Systemic Racism

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Rickyvol77 said:
I started a new thread, because I keep asking this question of the "woke" crowd of posters but can't get an answer.

Please give me examples of "systematic racism' that African Americans face that prevent them from succeeding in America. I truly would like to see what the thoughts are on this.

I am also curious as to why this "systematic racism" doesn't affect Asians, Hispanics, Middle-Eastern races the same ways
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Whats the point if answering here if you aren’t going to accept it anyway? Even with the Floyd stuff and police brutality the best you can blame the officer, however can’t resist the “but” at the end.

I’ll give you an example, and I fully admit this is anecdotal, but you want examples.

I have a good friend who black. Doesn’t have a criminal record, is a part time teacher, part time tutor, and part time sound mixer for a small hip hop label. He drives a nice Lexus. On average and according to him he gets stopped by the police at least a few times a year, either while driving, or walking down the street with other black friends. A few times he has been searched, but most times it’s just to ask where he is going, what he is doing, etc.

I’m a 40-something white guy and I honestly can’t remember the last time I’ve been pulled over or stopped by the police for anything.

Now, I’m sure you are going to explain it away, and say obviously the police had some sort of reasonable cause to stop him...and maybe that is the case. But it’s odd that those reasonable causes never seem to get noticed with me, or maybe they are overlooked.

I take my anecdotal experience, and think to myself surely I’m not just that really lucky and my friend is just not that really unlucky, plus add in the criminal justice statistics, and sure....I can buy there is a systemic problem.

I’m not even bringing this up as an example of overt racism and I really don’t think it is. But there is something happening here, even if it is innocent. The problem and frustration is most times the ones doing it don’t or can’t notice they are.

Take that for what it’s worth, which is probably nothing with you.
 
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allvol123 said:
Perhaps you think too little of yourself.
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I did when I was younger and I saw people my age with nicer clothes, nicer cars, a future laid out for them on silver platters that came with the connections of their parents.

I hit a turning point after finishing college and paying for just about all of it myself. I moved forth out of spite, and that's when willpower kicked it. Started learning trades and doing things just for the sake of aptitude. Somewhere in all that I found my passions, and have been kicking the **** out those for years since.

After all that, I still think of pivotal moments and job interviews, when it often came down to me or someone else. I recognize that I may have claimed stations over better men, simply because of what I am.

Does that mean I think little of myself? No. Anyone who knows me in person would never accuse me of not having an inflated sense of self at times.

All it means is that we don't always deserve what we get, be they blessings or curses.
 
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hog88 said:
Artificially raising wages will lead to the COL skyrocketing even more.
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Wages have been woefully low for decades. This is the quagmire that people just ignore. If wages increased alongside of cost of living over the years, we wouldn’t have a massive discrepancy now. Yes, it will hurt COL up front, but that’s the price to be paid for corporations forgetting about their people and instead focused on profits.
 
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Septic said:
Here's a few links to issues for you to deny are true.

Why It Costs More to Borrow if You're Black

Disparity in home lending costs minorities millions, researchers find

Same Crime, More Time

Black defendants spend more time in jail for the same crimes. Something has to change | Column

The Impact of Structural Racism in Employment and Wages on Minority Women’s Health
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Picked one at random, but I've seen all of these before and it's always the same story.

There may be a number of contributing factors for the growing disparity in sentencing, including criminal history, says Sabol.
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You think maybe that's an important thing to correct for?

Let me draw this 20 mile line between racial disparity and the fact that it is caused by racist judges in a racist system. Not true. Not conducive to fixing anything.
 
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NashVol11 said:
When people actively refuse to read the specifics that are out there, specifics aren’t the problem. But there’s plenty of time for you and/or Ricky to learn about search engines
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But when you see stuff like “police arresting blacks people is racist” it’s not very specific or realistic
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I actually gave him a solution.

Sit down in person and ask someone of color how they think their life is different than his because of their color. He won't be behind the anonymity of his keyboard so he'll be more inclined to listen and less inclined being a smug piece of ****. That effect is universal.

He won't get that honest discussion here. When he's not surrounded by people like *you* slapping his ass in agreement, he's engaging in vile back and forths with people like me. No one comes here to change their opinions. Literally no one.
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Every person of color I’ve talked to (excluding criminals) have agreed with my view that racism is minimal in their lives
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I did when I was younger and I saw people my age with nicer clothes, nicer cars, a future laid out for them on silver platters that came with the connections of their parents.

I hit a turning point after finishing college and paying for just about all of it myself. I moved forth out of spite, and that's when willpower kicked it. Started learning trades and doing things just for the sake of aptitude. Somewhere in all that I found my passions, and have been kicking the **** out those for years since.

After all that, I still think of pivotal moments and job interviews, when it often came down to me or someone else. I recognize that I may have claimed stations over better men, simply because of what I am.

Does that mean I think little of myself? No. Anyone who knows me in person would never accuse me of not having an inflated sense of self at times.

All it means is that we don't always deserve what we get, be they blessings or curses.
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In specific instances we dont always deserve what we get. But if you work the plan, it usually works out.

We are behaving like there are millions working the plan, and not only is it not panning out, but there is a system that makes sure it doesnt work out.

Just not true.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Wages have been woefully low for decades. This is the quagmire that people just ignore. If wages increased alongside of cost of living over the years, we wouldn’t have a massive discrepancy now. Yes, it will hurt COL up front, but that’s the price to be paid for corporations forgetting about their people and instead focused on profits.
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Only wages for unskilled labor have not kept up with inflation.
 
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utvolpj said:
I think it's a system built over centuries that some believe should be solved in less than a generation
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Absolutely true. Whether people want to admit it or not, there’s latent bias in a lot of the choices we make. Thankfully, I’m less biased than my parents and my kids seem to be less biased than I am.
 
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Ok its simple. Black and white people use and distribute drugs at the same rate. There are more white people. If the system was fair as some of you believe the jails would be overflowing with white people and the drug incarceration would mirror the US population. Instead it is flipped around with more minorities incarcerated. There is no way to explain the discrepancy except for race based policing.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I started a new thread, because I keep asking this question of the "woke" crowd of posters but can't get an answer.

Please give me examples of "systematic racism' that African Americans face that prevent them from succeeding in America. I truly would like to see what the thoughts are on this.

I am also curious as to why this "systematic racism" doesn't affect Asians, Hispanics, Middle-Eastern races the same ways
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Short answer is that the black community spent the 100 years after slavery fighting Jim Crow while the black family was intact. That was then replaced by liberalism and drug infestation and the family unit was effectively destroyed. None of the issues over that time period really mattered to the larger society until it began to show up in the larger society just recently.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
This is a bootstrap crowd. They feel that if one person can pull themselves up that all people have the ability to do so. Never mind the generations of poverty growing up in the projects. You need money, you commit a crime, you go to jail, you get out, can’t get a job, back to needing money. Rinse repeat over and over and over again. So yes, it’s systemic. And no, I don’t know the answer. The government, whether it be republican or Democrat, has **** all over these people and has done nothing to help alleviate the problem.
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Then don’t commit crimes. There are ways to work hard and up without robbing someone
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Every person of color I’ve talked to (excluding criminals) have agreed with my view that racism is minimal in their lives
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I don't imagine you have a friendly relationship with any black people who actually like and fellowship with other black people.
 
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hog88 said:
Only wages for unskilled labor have not kept up with inflation.
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Guess what? Tons of people rely on retail work as their livelihood. Without them, this country would collapse. So we know how important they are, yet we continually pay them ****.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Again, you’re painting with a broad brush. Just because it worked for you doesn’t mean it works for everyone. There are plenty of people stuck in that situation and want nothing more than to get out and they can’t.
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Because of their own choices. What is keeping someone from the situation
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
We are literally only 50 years removed from Black people being considered inferior both legally and socially. There are millions of people still alive today who still believe that. To act like we should already be “over” the problem is literally just sticking your head in the sand.
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So give me a number. I personally don’t think racism will ever just go away. Some people, of all races, will always have that hate in them. As long as they have zero impact on someone’s life who gives a s***. Theres a false narrative being pushed that black people are somehow being targeted and discriminated against at every turn. It just isn’t the case.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Guess what? Tons of people rely on retail work as their livelihood. Without them, this country would collapse. So we know how important they are, yet we continually pay them ****.
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Ok, pay them more and guess what happens? The cost of the goods they sell will rise accordingly and nothing will change.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Short answer is that the black community spent the 100 years after slavery fighting Jim Crow while the black family was intact. That was then replaced by liberalism and drug infestation and the family unit was effectively destroyed. None of the issues over that time period really mattered to the larger society until it began to show up in the larger society just recently.
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More like drugs were directed towards communities of color while conservative policies hindered the black family and community.
 
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