Teacher fired for giving zeros

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luthervol said:
Every spring II see numerous public high school seniors walk across the stage at graduation that are headed to the best colleges in the nation, often on scholarship (even some full rides). Public education has some issues and some things that personally I would like to see changed However, any individual that wishes to work hard and take advantage of what is offered, the sky is the limit. That's what all of you guys say is beautiful about our economic system, why does the same not hold true for public education?
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It in fact does, with involved parents the sky is the limit. With 3 in college right now, I'll say I'm delaying my return for my next degree until the youngest gets hers finished.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
It in fact does, with involved parents the sky is the limit. With 3 in college right now, I'll say I'm delaying my return for my next degree until the youngest gets hers finished.
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Three? wow....I thought it was tough having two in college. Thank goodness for the Hope scholarship, Zell Miller, and a great k-12 public education.
 
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luthervol said:
Every spring II see numerous public high school seniors walk across the stage at graduation that are headed to the best colleges in the nation, often on scholarship (even some full rides). Public education has some issues and some things that personally I would like to see changed However, any individual that wishes to work hard and take advantage of what is offered, the sky is the limit. That's what all of you guys say is beautiful about our economic system, why does the same not hold true for public education?
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I got to where I am in spite of my parochial education, not because of it.
 
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luthervol said:
Every spring II see numerous public high school seniors walk across the stage at graduation that are headed to the best colleges in the nation, often on scholarship (even some full rides). Public education has some issues and some things that personally I would like to see changed However, any individual that wishes to work hard and take advantage of what is offered, the sky is the limit. That's what all of you guys say is beautiful about our economic system, why does the same not hold true for public education?
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Make public education more of a free market and see what happens. As it stands we can't tell if what you see every Spring is a result of the monopoly or happening despite the monopoly. What's wrong with a little competition?
 
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volinbham said:
Make public education more of a free market and see what happens. As it stands we can't tell if what you see every Spring is a result of the monopoly or happening despite the monopoly. What's wrong with a little competition?
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I'll pass. There's more than enough choice already. The negatives far outweigh the positives.
 
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luthervol said:
I'll pass. There's more than enough choice already. The negatives far outweigh the positives.
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Depends on where you live. The system here in Louisville greatly restricts choice of public school. We tried to move our oldest to a different school once the problems arose. They wouldn't let us without extenuating circumstances. You're effectively locked into your reside school with this system. We could have led about hardships or something, but I wasn't comfortable with that. My wife taught in the public schools here, and we're both products of public education. Believe me, we wanted it to work.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
The system here in Louisville greatly restricts choice of public school.
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I'm pretty sure that's most public school system. I do believe some allow you to choose a different school than the one you're zoned for but that requires a tuition fee. I know one of the reasons is because these school districts hate having that one school where everyone who wants to succeed wants to go to. In Knox county TN, those schools are Bearden and Farragut high schools. To prevent those schools from looking to inclusive (because good school=inclusive to these people) Knox county gerrymandered the zones to make sure lower income students would attend those schools. This has had a negative effect bon these schools because their scores have gone down and the school system is scratching thier heads on how it happened.
 
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Rishvol said:
I'm pretty sure that's most public school system. I do believe some allow you to choose a different school than the one you're zoned for but that requires a tuition fee. I know one of the reasons is because these school districts hate having that one school where everyone who wants to succeed wants to go to. In Knox county TN, those schools are Bearden and Farragut high schools. To prevent those schools from looking to inclusive (because good school=inclusive to these people) Knox county gerrymandered the zones to make sure lower income students would attend those schools. This has had a negative effect bon these schools because their scores have gone down and the school system is scratching thier heads on how it happened.
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You also important gang activity from the inner city. That happened about 4 years ago at Gibbs High School. A kid that was a gang member was going there and threatened to shoot people at school. They eventually removed him, and Knox County/Gibbs downplayed the incident. But then parents of kids at the school posted the actual story in the comments sections on local news sites and even provided the kid’s name. You could look him up on Facebook and see his gang pics and photos with drugs and such.

If the Schools are going to bus in kids from other areas, there needs to be a better screening system.
 
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davethevol said:
You also important gang activity from the inner city. That happened about 4 years ago at Gibbs High School. A kid that was a gang member was going there and threatened to shoot people at school. They eventually removed him, and Knox County/Gibbs downplayed the incident. But then parents of kids at the school posted the actual story in the comments sections on local news sites and even provided the kid’s name. You could look him up on Facebook and see his gang pics and photos with drugs and such.

If the Schools are going to bus in kids from other areas, there needs to be a better screening system.
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There's gang activity on every public school. I had a kid say he was in a gang in the middle of class without saying the words "I'm in a gang". These schools downplay it because they want the parents to feel safe sending their kids to public school.
 
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davethevol said:
You also important gang activity from the inner city. That happened about 4 years ago at Gibbs High School. A kid that was a gang member was going there and threatened to shoot people at school. They eventually removed him, and Knox County/Gibbs downplayed the incident. But then parents of kids at the school posted the actual story in the comments sections on local news sites and even provided the kid’s name. You could look him up on Facebook and see his gang pics and photos with drugs and such.

If the Schools are going to bus in kids from other areas, there needs to be a better screening system.
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My school in Knoxville was decent until they started busing in poor underprivileged undeserved socioeconomically disenfranchised youths. It did make for fun fight watching every single day after school. The lunchroom fights were fun. Luckily I missed the pepper spray in the hallway between classes incident. Last two years in school I was actually glad to be in all AP classes and able to leave early everyday. Got to avoid those poor underprivileged children who really just wanted to learn in a safe environment...
 
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Rishvol said:
I'm pretty sure that's most public school system. I do believe some allow you to choose a different school than the one you're zoned for but that requires a tuition fee. I know one of the reasons is because these school districts hate having that one school where everyone who wants to succeed wants to go to. In Knox county TN, those schools are Bearden and Farragut high schools. To prevent those schools from looking to inclusive (because good school=inclusive to these people) Knox county gerrymandered the zones to make sure lower income students would attend those schools. This has had a negative effect bon these schools because their scores have gone down and the school system is scratching thier heads on how it happened.
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I was think that if you lived in a zone where the school failed so e kind of standard you were free to transfer to another school that met those standards. Talking about Knox county.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
They just need an Edward James Olmos or a Loius Gossett Jr type teacher! You know, someone who "can relate". The kids really want to learn!..
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Those don’t come along often.
Hard to learn with the chaos and the fact that teachers cannot discipline children the way they need.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't even understand homework for K-12 in the first place, aside from big projects, book reports, etc. They have the kids in class for like 35 hours a week. That's plenty of time for government education. Daily homework is outdated, IMO.
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not really. see how checked out the kids are. they would learn nothing if they didn't have to do anything.

heck even at private school there was always one teacher I had that was so bad I had to teach myself when I got home because they were clueless in the classroom.
 
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luthervol said:
Every spring II see numerous public high school seniors walk across the stage at graduation that are headed to the best colleges in the nation, often on scholarship (even some full rides). Public education has some issues and some things that personally I would like to see changed However, any individual that wishes to work hard and take advantage of what is offered, the sky is the limit. That's what all of you guys say is beautiful about our economic system, why does the same not hold true for public education?
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no one is bashing the people who work hard. we are bashing a system that gives you a better grade for not working. that has nothing to do with someone improving themselves. that is the system lying to pretend that things are better doing more damage than making them deal with reality would.
 
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LouderVol said:
not really. see how checked out the kids are. they would learn nothing if they didn't have to do anything.
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Do it in class. They waste so much time. My old boss's kids cleaned out their desks on Monday and school wasn't out til Friday. That's 4 wasted days right there. That's an extreme example, but learning time like this is wasted all year round in k-12.

heck even at private school there was always one teacher I had that was so bad I had to teach myself when I got home because they were clueless in the classroom.
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Teachers sucking is its own problem.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do it in class. They waste so much time. My old boss's kids cleaned out their desks on Monday and school wasn't out til Friday. That's 4 wasted days right there. That's an extreme example, but learning time like this is wasted all year round in k-12.



Teachers sucking is its own problem.
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I don't see how homework is. except for the aforementioned idiot teachers my class time was spent well. I never had to study because I paid attention during class. no one else seemed to realize that.
 
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LouderVol said:
I don't see how homework is. except for the aforementioned idiot teachers my class time was spent well. I never had to study because I paid attention during class. no one else seemed to realize that.
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I went to two high schools. One was rigorous. At the other one, I rarely had homework. For me, it didn't make a difference. I aced chemistry, bio, and did OK in AP bio, and graduated from HS not really understanding the value of the scientific method and statistical significance. What a waste. If only I had done more worksheets about photosynthesis!
 
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My nieces are rich kids that go to Montessori. They do have homework, but my biggest takeaway is they have the kids teach each other. So if you're a 5th grader, you pair up with 4th graders to teach them long division. It keeps both parties engaged and the best way to learn something is to teach it, IMO.

Obviously, not every student is capable of this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I went to two high schools. One was rigorous. At the other one, I rarely had homework. For me, it didn't make a difference. I aced chemistry, bio, and did OK in AP bio, and graduated from HS not really understanding the value of the scientific method and statistical significance. What a waste. If only I had done more worksheets about photosynthesis!
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the lack of "good" homework doesn't preclude the necessity of it.

them focusing too much of photosynthesis is the real issue, not your homework on it.
 
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