The best and worst field goal kicker in TN history

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ejvols4 said:
Im surprised by the lack of James Wilhoit love on here. He's easily my favorite Vol Kicker of all time...
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Wilhoit never lived up to the hype. (I suspect this to be true for most recruits now days unless they achieve all american status.) Wilhoit was good but not great. He was hyped to be great and the next coming of a Reveiz. If memory serves me correctly, he was never able to kick it through the end zone. I remember seeing the statements that he struggled adjusting to not having the tee he had in high school.
 
#52
#52
ejvols4 said:
Im surprised by the lack of James Wilhoit love on here. He's easily my favorite Vol Kicker of all time...
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Wilhoit was solid. Can't knock him at all.

I guess the attitude that Lincoln portrayed attributes to a big part of the reason a lot of us don't like him. He just didn't do the vols uniform justice at all imo
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#54
#54
My personal favorite... Alex Walls, but then again I don't remember many other kickers.
As far as punters go, I would have to list Dustin Colquitt as the best IMO.
 
#55
#55
BJSforVols said:
Wilhoit never lived up to the hype. (I suspect this to be true for most recruits now days unless they achieve all american status.) Wilhoit was good but not great. He was hyped to be great and the next coming of a Reveiz. If memory serves me correctly, he was never able to kick it through the end zone. I remember seeing the statements that he struggled adjusting to not having the tee he had in high school.
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Wilhoit was my favorite was just because when he came out on the field, I had full confidence that he was going to put it through every time. He's really the only kicker I can say that about...

Plus that Florida field goal.
 
#56
#56
TNshadetree said:
Kiffin was a parinoid schizophrenic. I remember him saying that he wasn't going to keep running the drive and let the officials call some penalty and rip him off.:ermm:
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The refs easily could have hit UT with several flags on that very drive. I never had any respect for Kiffin, but when he went with that garbage I knew he'd never survive in the SEC.
 
#57
#57
tennfanatic said:
Yes we lost by 7 but if he hits both those chip shots we dont have to have a touchdown at the end of the game. When Ainge threw the int we were in field goal range and could have kicked the game winning field goal.
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Yes, the Vols were in field goal range, but that doesn't mean that Ainge doesn't still throw a pick.

Let's be fair. One of those missed "chip shots" was a 51-yarder.
 
#58
#58
tennfanatic said:
Yes we lost by 7 but if he hits both those chip shots we dont have to have a touchdown at the end of the game. When Ainge threw the int we were in field goal range and could have kicked the game winning field goal.
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When UT was down 13-7 Lincoln missed a 30 yarder. With UT leading 14-13 he missed a 51 yarder (hardly a chip shot). However, those 2 FG's would've put UT up by 7 and, to your point, UT had the ball twice inside the 20 late in the game. A FG would've won it.

By the way, Fuad and Hall were the best UT kickers I've seen at UT. Becksvoort's 1993 campaign was very solid missing only 1 FG (I'm not so sure he missed it).
 
#59
#59
BJSforVols said:
Wilhoit never lived up to the hype. (I suspect this to be true for most recruits now days unless they achieve all american status.) Wilhoit was good but not great. He was hyped to be great and the next coming of a Reveiz. If memory serves me correctly, he was never able to kick it through the end zone. I remember seeing the statements that he struggled adjusting to not having the tee he had in high school.
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Your memory does not serve you correctly.
47% of Wilhoit's kickoffs were touchbacks.
 
#60
#60
Jeff Hall was a great kicker. I also was a fan of James Wilhoit. Lincoln was more concerned w his looks and things of that nature than making sure he crossed the up rights for an extra point (imo).
 
#61
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SpiritOfTheHill said:
Yes, the Vols were in field goal range, but that doesn't mean that Ainge doesn't still throw a pick.Let's be fair. One of those missed "chip shots" was a 51-yarder.
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I agree but we would have been less aggressive in that situation knowing we only needed 3 points.
 
#62
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Boca Vol said:
When UT was down 13-7 Lincoln missed a 30 yarder. With UT leading 14-13 he missed a 51 yarder (hardly a chip shot). However, those 2 FG's would've put UT up by 7 and, to your point, UT had the ball twice inside the 20 late in the game. A FG would've won it.

By the way, Fuad and Hall were the best UT kickers I've seen at UT. Becksvoort's 1993 campaign was very solid missing only 1 FG (I'm not so sure he missed it).
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Logically, you can't play the "what if" game like that. It just doesn't work. Each thing that happens affects everything else after it.

If the Vols are leading by 7 instead of 1 in the 4th quarter, maybe Ainge doesn't even throw a pick six allowing LSU to tie the game or take the lead. Maybe the Vols win going away. Maybe not, though. Maybe Ainge does throw a pick six and LSU ties the game. Maybe the Vols respond by driving down the field (as they actually did) and take the lead on a FG instead of turning it over on downs. Maybe LSU then aggressively goes down the field and scores a TD to take a 4 point lead (instead of trying to passively sit on a 7-point lead that they actually had in that point in the game). And now we're back to the same situation where the Vols need a TD.

You see, the "what if" game doesn't work. Each play affects the ones that come after it.
 
#63
#63
volquest86 said:
Jeff Hall was a great kicker. I also was a fan of James Wilhoit. Lincoln was more concerned w his looks and things of that nature than making sure he crossed the up rights for an extra point (imo).
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I agree 100%. It never seemed to bother him when he missed a field goal. He should have played soccer or something.
 
#64
#64
If I'm a coach and my kicker starts to beat himself up over misses, I've lost a kicker.

The 2 most pressure-laden position in sports are Kickers and Closers. If they don't have the ability to completely and utterly detach themselves from prior misses, they'll never be reliable.
 
#65
#65
crusse10 said:
If I'm a coach and my kicker starts to beat himself up over misses, I've lost a kicker.

The 2 most pressure-laden position in sports are Kickers and Closers. If they don't have the ability to completely and utterly detach themselves from prior misses, they'll never be reliable.
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Well you didn't have to worry about that with ole Lincoln cause he didn't give a rats ass if made it or not. Like he said football was just a game to him and nothing more. I could have killed him when he said that.
 
#66
#66
tennfanatic said:
Well you didn't have to worry about that with ole Lincoln cause he didn't give a rats ass if made it or not. Like he said football was just a game to him and nothing more. I could have killed him when he said that.
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You're the type that sent the death threats to Crompton, too, right? Willing to kill someone over a game? That's nice.
 
#67
#67
tennfanatic said:
Yes we lost by 7 but if he hits both those chip shots we dont have to have a touchdown at the end of the game. When Ainge threw the int we were in field goal range and could have kicked the game winning field goal.
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you're also forgetting Denarius Moore's 4th down and 4 drop at the LSU 21 the drive before that
 
#68
#68
whobethis16 said:
You're the type that sent the death threats to Crompton, too, right? Willing to kill someone over a game? That's nice.
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Not at all I actually like Crompton because he gave his all for TN every Saturday. He was a terrible QB but he tried his best. I would never threaten to kill anyone over a game. Lincoln on the other hand didn't give a damn.
 
#71
#71
Jeff Hall, Alex Walls and Wilhoit were my favorites. Granted, I'm 18 and, aside from Lincoln, are really the only Kickers I know, but nevertheless, still my favorite. Jeff Hall was a clutch sumbich if there ever was one, Alex Walls was pretty consistent, and a great all around person to my memory, and Wilhoit... Minus that 3 minutes I wanted to strangle him in 2004 against florida, was always the most Likable kicker I've been around to witness. Anyway, he made up for that 3 minutes of anguish with 1 year's worth of happiness, so that's a good trade if you ask me... Wish I could have seen Faud or Cafego kick, they sound like they were really good.
 
#72
#72
I like no one ever bothers to give denarius moore any grief over dropping 2 passes in a row near the end of the game at the LSU 20 (including one on 4th down that hit him in the chest&hands)
 
#73
#73
Lincoln missed quite a few clutch field goals, particularly as his career progressed, but describing him as the worst in Tennessee history is simply wrong. He was an All-American in 2007, as a freshman, making 49-50 PATs and 21-28 FGs for 112 points (University of Tennessee Athletics Football). Ricky Townsend was an All-American in both 1972 and ’73 but converted only 12-19 and 11-21 FGs, respectively, during those years (University of Tennessee Athletics Football ). So what does that say about his place-kicking competitors?

The farther back in history you go, the more erratic place kickers were and the less frequently they were called upon. Karl Kremser was 10-15 on FGS in 1967 but only 6-19 in 1968. On the undefeated (regular season) 1956 team, our kickers (three) combined for 1-3 FGs. Similarly, kickers on the great 1950 and 1951 teams were a perfect 1-1 in each of those years. For documentation of these earlier years, see Tennessee Volunteers Index | College Football at Sports-Reference.com. As much as we emphasized the kicking game in the old days, place kicking appears to have been an afterthought then.
 
#75
#75
tennfanatic said:
+1
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that's all playing what-ifs though. No one really deserves terribly more blame, there's a multitude of things that went wrong at times all over the team that would have won them the game...not just 1 blaring thing


you want to play that game, how about how poor the offense was against UCLA? Id say that loss weighs equally or more on their lack of ability to produce throughout the entire game more so than a late FG



Lincoln was by no means the best kicker the school had.....but he certainly by no means was the worst either
 
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