The Atlanta Braves Thread (Terry Pendleton Edition)

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Ask any former MLB pitcher and they will tell you the same.. it is not the innings pitched it is the stressful innings pitched. Basically every inning pitched by a closer is a stressful inning. It is a different mindset then having 5 days to prep for your next start. Closers at times will pitch numerous consecutive days in high leverage situations. It is a different mindset, even for a guy like a Clayton Kershaw. I mean, sure he could do it. But can he handle the stress and lack of rest? Can he do it and put up a 2.21 and 1.00 whip over 19 seasons? I have my doubts. Those numbers are ridiculous.

It is insanely difficult to be a closer. It is not as simple as lolly gagging out all ho-hum every 9th inning with a lead and getting 3 outs.
 
#3,103
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"It's insanely hard to be a closer."

That's why there are 20 new ones ever year. Ha.

Kimbrel is already better than Rivera.
 
#3,104
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Mariano Rivera postseason stats:

-141 innings pitched

-8 wins 1 loss

-0.70 ERA

-0.75 WHIP

But I am sure any good starting pitcher from any era could do that, so totally not a big deal.
 
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TBrown said:
"It's insanely hard to be a closer."

That's why there are 20 new ones ever year. Ha.

Kimbrel is already better than Rivera.
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There are 20 news one every year because the 20 guys in front of them couldn't hack it!

Kimbrel has pitched 225 innings. Holla at me in 6 years and you can bet he won't be the same ole Killa Craig we know now.

Closer's dont have lasting power because it wears on you. Ask Papelbon, ask Gagne, ask K rod, ask insert whatever hot rod arm that was the next big thing and is now out of an arm or mop-up guy.

You know that buddy, come on now.
 
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Couldn't hack it? Or aren't good pitchers so they shuffle another guy in there to stumble across three outs before too more damage. The reason there are so few closers worth a damn is case they're starters until they can't hack it or their arm won't hold up anymore.

See: Mariano Rivera terrific FLAMEOUT as a starter.
 
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TBrown said:
Couldn't hack it? Or aren't good pitchers so they shuffle another guy in there to stumble across three outs before too more damage. The reason there are so few closers worth a damn is case they're starters until they can't hack it or their arm won't hold up anymore.

See: Mariano Rivera terrific FLAMEOUT as a starter.
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He did not discover his cutter until 1997
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Only a TRUE Yankee fan can confidently state who is a TRUE YANKEE and who isn't. I have no idea what the criteria are. I would guess that Reggie Jackson is a TRUE YANKEE, even though he didn't play his whole career there. Jim Leyritz was probably a TRUE YANKEE until the exact second he killed a woman while drunk driving, at which point he WAS NEVER A TRUE YANKEE ANYWAY. Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Hideki Irabu = TRUE YANKEES. Roger Clemens, Kevin Brown, Johnny Damon = NOT TRUE YANKEES.

I'm not aware of another team's fans that do this crap to anywhere near this degree. Is there one?
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Paul O'Neill played almost as many years for the Reds as he did for the Yankees.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
There are 20 news one every year because the 20 guys in front of them couldn't hack it!

Kimbrel has pitched 225 innings. Holla at me in 6 years and you can bet he won't be the same ole Killa Craig we know now.

Closer's dont have lasting power because it wears on you. Ask Papelbon, ask Gagne, ask K rod, ask insert whatever hot rod arm that was the next big thing and is now out of an arm or mop-up guy.

You know that buddy, come on now.
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Closers don't have lasting power because it ruins most pitchers' arms, not because they have mystical mental powers.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
:eek:lol:

Hitters have known that Mo was going to come at them with straight cutters for his entire career.
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Big difference in throwing it to three different guys once or twice in a weekend, and standing out there for two hours throwing it over and over to the same guys three times each.

If Rivera could start and be remotely as good as he's been as a reliever, then the Yankees have pissed away two thirds of his value over his career.
 
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TBrown said:
Well.. You did order the "gargantuan"
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I selected it because of its vast array of choice meats, not its size. Maybe there's no way to put all that meat on a smaller sandwich.

In any event, I will eat it again. Or at least a different one just like it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Big difference in throwing it to three different guys once or twice in a weekend, and standing out there for two hours throwing it over and over to the same guys three times each.

If Rivera could start and be remotely as good as he's been as a reliever, then the Yankees have pissed away two thirds of his value over his career.
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I'm sorry but I completely disagree. The cutter is the cutter. Guys knew he was going to throw it and could never hit it. Even on back to back nights. I'm willing to bet that most MLB hitters would disagree with your thoughts as well.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Closers don't have lasting power because it ruins most pitchers' arms, not because they have mystical mental powers.
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Ok ok I've been swayed. Closing is easy peasy. So easy id be willing to wager a Big John sandwich a properly trained monkey could do it. Be on the lookout for Chim Chim the flame throwing primate.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. The cutter is the cutter. Guys knew he was going to throw it and could never hit it. Even on back to back nights. I'm willing to bet that most MLB hitters would disagree with your thoughts as well.
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Then why didn't he start? Why'd they waste him in the bullpen, when clearly he could handle the workload?

We saw this with John Smoltz; he was a big asset out in the bullpen, but nowhere near as valuable as he'd been in the rotation. Which is why the Braves moved him back once they decided his arm could handle it. If you are right, then the Yankees are idiots.
 
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