfless man he’d ever known." That is a quality that men, of Saban's caliber, appreciate and it is a quality that Fulmer lacks.

"I’ve been sitting out there in front of this gate by his house. I’ve been camped out here for a day and a half.” Did Fulmer ever interview anyone who had been a head coach? It seems like he interviewed coordinators who applied, but I don't recall him pursuing anyone. Much less pursuing a high caliber program builder. I cannot see Fulmer humbling himself to camping out and waiting on anyone.

I don't believe Fulmer will be given the opportunity to make the decision on the next hire. For the sake of UT's football program, I hope not.
 
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EZE said:
What does it take to wake up the people who matter?
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Pretty simple: boycott.

I personally will not spend another dime with this university as long as Pruitt is the coach of this football team. To hell with these worthless a-hole boosters and administration who don't give a damn about the fans and think we'll just keep forking out our dough regardless of what kind of product they give us. If every one of them went broke tomorrow I would rejoice.
 
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BSAvol said:
Thanks for sharing @EZE, I found a couple of quotes particularly interesting when comparing Mal Moore to Fulmer. "Saban described Mal as the most selfless man he’d ever known." That is a quality that men, of Saban's caliber, appreciate and it is a quality that Fulmer lacks.

"I’ve been sitting out there in front of this gate by his house. I’ve been camped out here for a day and a half.” Did Fulmer ever interview anyone who had been a head coach? It seems like he interviewed coordinators who applied, but I don't recall him pursuing anyone. Much less pursuing a high caliber program builder. I cannot see Fulmer humbling himself to camping out and waiting on anyone.

I don't believe Fulmer will be given the opportunity to make the decision on the next hire. For the sake of UT's football program, I hope not.
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Ego is a great killer. Here is another article. It was written during the Butch era, but is still highly relevant today.

UT’s big boosters need to loosen control like Alabama did and hire their Nick Saban

After years of mediocrity and going through three head coaches who have a combined record of 55-50, it is time for the big boosters at UT to spend some of money and give up some control, much like Alabama did when bringing in Nick Saban after years of distress.
For years, Alabama boosters, headed by Paul Bryant Jr., steered the Crimson Tide football program. Then-Alabama athletic director Mal Moore convinced all parties, including the son of legendary head coach Bear Bryant, that the time to restore the storied program was now. No more settling; Alabama needed an elite head coach.
And Moore began a relentless pursuit of Saban, who met all of the attributes he was looking for.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
That's just not true. Hugh Freeze is not a good but a great option, far and away the best one that has been available since we began our slide thirteen years ago.
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Read Deerparks posts on Freeze. I think the words used were “overrated” and considered “poison” by most P5 schools.
 
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VolInNorthCack said:
Good point about the pedophile stuff at Penn St. which got me thinking... How do you define someone who was an enabler of a pedophile??

If we define that it is an adult preying on someone under the legal age of consent, then wouldn't it be possible to apply that to Hugh Freeze? Didn't he arrange hookers for potential recruits? Some recruits can be Juniors or even Sophomores in high school.

If we use that same logic, would providing a hooker for an underage recruit not be considered enabling pedophilia?

I know it's a stretch, but it just popped into my head.
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age of consent is 16 in Mississippi
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Pretty simple: boycott.

I personally will not spend another dime with this university as long as Pruitt is the coach of this football team. To hell with these worthless a-hole boosters and administration who don't give a damn about the fans and think we'll just keep forking out our dough regardless of what kind of product they give us. If every one of them went broke tomorrow I would rejoice.
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OK, I hope you are not wanting to vacate the position without an executable plan in place. Name the legitimate candidates that we have reason to believe have enough money guys behind them to pull it off.. Make no mistake in the year of the COVID these guys will have to kick in more than usual to get it done. I don't see a candidate much less a list. The higher the profile the more money it will take. I don't see a consensus of money guys backing an NCAA cloud so please do not include Freeze. We went down the THIS IS TENNESSEE we can get a guy road post CPF and have been paying the price ever since.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
I hope people that read this see Schiano was on the list then as a proven head coach that had 10 wins at Rutgers and he was hired and we was mad because it wasn't Gruden ( I mean because he worked at Penn St) but a proven head coach that knew how to rebuild a program but we ended up with a rookie head coach.
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The Schiano mess gave this program a black eye from the outside. Schiano was guilty of nothing and it was proven in court. But Tennessee's reaction to the false narrative projected by some around here made us look like a cluster.

I always wondered where the false story about Schiano originated inside UTAD and who promoted it. The only rumor I heard was that someone leaked it to Condredge and he leaked it to the press. But who originally started it? I do know that the result was the AD was fired for talking to a candidate that was supported by many professionally, including Peyton Manning. We turned it into a national scandal with the power T as the headliner. That pub may have screwed the image of UT football for years to come, especially in the coaching ranks.

What is really interesting to me is how many fans took this and ran with it as factual without even looking into the court documents or credible reports. It was more like a lynch mob in action.
 
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IDVague said:
There's one minor difference between AD Mal Moore and AD Phil Fulmer. Mal Moore only worked for and played for the greatest coach in his school's history, he didn't fancy himself as such. He wasn't concerned that a great hire of the next great coach would somehow diminish his personal legacy, it would solidify it. Pruitt may not be and maybe never was Tennessee's answer, but the crux of the problem lies at a higher level.
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I completely agree. Fulmer’s hubris and his view of his personal legacy has been the complete undoing of Tennessee. It started there and that’s what got him fired, but Kiffin and Dooley just solidified what started. Butch tried to course correct but he’s not an actual builder. Pruitt is fulmer’s yes man. He’s doing things exactly CPF was doing things. That’s been seen with the way he was standing up recruits on signing day. I’m not really sure why people clutch their pearls when CPF and CJP are called out on this stuff. I think we’ve made our bed and now we have to lay in it.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Dickey used to be good at booster unity. It took a lot of that to get rid of Majors. That cohesion fell apart because Fulmer worked hard to ingratiate himself with certain boosters who go to bat for him to this day. He rooted in like a tick after David Cutcliffe left because he knew rocky waters were coming. It saved him for 5 or 6 years longer than he should have. It took a booster split to get him out and that split is still going.
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Tick analogy is a good one.

Fulmer has always been a better politician than coach and gladhanded the right people.

He also never strayed too far away from the program and kept his name in the back of everyone's mind.

This mess isn't going away until Fulmer is pushed out for good because he obviously isn't a good judge of coaching talent and fit.

The bigger chore is getting all the money people to coalesce around the common good though.
 
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#71
In 2008 I remember thinking UT won’t sit idly by and watch our two biggest rivals win National Championships. Twelve years and probably a half billion dollars in shared SEC revenue later, I realize UT doesn’t have to care
 
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#72
Get use to it boys, this is what we are. 1 step above Vanderbilt. This program will never even sniff the SEC title much less a playoff. Thanks Fulmer for destroying 1 of the only things that we can enjoy today. Pi$$ off Pruitt, just go back to Bama and let us go ahead and die.
 
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Get use to it boys, this is what we are. 1 step above Vanderbilt. This program will never even sniff the SEC title much less a playoff. Thanks Fulmer for destroying 1 of the only things that we can enjoy today. Pi$$ off Pruitt, just go back to Bama and let us go ahead and die.
 
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