Swain not impressed with Wells hire.

[Vato]

Said that Wells was one of 3 OL Coaches last year with Mahoney and Debord.
Swain says if all 3 put out a bad product last year, how will now just one of them coaching alone put out a better product.

He might have the only offensive line word instead of debord making him coach his style. We will find out soon.

 

[livefaith]

OK. Concerning the Wells hire.

#1 None of us here probably could pick him out of a police lineup. So, anything for sure and ain't found here.

#2 As LK said above, we have to keep the economic factor in mind.

#3 Jones may see Wells as a good player coach who needs more influence. Only our staff really knows if he's effective e players. They must see something + there.

#4 Maybe he has the "it" factor we're looking for in recruiting. As has been quoted, he's got great people skills and even connections. Some people just have that and some don't. Butch may see a good bridge builder on the recruiting trail. If so, his energy there is invaluable.

#5 Many are glad for the hire. Just like many are happy w a new President with no public policy experience. Why? Look at what we had(had to choose from) and it all makes sense. Fans are glad Mahoney's gone bc the perception is that he's a bad coach. So Wells could be 1 notch above Satan, and we're glad.

#6 With our returning talent, experience, hopeful good health, and offseason S&C, I expect that Wells becomes an amazing OL coach. This is a gold mine situation for him.

 

[jakez4ut]

Lol...My bad. I should hang out here more.

Yes...He did stiff me for an autograph once, but it wasn't intentional. He was jumping up and down trying to get my attention...I mistook him for a child trying to see over the crowd, so I let him cut line. He's not very tall.

lol:

So basically, too bad the offense couldn't play defense. Got it.

in a sense, this is actually correct. for a coach that preaches complimentary football so much, there were times during the 2nd half of the season, that our offense just didn't help the defense too much. we either scored, or went 3 and out (seemingly anyway). we put our defense on the field alot, and in games against MO, KY, USCe, and Vandy, there were times where we really just needed to posses the ball, and get first downs.

it's hard to complain about that in one regard, because we did score so much. so it comes off as nit picking to say "we scored too fast", but if you think about it, the biggest criticism you should have about the offense is that it couldn't sustain drives...there was a definite point in the season where the offense had to protect the defense, and in those games where our offense couldn't go up and down the field, it hurt. we had to win in shootout fashion.

i know how that sounds. and it is hard to criticize the offense after seeing the points/game etc...but looking at the fine print, so to speak, our offense wasn't really capable of sustaining drives, and possessing the ball, in an effort to keep our defense off the field, and limit the opponents opportunities. cause we weren't stopping anybody.

Sc, App State, and Bama are the only 3 games that come to mind where our offense couldn't get it going. Every other game, we rang up the scoreboard and moved the ball up and down the field. Hard to win games when you can't stop anyone, which seemed to be the case from the Texas A&M game on.

see my post above. in games where we got challenged by a defense, we couldn't grind out drives, when our defense really needed us to be able to. and you could add vandy to that list as well.

and going back to the VT and FL games, those 1st halves were not exactly awe inspiring, and it didn't look like in those games we'd have an offense that would set any records.

again, i know how all that sounds, and i expect the usual response, given the scoring record etc....

just sayin'.

 

[Vato]

Everyone knows if your boss horrible it is hard to be a really successful person below them as they make a lot of the final strategic decisions.

Maybe ridding ourselves of one person who may have been hurting will make it much better?

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[Backwards K]

I just look at it as a way to take my mind off of more serious issues going on in the world or my own personal existence. I may get fired up during a game, but 5 minutes after the game I'm over it. Not going to let something I have 0 control over ruin the rest of my day. That being said, at least we are not Alabama where they shoot each other if they lose (See the kick 6 game against Auburn)

However, it is fun to identify the posters who take this way too seriously and then gig them and get them fired up. Of course, that is why I also CC because they may find out who I really am!!lol:

 

[sjt18]

It all goes back to the lack of O-line play. If the QB doesn't have the time to let the WRs run their routes or let a play develop, the WRs are going to suffer. Games are won and lost in the trenches. I think the biggest swing and miss by Butch was letting the players push Lawson out the door only to bring in the crossfit fat guy that had our lineman looking weak all year long. We won 9 games in spite of poor line play on both sides of the ball. Hopefully bringing in an NFL strength and conditioning coordinator will right the ship.

It does work together but the WR's didn't play well even when the QB had time. One of the things I noticed most is that UT's WR's couldn't seem to get off coverage and create separation. This is the first year I can remember a UT WR (Malone) regularly get behind coverage.

It just shouldn't take this long to get production from WR's.

UT's OL issues pre-date the departure of Lawson. They basically haven't been good since the first year when he had guys who have been coached by Pittman. According to many here, the S&C program was terrible that developed those guys. But oddly, they seemed to be able to handle opponents physically and avoid getting injured every other snap.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

How is Jones' record at UT above average... barely or otherwise?

Other than that, good post. I don't agree that it is that hopeless. But agree the D hires reflect Jones letting go while the O choices demonstrate that he's tightening his grip if nothing else.

Trying to be kind to Jones and his .588 winning percentage at UT with the above average comment.

Giving him the pass for a couple of seasons post Dooley seems fair. He doesn't deserve the lifetime achievement award for scraping his way into bowl games and choking away Eastern divisions though.

I never said the situation is or was hopeless. These hires may work out great. They may also be the death knell for Jones and his time at UT.

Personally think this season hinges on major improvement from the defense and an O line protecting inexperienced QB's along with the health of Kelly. If he goes down, this running game could be in trouble.

From the outside looking in, I can see why people like Swain aren't impressed, especially on the offensive side.

Promoting Scott is very risky considering his experience at running an offense. Wells and Canales bring nothing to the table based on resumes either. Like you said, this offense ultimately falls on one person though.

 

[aredfox28]

I love how some of you get on swain and bash him. He's forgot more football than most of you guys will ever know.

 

[sjt18]

Trying to be kind to Jones and his .588 winning percentage at UT with the above average comment.

Giving him the pass for a couple of seasons post Dooley seems fair. He doesn't deserve the lifetime achievement award for scraping his way into bowl games and choking away Eastern divisions though.

I never said the situation is or was hopeless. These hires may work out great. They may also be the death knell for Jones and his time at UT.

Personally think this season hinges on major improvement from the defense and an O line protecting inexperienced QB's along with the health of Kelly. If he goes down, this running game could be in trouble.

From the outside looking in, I can see why people like Swain aren't impressed, especially on the offensive side.

Promoting Scott is very risky considering his experience at running an offense. Wells and Canales bring nothing to the table based on resumes either. Like you said, this offense ultimately falls on one person though.

Agree with everything except this. I don't think we should believe that Scott is running the offense.

 

[jakez4ut]

Trying to be kind to Jones and his .588 winning percentage at UT with the above average comment.

Giving him the pass for a couple of seasons post Dooley seems fair. He doesn't deserve the lifetime achievement award for scraping his way into bowl games and choking away Eastern divisions though.

I never said the situation is or was hopeless. These hires may work out great. They may also be the death knell for Jones and his time at UT.

Personally think this season hinges on major improvement from the defense and an O line protecting inexperienced QB's along with the health of Kelly. If he goes down, this running game could be in trouble.

From the outside looking in, I can see why people like Swain aren't impressed, especially on the offensive side.

Promoting Scott is very risky considering his experience at running an offense. Wells and Canales bring nothing to the table based on resumes either. Like you said, this offense ultimately falls on one person though.

this is fair.:thumbsup:

 

[BGKYVol]

Trying to be kind to Jones and his .588 winning percentage at UT with the above average comment.

Giving him the pass for a couple of seasons post Dooley seems fair. He doesn't deserve the lifetime achievement award for scraping his way into bowl games and choking away Eastern divisions though.

I never said the situation is or was hopeless. These hires may work out great. They may also be the death knell for Jones and his time at UT.

Personally think this season hinges on major improvement from the defense and an O line protecting inexperienced QB's along with the health of Kelly. If he goes down, this running game could be in trouble.

From the outside looking in, I can see why people like Swain aren't impressed, especially on the offensive side.

Promoting Scott is very risky considering his experience at running an offense. Wells and Canales bring nothing to the table based on resumes either. Like you said, this offense ultimately falls on one person though.

Wisdom passed down from on high by another expert with an unbelievable string of success coaching his 8 year olds' flag football team, not to mention his four year career as the waterboy for his HS football team

 

[chargervol]

I love how some of you get on swain and bash him. He's forgot more football than most of you guys will ever know.

No need to bash him over what he said here, but him having played football, doesn't mean all of his opinions are fact.
We have several former players, not only at UT but in the NFL, who come on our sports shows and give opposing opinions.
People seem to only defend or bash a former player, when they agree/disagree with what they said.

In this case, I disagree with the three coaches versus one coach comment. Not because I believe I know about more about football but because anyone who's ever worked a normal job knows the saying "too many chiefs".

 

[CAVPUT]

If the guy is a hot shot recruiter and highly respected in mid state, I'm on board with giving him a fair shake. Still have no idea how relationships got so out of kilter between Butch and the mid state area, but I'm all for doing any and everything to correct that situation. Just hope it's in time to reap rewards in next years recruiting class. A bit tired of our best going out of state to play ball.

 

[goooooovols]

I love how some of you get on swain and bash him. He's forgot more football than most of you guys will ever know.

Whatever.....I'm sure in reality the football knowledge may be closer than you think. His constant negativity is tiring and purely for listeners...being controversial is what keeps him on the air. He has no idea if Wells is a better fit and just because someone is on the staff doesn't necessarily mean their techniques or opinions are being applied to the fullest, most appropriate degree. Our line needs to add strength and toughness imo, let's hope this happens, if not we are going to get pushed around again this year.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Wisdom passed down from on high by another expert with an unbelievable string of success coaching his 8 year olds' flag football team, not to mention his four year career as the waterboy for his HS football team

Ah...yes.

Another VN sage who can't actually form cognizant thoughts to interject his opinion into the discussion so he throws out time-worn insults to cover up his insecurities.

You are in a long and incredibly boring line my friend.

 

['Boro-vol]

Wisdom passed down from on high by another expert with an unbelievable string of success coaching his 8 year olds' flag football team, not to mention his four year career as the waterboy for his HS football team

Ease up...."based on resumes" would seem to be an important part of his assertion, which I see you conveniently failed to highlight.

Please, to be consistent, refrain from commenting on anything that you don't have expensive personal experience in in the future, be it politics, economics,sports,religion....Whatever.

 

[zballvol]

I love how some of you get on swain and bash him. He's forgot more football than most of you guys will ever know.

I hear ya Jayson

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Agree with everything except this. I don't think we should believe that Scott is running the offense.

I can definitely see this line of reasoning. Jones has alluded to having the offense scripted several times before and we know who is penning it.

By risky, it's another hire that probably doesn't bring anything new to the table though.

 

[Vato]

I love how some of you get on swain and bash him. He's forgot more football than most of you guys will ever know.

Listening to his show, he reminds everyone how he still knows more than everyone else. If he is such a good football guy, why not get off the radio and coach somewhere. I am not bashing him but the same crap is said about guys on other networks. PF knows some stuff and so do guys on his show, most on here bash them.

 

[volnbama_]

Wells has a good resume. Swain should shut up and give him a chance.

He has a lot to prove. Calling his resume good at this point is a stretch

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Wisdom passed down from on high by another expert with an unbelievable string of success coaching his 8 year olds' flag football team, not to mention his four year career as the waterboy for his HS football team

As a side note, your community is in the hearts and minds of the nation.

#neverforgetBGKYnonmassacre

 

[Vato]

As a side note, your community is in the hearts and minds of the nation.

#neverforgetBGKYnonmassacre

Bahahahaha

 

[hohenfelsvol]

They scored more TDs and had more yards than the teams led by Peyton Manning!! You do understand that there is an offense and a defense that both have to produce, right?

38 pts vs A&M and 34 pts vs Vandy should have been enough to win. Heck, South Carolina didn't score more than 14 pts against any SEC defenses but UT and Missouri. So 21 pts was enough to win that one too.

Not only do you not know much about football, you didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn this year!!

You need to get with Boro Vol, he knows everything about football, he can enlighten you.

Keep pumping the sunshine.

 

[volfannbama]

Where have you been? CBJ is blasted more on this board and by the local media than the fake news networks blast Trump.

Did Butch Jones stiff you for an autograph at some point?

I think thats the point. Why is anything anyone that doesnt bask in the glory of CBJ worth talking about in a thread?
Swaim isnt impressed with a hire, okay great, lets bash Jayson Swain.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

There were times when it was ugly against SC, App State etc, but really, I'm not sure how much else we were going to get out of the offense last year.

So much left on the field from an offense stand point. Debord was great when the scheme worked. When it didn't he couldn't adjust.