Taking a Look at #53

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camp_steveo said:
Let's discuss your point.

UT has had a few good years lately, and CJ has been a contributor. Looks like the evidence is against you.
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I wouldn't call them "good" years. "Average" years more like it.

To me... Good years are 10 wins.

Great years are Championships.
 
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I agree with most jumper is not most talented kid and I would prefer bituli or so. So e with higher ceiling getti g reps but if there is this much disagreement over him I can't believe pee aren't losing their minds over Moseley being the starter at cb....love this kids heart as well but he's been burnt too ma y times to make up for good plays he's made. I reference this because 40-60 bomb quite frequently thrown over his head is more important than jumper. Just my opinion....if jumper has improved he won't wow you but should atleast keep explosive plays to bare mi imum
 
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Those that trash jumper. Let me remind everyone of a pretty good walk on linebacker everyone loved... Nick Reveiz. People choose who they root for for various reasons, but hating a kid like Jumper earning what he's earned is completely ridiculous. Nick Reveiz went along about the same path Jumper has, but was there nearly as much hate towards Nick? I mean it's just a thought
 
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MADISONGAVOL said:
I agree with most jumper is not most talented kid and I would prefer bituli or so. So e with higher ceiling getti g reps but if there is this much disagreement over him I can't believe pee aren't losing their minds over Moseley being the starter at cb....love this kids heart as well but he's been burnt too ma y times to make up for good plays he's made. I reference this because 40-60 bomb quite frequently thrown over his head is more important than jumper. Just my opinion....if jumper has improved he won't wow you but should atleast keep explosive plays to bare mi imum
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Also this is more about Martinez being his coach. Tools are there for Mosley, and I think Warren will finally have him playing at his best
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Those that trash jumper. Let me remind everyone of a pretty good walk on linebacker everyone loved... Nick Reveiz. People choose who they root for for various reasons, but hating a kid like Jumper earning what he's earned is completely ridiculous. Nick Reveiz went along about the same path Jumper has, but was there nearly as much hate towards Nick? I mean it's just a thought
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Nick was the only bright spot on that whole defense. Colton we are just hoping he wont be a weak link.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You know, we are an SEC team.

And he's probably gonna start on Monday.

So does that mean he WOULD start for any SEC team? And that he IS SEC quality?

I'm thinking yes, to both of those.

I'm also thinking our coaches know a hell of a lot more about SEC talent levels than any of us here in VolNation. And they're the ones picking him to start over all the other options.

Hmm....
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Or--it's just a true evidence of our overall LACK of SEC caliber talent at the position. This is my opinion.

No one has ever said that we don't like the guys on the team like Jumper...

But his scholarship offers were from UTC, Furman, Lehigh, and Wofford...and the Air Force Academy.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/news/_/id/146528/colton-jumper

I don't think any Big 5 BCS teams seriously considered and offered him a scholarship. Read it for yourself and see that neither GT, Wake Forest, or Vandy, OR TENNESSEE offered him a scholarship...

So, what we truly have in Jumper is a guy who is big enough to play the position, loves FB, loves the VOLS, and has an extremely high IQ...

But watching ALL of his film reveals that he does get himself in position to make a few good plays...but truly lacks SEC caliber physicality to get the job done.

The same could be said for Evan Berry and Cortez McDowell, too!

It's one of the reasons we really need to upgrade the LB position.....hopefully Bituli, Ignont, and some others will develop...

I miss the days when Chavis would take stud HS RBs and turn them into all-SEC LBs...that list is a very long one...maybe we are just recruiting wrong at the LB position?

:salute:
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Those that trash jumper. Let me remind everyone of a pretty good walk on linebacker everyone loved... Nick Reveiz. People choose who they root for for various reasons, but hating a kid like Jumper earning what he's earned is completely ridiculous. Nick Reveiz went along about the same path Jumper has, but was there nearly as much hate towards Nick? I mean it's just a thought
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Nick Reveiz was NOT a good LB!!!! :crazy:

He was a fan favorite because of his name and his stature as the "little man who thought he could, thought he could..."

His getting on the field was an evidence of just how terrible our talent at LB truly was during his time...
 
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Paul Johnson in the film room:

"See that 53 who can't get off blocks? We're running it at him every play."
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
This guy who can't get off blocks, right?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48vE0wi9v_Q[/youtube]
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Is that you pointing at the screen, JP?

That was truly a great play by 53...and it's the exact reason that I said to watch ALL OF THE FILM ON 53...

He does make a play here and there...and it was 3rd and 1...

and that play right there is the easiest for a LB to defend...getting past the TE's block is the easiest thing to do...and our DE on that side actually did a great job, too in defeating his man and disrupting the pulling guard...to prevent him from getting a hat on Jumper...


But for every one of those plays--there are 10 where he gets blown off, run over, run around, or is just too slow to get there to make a tackle until after the runner has gained 5+ yards on the play...
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Is that you pointing at the screen, JP?

That was truly a great play by 53...But for every one of those plays--there are 10 where he gets blown off, run over, run around, or is just too slow
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That's LSU Dad. Dude is hilarious. Worth watching some of his youtube videos, esp. the ones where he talks about the Vols.

Okay, I'm game if you are. I'll show one great CJ play, then you show 10 bad ones. I'll show another good one, you show another 10 bad ones. We'll go until someone gives up.

I just showed one great one, so your turn. Go. :)
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
The profootball focus ratings on jumper are intriguing. In fact, they inspire a good thought experiment.

Are they valid? Is it a rating you can set your clock to? Would the rating system break down if pursued in continuance, would the logic hold? Is this THE moneyball of football?

If so, are modern teams like bama missing the mark by recruiting all these 5 stars?

Is it possible to assemble an entire team of Jumpers? An entire team of low star, intelligent, hard working assignment football players. Apparently PFF says YES.

If they all got 85 and 86 ratings surely that team would go undefeated, correct? I mean, according to PFF jumper constantly outplayed Derek Barnett, and the entire team, even. Imagine an entire team of players that outplay the hyper productive value that a Derek Barnett offers.

WHOA! WE ARE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD!!!!!!!

Now dont tell me MLB is a position that doesnt require athleticism. Because "Bama" thinking says it does.

so lets do it. A team of 86 pff rated wonders. SEC champs baby. Will we win it all?



Or will we be Navy?
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bama runs base 3-4 they don't have a MLB perse
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Nick Reveiz was NOT a good LB!!!! :crazy:

He was a fan favorite because of his name and his stature as the "little man who thought he could, thought he could..."

His getting on the field was an evidence of just how terrible our talent at LB truly was during his time...
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Your first sentence requires revocation of any VFL privileges you lay claim to. Yes he definitely was a good LB. Maybe not great but he was good. Truthfully we were not at the peak of linebacker recruiting but we were not pure suckage. Jerod Mayo, RIco Mccoy, AJ,Marvin Mitchell, Herman Lathers Lamarcus Thompson. All good linebackers that played during his time. We did also have a lo of position changes and busts during that same period.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's LSU Dad. Dude is hilarious. Worth watching some of his youtube videos, esp. the ones where he talks about the Vols.

Okay, I'm game if you are. I'll show one great CJ play, then you show 10 bad ones. I'll show another good one, you show another 10 bad ones. We'll go until someone gives up.

I just showed one great one, so your turn. Go. :)
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1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc

ran by...begin at 7:58...UGA 1st offensive play...

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oipB8T5EeI

10:47....runs himself out of the play...not even paying attention to his reads...RB nor QB...

3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oipB8T5EeI

11:24...3rd and goal...

This was a great scheme play by Fla...and our D did not recognized the unbalanced formation and appropriately shift alignment to compensate...

first mistake--failure to recognize and align defense to defend the strong side and wide side of the field...and Fla goes on a quick count...

2nd mistake...not recognizing assignment to cover TE...Fla #30...

Some may say that our LB, #21 has that assignment, but that would be wrong...because he has to be the force on outside run...

In essence, Fla designed a play to take advantage of our WEAKNESS at the MLB position...it's a race for the MLB to recognize and cover the TE to the corner...

4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oipB8T5EeI

25:57....just a straight dive right at #53...self-explanatory...

5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oipB8T5EeI

26:44...steps up and cannot get off of the block...good thing other guys make the tackle...Jumper driven 3 yds downfield after stepping up...

6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oipB8T5EeI

41:35...another failure on D to shift DL over to address unbalanced line...and Jumper steps up and takes himself out of the play...not even reading the RB....

Of course...17 Bates' response to this play is even worse......but at least Jumper recovers to make the tackle 10 yards down the field...

This play is why I say that we have been absolutely TERRIBLE at LB...our LBs don't get us aligned properly...and don't step up and play the position properly...

7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc

23:47...UGA game....put him on roller skates....

8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc

25:40...takes a horrible angle and himself out of the play...this play is just terrible...

9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc

27:35...it really doesn't get much worse than this as an example of poor LB play by #53...

10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1mSZL6wSIc

34:28....nothing like just running around on the field not knowing where the ball is or how to pursue and make a tackle... Listen all the way thru 35:00 to hear Danielson express how terrible we are at the ILB position...

I didn't show any plays of Jumper's blitzing...but there's no point because he's completely ineffective on the blitz, too. He just runs up there and gets blocked...but in all fairness--it's the same with all of our LBs...

It just makes you wonder why Shoop even bothers to dial up the blitzes by our LBs...

So....there are 10 plays for you to find some reason to tell me exactly why I'm wrong about Jumper....again...

It only gets worst against aTm, Bama, KY, Mizzou, etc...etc....

The POINT is to be able to recognize that Jumper is not a SEC caliber LB by any stretch of the imagination. He's a walking liability on the field against SEC competition...

And NO, please don't waste any more of your own time--or mine, by continuing this madness...

Haven't you seen enough? :salute:
 
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pimo1 said:
Your first sentence requires revocation of any VFL privileges you lay claim to. Yes he definitely was a good LB. Maybe not great but he was good. Truthfully we were not at the peak of linebacker recruiting but we were not pure suckage. Jerod Mayo, RIco Mccoy, AJ,Marvin Mitchell, Herman Lathers Lamarcus Thompson. All good linebackers that played during his time. We did also have a lo of position changes and busts during that same period.
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I think you need to check your facts...

Mayo's last year at UT was 2007...went pro to Patriots after his Jr. year...Reveiz walked on and never saw the field that year...

Marvin Mitchell's Sr year was 2006...

AJ didn't arrive at UT until Reveiz had graduated...

Herman Lathers played the majority of his entire career injured in some way...

Lamarcus Thompson, are you kidding me??

I just can't help you if you think Nick was that good of a LB....it's just not true...
 
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MikeVol44 said:
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Haven't you seen enough? :salute:
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Actually, no, I haven't.

You showed me 10 plays, sure, but only a few of those were Jumper playing poorly. Let's say four of the ten.

Most of the others were you ignoring the fact of gap assignment defense. Your assumption seems to be that the MLB is free to spy the QB and RB every play. That's not my understanding of how our defense works.

On a typical play call in our D, each player in the box (4 down linemen, 2 or 3 LBs, maybe the NB, and maybe even a S) are assigned gaps. Each covers his gap, makes sure the play can't go that way. Only after defending that gap are they free to pursue the ball carrier going another way. Gap assignment defense.

Half of the plays you listed as Jumper being "out of position," he was covering his gap and the ball carrier went a totally different direction. That simply isn't Jumper's fault. On one of those, he even hustled across the field and (as you noted) made the tackle in spite of the RB going off the far side OT, well away from CJ's gap.

And then there was this play, your #4. Very interesting play for you to pick, because Jumper was blocked in the back by a lineman, and might otherwise have made the tackle at the LoS.

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I know some of them are really blurry, we work with what Youtube gives us, heh.

Orange arrow is always pointing at Jumper's back foot. Key point: in the first two captures, his body is facing to the right.

Red arrow is always pointing at the RB's helmet.

Green arrow is always pointing at the back shoulder of the FL offensive lineman who blocks Jumper in the back JUST as the RB gets to the line.

That block pushes Jumper out of the play at the key moment.

Now, I'm not saying Jumper would've made the tackle; that RB made a really nifty, nimble and quick shift inside, away from him. No way of knowing if Colton could've brought him down. But he was certainly in position to, until the 300-pound lineman landed on his back.

So...by my tally, you still owe me 6 more plays of Jumper playing poorly.

And this with me allowing you to cherry pick wherever you like. :)

Will wait for your next installment (note: the 4 plays I think you got more or less right were #1, #3, #7, and I gave you a freebie).

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Cherry-picking tape, in just about any game, can show that sometimes offenses drive the ball down the field and score (or, potentially score, even if fumbling on the 1 from a head's up play by someone other than the LB).
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You're right, Rex, but in this case, it's okay because this is the game Mike and I are playing. He gets to cherry-pick plays, 10 bad ones, for every good one I cherry-pick. Because he (Mike) stated that the ratio is 10:1. So I'm making him prove it. :)

But of course, you're right. If you cherry-pick wherever you like, you can find just about anything to make whatever point you wish. [in spite of this, Mike only scord 4 out of 10 on his first try, heh].

Go Vols!


EDIT and p.s., You should never use Gary Danielson as evidence of your point of view. On the play you mentioned, he talked about how Georgia ran it "right up the middle at Tennessee's inside linebackers," when the play was off right tackle...in other words, an outside run. That's Gary Danielson, for you.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Haven't you seen enough? :salute:
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6. Watch jumper on this next play, 2 plays later ( 13:50 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgO_s8SExm0

Totally takes himself out of the play -- wait, that's a GTech LB, but he looks to be playing as poorly (all season, and in the future) as jumper, right.

7. Look at him here ( 2:25 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZOUX5la-w

He went for the guy without the ball, and caused a 15 yrd penalty on top of that. Wait, that's a LB from another team.

8. And again ( 4:15 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZOUX5la-w

He totally gets handled, or just missed what some might say is an easy tackle btlos (I can't tell which of those LB's is jumper in this one).

9. And here ( 6:03 ), just trips over his own teammate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZOUX5la-w

10. 6:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZOUX5la-w

Totally mis-aligned to the right / supposing he should have known the play was up the midd.

Well, that's 10 more.

1 more: (6:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6ZOUX5la-w

Not expecting you to agree with me; just wanted to look at it further.
 
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