Systemic Racism

[allvol123]

I actually gave him a solution.

Sit down in person and ask someone of color how they think their life is different than his because of their color. He won't be behind the anonymity of his keyboard so he'll be more inclined to listen and less inclined being a smug piece of ****. That effect is universal.

He won't get that honest discussion here. When he's not surrounded by people like *you* slapping his ass in agreement, he's engaging in vile back and forths with people like me. No one comes here to change their opinions. Literally no one.

Why would I care about their different life?

And at this point you're implying all black people have the same, different life? Seems pretty ignorant to make that claim.

Is one going to tell me they fear being murdered in Knoxvillle by a police officer because of their skin color? If so, why do I care about their irrational fear?

 

[Ten_Titans]

Implicit racial bias and the anatomy of institutional racism | Centre for Crime and Justice Studies

There is no direct link between implicit bias and any particular behavior, and there is no evidence implicit bias training works across time.

It is ghost chasing that makes for a great catch all when actual science can't explain your talking point.

 

[Septic]

I started a new thread, because I keep asking this question of the "woke" crowd of posters but can't get an answer.

Please give me examples of "systematic racism' that African Americans face that prevent them from succeeding in America. I truly would like to see what the thoughts are on this.

I am also curious as to why this "systematic racism" doesn't affect Asians, Hispanics, Middle-Eastern races the same ways

Here's a few links to issues for you to deny are true.

Why It Costs More to Borrow if You're Black

Disparity in home lending costs minorities millions, researchers find

Same Crime, More Time

Black defendants spend more time in jail for the same crimes. Something has to change | Column

The Impact of Structural Racism in Employment and Wages on Minority Women’s Health

 

[allvol123]

This is a bootstrap crowd. They feel that if one person can pull themselves up that all people have the ability to do so. Never mind the generations of poverty growing up in the projects. You need money, you commit a crime, you go to jail, you get out, can’t get a job, back to needing money. Rinse repeat over and over and over again. So yes, it’s systemic. And no, I don’t know the answer. The government, whether it be republican or Democrat, has **** all over these people and has done nothing to help alleviate the problem.

I grew up impoverished. The system isnt broken, the mindset is.

And it starts with the constant excuse making.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I grew up impoverished. The system isnt broken, the mindset is.

And it starts with the constant excuse making.

Again, you’re painting with a broad brush. Just because it worked for you doesn’t mean it works for everyone. There are plenty of people stuck in that situation and want nothing more than to get out and they can’t.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Why would I care about their different life?

And at this point you're implying all black people have the same, different life? Seems pretty ignorant to make that claim.

Is one going to tell me they fear being murdered in Knoxvillle by a police officer because of their skin color? If so, why do I care about their irrational fear?

You don't have to, and what you just vividly described is what privilege looks like.

And hey, I support your freedom to enjoy it, 100%. You will never find me in support of suppressing opinions and the freedom to express them. Voltaire had a quote about that.

However, it doesn't change the fact that tens of millions care. They're out there showing you that right this second. It's more widespread than we thought. Change is coming whether either of us agree with it or not. I do, so I'm hopeful.

 

[hog88]

Curtailing systemic economic disadvantage starts with raising standards and holding everyone to the same high standards.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I grew up impoverished. The system isnt broken, the mindset is.

And it starts with the constant excuse making.

Seems a little ignorant for you to paint with that broad brush you accused me of using.

I too grew up poor and did not meet my affluent father until I was already well on my way to hitting my marks. I realize I have an insane amount of willpower and not everyone is blessed with it. I also realize I would have needed a lot more without my last name being what it is or my skin being the color it is.

 

[allvol123]

Again, you’re painting with a broad brush. Just because it worked for you doesn’t mean it works for everyone. There are plenty of people stuck in that situation and want nothing more than to get out and they can’t.

Well we just disagree. If you cant climb the ladder in the past 40 years in this country, I think you are lazy and/or a liar.

And I painted with a specific brush, my life. Had very little, worked hard, have plenty. Not a tough formula.

 

[utvolpj]

This is a bootstrap crowd. They feel that if one person can pull themselves up that all people have the ability to do so. Never mind the generations of poverty growing up in the projects. You need money, you commit a crime, you go to jail, you get out, can’t get a job, back to needing money. Rinse repeat over and over and over again. So yes, it’s systemic. And no, I don’t know the answer. The government, whether it be republican or Democrat, has **** all over these people and has done nothing to help alleviate the problem.

FL has been very successful with their diversion programs even with objective from his like Judd. It's a great step to try and prevent the cycle

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Curtailing systemic economic disadvantage starts with raising standards and holding everyone to the same high standards.

How about having a livable wage for everybody no matter the job? Want people to pull themselves up? Pay them more.

 

[golfballs]

WSJ | The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

 

[Ten_Titans]

This is a bootstrap crowd. They feel that if one person can pull themselves up that all people have the ability to do so. Never mind the generations of poverty growing up in the projects. You need money, you commit a crime, you go to jail, you get out, can’t get a job, back to needing money. Rinse repeat over and over and over again. So yes, it’s systemic. And no, I don’t know the answer. The government, whether it be republican or Democrat, has **** all over these people and has done nothing to help alleviate the problem.

Everyone does have the ability to pull themselves up. We have one of the widest social safety nets in the world. Saying anybody has to commit violent crime just to stay alive in this country is a lie.

Let me be perfectly clear: racism in this country leading back to slavery absolutely led to the cause and effect of where we are now. It would be complete denial to say otherwise.

Two things:

1) There are aspects of black communities that have gotten worse since Jim Crow. Single motherhood rate, violent crime rate, and high school drop out rate to name just a few. There is a culture problem in poor communities that isn't the result of some implicit racist edict from the government.

2) It isn't that the government SHOULDN'T fix the problems black people have, it's that it CAN'T. All the government is doing is creating an entire class of people that are completely reliant on the government. That isn't going to cut it.

If we had as much national enthusiasm about people in black communities taking personal responsibility for their lives as we do about fighting imaginary injustice, I'm positive problems could improve rather quickly.

 

[allvol123]

Seems a little ignorant for you to paint with that broad brush you accused me of using.

I too grew up poor and did not meet my affluent father until I was already well on my way to hitting my marks. I realize I have an insane amount of willpower and not everyone is blessed with it. I also realize I would have needed a lot more without my last name being what it is or my skin being the color it is.

Perhaps you think too little of yourself.

 

[k-town_king]

First off, systemic is the word you're fumbling for.

Second... considering you have spent the past 45 days arguing against literally every single blatant example of its existence, I don't think anyone is going to be particularly motivated to do your homework for you. If you actually sought to understand in lieu of entrenching yourself in the notion that everyone has the exact same opportunity and pathways to success regardless of skin, then you might have a viable thread here. If you actually give two ****s, do your own research and listen instead of constantly running your mouth in denial that you inherently have it easier because your skin is white as rice.

In b4 "so you don't have examples."

There are tons, but it's not on me to show you something so obvious. My suggestion for you is to sit down with a person of color and listen. Stop running your mouth for once, and just ****ing listen.

My 2 cents. Good luck with your echo chamber thread. I'm sure justin will be along shortly to stroke your e-dick.

Preach.

Mods lock the thread. All that needs to be said has been said.

 

[hog88]

How about having a livable wage for everybody no matter the job? Want people to pull themselves up? Pay them more.

Will change nothing because the cost of living will trend upwards with wages.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Will change nothing because the cost of living will trend upwards with wages.

********. The cost of living has sky rocketed yet wages stay the same.

 

[C-south]

I think it's a system built over centuries that some believe should be solved in less than a generation

So it should takes centuries to fix? Why can’t it be as simple as granting equality for all? Black people that have wanted to thrive have been doing so for a long time. Like many have stated, why does every other race thrive yet blacks claim to be discriminated against? They say that while we have countless laws and programs that give blacks an unjustified leg up on virtually everyone else. How long should that happen? At some point you have to wonder what will be enough and will anything ever be enough. More so that racist issues there are cultural issue that nobody can change in people that don’t want to change. Crying racism is always easier than addressing the big picture and blaming individuals for their own actions.

 

[hog88]

********. The cost of living has sky rocketed yet wages stay the same.

Artificially raising wages will lead to the COL skyrocketing even more.

 

[allvol123]

Artificially raising wages will lead to the COL skyrocketing even more.

Economics and history arent taught with great success.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

So it should takes centuries to fix? Why can’t it be as simple as granting equality for all? Black people that have wanted to thrive have been doing so for a long time. Like many have stated, why does every other race thrive yet blacks claim to be discriminated against? They say that while we have countless laws and programs that give blacks an unjustified leg up on virtually everyone else. How long should that happen? At some point you have to wonder what will be enough and will anything ever be enough. More so that racist issues there are cultural issue that nobody can change in people that don’t want to change. Crying racism is always easier than addressing the big picture and blaming individuals for their own actions.

We are literally only 50 years removed from Black people being considered inferior both legally and socially. There are millions of people still alive today who still believe that. To act like we should already be “over” the problem is literally just sticking your head in the sand.

 

[k-town_king]

There's tons of examples of systemic racism. All you have to do is assume every ethnic disparity between black people and the rest of Americans is because of an inherent racist system.

It is just like having the feminist wage gap argument. Racial disparity is not evidence of racism. Racist policy or racist actions are evidence of racism.

It's a tired argument so I don't really care about having it anymore. I just tell people good luck fixing the racist system when you can't even find a racist person or policy in it.

I can think of a bunch of things to give black people a better chance in life to do great things. Lower the single motherhood rate. Lower the violent crime rate. Lower the high school drop out rate. System must be super racist because all of those things have gotten worse even since Jim Crow.

All symptoms and not causes. You are ignoring the institutional racism that cause the problems.

 

[tennvols77]

This is a bootstrap crowd. They feel that if one person can pull themselves up that all people have the ability to do so. Never mind the generations of poverty growing up in the projects. You need money, you commit a crime, you go to jail, you get out, can’t get a job, back to needing money. Rinse repeat over and over and over again. So yes, it’s systemic. And no, I don’t know the answer. The government, whether it be republican or Democrat, has **** all over these people and has done nothing to help alleviate the problem.

All true. However, repeating the same thing over and over with same result is.......

Why keep voting for the same empty lip service. Why depend on anyone else, but, you.

White or African American or Hispanic, poor is poor, and the cycle is hard to get out of and requires more work, dedication, commitment, sacrifice, and luck than those who have more options and opportunity available and afforded them by resources and standing financially and through the social circles that also present more opportunities.....sometime it's who you know right.......

I've been way poor and poverty stricken, and I've/been fortunate enough to be extremely wealthy, and being poor sucked, and was a different mindset daily as opposed to the other side.

I also have spent a lot of time and money trying to do what I could to help (do my part) people in the worst conditions and situations of poverty.

I saw first hand that at the end of the day, ultimately, the individual will either overcome, or succumb and quit, they lose or have no hope. It was hard. You see way more failures than the successes. Life pounds them down and they begin to actually believe it is not possible.

The one thing I saw most of that affected the youth and their will to achieve or not, wasn't the broken family situation, it was their peers who were the worst influence and ultimately, made them change how they wanted to view the world, and began to think it was something other than hopeful. Sad to see promise lost.

I don't know the answer either.......

 

[golfballs]

Implicit racial bias and the anatomy of institutional racism | Centre for Crime and Justice Studies

So some psychologist thinks that white people (and black people) in England are racists and they don’t even know it. Not surprised. Europe is very racist.

 

[utvolpj]

We are literally only 50 years removed from Black people being considered inferior both legally and socially. There are millions of people still alive today who still believe that. To act like we should already be “over” the problem is literally just sticking your head in the sand.

If you were hit with water canons and chased by police dogs for using the wrong bathroom you should just get over it. Also do not tell those stories to future generations