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SubVet676 said:
Next year will be year six. At some point, you have to stop reaching into the excuse jar for the next slip of paper. Fix what needs to be fixed, or hope that the next guy does.
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Some would rather look for and make excuses rather than face the prospects that this coach and his staff aren't so great at evals and development.

Won't belabor the points of winning with Frost and Pruitt recruits then seeing the decline. The portal may be Heupels saving grace. He might be able to buy other coaching staff's more finished products and ride that to success?

Without the portal, I'd doubt Heupel would last more than another year or so at UT. Let's see if big money still believes in Heupel enough to keep funding the program. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd keep writing those checks.
 
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Nooga said:
UGA roster is 2nd youngest. And the two teams couldn’t look more different.
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Exactly! The caliber of athletes and development of those athletes couldnt be more night and day!

And before anyone brings up "we were a field goal away..." nonsense, the Georgia team we played in September would get annihilated by the Georgia team that beat Alabama in the SEC CG, as would we! The development and progression/improvement over the course of the 2025 season between us and Georgia are on two different planets!
 
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vegasvolfan said:
Agreed. I’m tired of hearing how developed guys LOOK. We had a bunch of upper extremity injuries including David Sanders’. People keep commenting on how much weight he put on, but it was soft weight.

Our guys look nothing like these championship teams, and the most telling fact is that they get pushed around by teams—including those with less talent.

Banks was the 3rd guy on my list that needed to go—but somehow he went first. Elarbee second, and Kurt Schmidt first.

My reason for believing we should let go of Schmidt first, is because I believe there is a real possibility performance across the board would improve if our S&C improved. Otherwise, we are kind of making blind fires.

The reason I am so keen on this situation is because I remember how Tennessee’s team absolutely tanked after losing Dave Lawson under Butch Jones. If I recall correctly, Butch ended up promoting Michael Szerszen from within, and I remember thinking it was a terrible move to begin with. I blamed Butch for years until I learned how handcuffed he was by Mike Hamilton who apparently wouldn’t spring for a top notch guy.

I just posted about Butch Jones in another thread. He did so many cringeworthy things, it made it easy for so many to pile on. But his achievements everywhere else have been notable, and he experienced mild success here for a couple of years. Losing Lawson hurt him badly, and getting a top guy in that role would help Huepel greatly.
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Dave Hart was the AD.
 
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Mountvol said:
I knew his name well before he left bama to coach at UGA. And yes you can trace back Alabama no longer being the elite program it was for over a decade when he left bama after the 2019. They haven’t one another title since the year after he left in 2020
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So all those years Saban was getting credit for the S&C coach winning titles lol

The downfall of elite bubba was NIL and the transfer portal. No longer stacking a roster with 30K and a Dodge Charger.
 
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Bigorangefan 98 said:
Georgia has by far best s and c. Program. It’s apparent on the field .Look at their physic and physical play
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And again, I'm going to say it. A 45lb weight weighs the same in Tennessee as it does in Georgia, as it does in Alabama, as it does in Oklahoma, as it does in Texas, etc. Also, here in 2025, its not like there's a bunch of untapped science/techniques when it comes to body development. Georgia doesnt have the best S&C Program because Scott Sinclair knows certain things the other S&C coaches dont. It comes down to two things, and two things only...

1. The caliber of athletes you recruit and

2. Holding said athletes to a level of standards and accountability to reach the milestones they are required to reach.

The last good S&C coach we had was Dave Lawson under Butch. And Butch fired him at the request of his players because he was stupid enough to listen to them when they said big bad Lawson was too mean and hard on them!
 
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barney said:
People won’t admit it, but a lot of our success in Heupel’s first 3 seasons occurred because of the scouting and recruiting that took place under pruitt.

Heupel got the offense figured out schematically which was the missing piece of the puzzle. We have to get bigger and stronger as a team, especially on defense.
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Pruitt's big problem was QB. And then he decided that the covid year didn't count. They probably would ahve fogiven him all of that if he had one shred of likeability.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
And again, I'm going to say it. A 45lb weight weighs the same in Tennessee as it does in Georgia, as it does in Alabama, as it does in Oklahoma, as it does in Texas, etc. Also, here in 2025, its not like there's a bunch of untapped science/techniques when it comes to body development. Georgia doesnt have the best S&C Program because Scott Sinclair knows certain things the other S&C coaches dont. It comes down to two things, and two things only...

1. The caliber of athletes you recruit and

2. Holding said athletes to a level of standards and accountability to reach the milestones they are required to reach.

The last good S&C coach we had was Dave Lawson under Butch. And Butch fired him at the request of his players because he was stupid enough to listen to them when they said big bad Lawson was too mean and hard on them!
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50 lb weights and above have different weights.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
And again, I'm going to say it. A 45lb weight weighs the same in Tennessee as it does in Georgia, as it does in Alabama, as it does in Oklahoma, as it does in Texas, etc. Also, here in 2025, its not like there's a bunch of untapped science/techniques when it comes to body development. Georgia doesnt have the best S&C Program because Scott Sinclair knows certain things the other S&C coaches dont. It comes down to two things, and two things only...

1. The caliber of athletes you recruit and

2. Holding said athletes to a level of standards and accountability to reach the milestones they are required to reach.

The last good S&C coach we had was Dave Lawson under Butch. And Butch fired him at the request of his players because he was stupid enough to listen to them when they said big bad Lawson was too mean and hard on them!
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3. I think there is a motivation and culture piece to S&C that is good to have too. Once you have the aforementioned accountability, you want a guy who make the players want to show up and compete with one another in the weight room and get better. S&C spends a ton of time with the team and their personality is a big deal. You want a player's coach there, but not one who coddles them.
 
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I don't think there's much difference in S&G coaches and I'll explain why.

When Tom Osbourne was coach at Nebraska his teams were said to be the best trained and conditioned in college football. When Solich took over they didn't change S&G coaches but you never heard anything about Solich's team's training and conditioning. This suggests to me it's more about the players' ability than the training they receive.
 
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J C Higgins said:
I don't think there's much difference in S&G coaches and I'll explain why.

When Tom Osbourne was coach at Nebraska his teams were said to be the best trained and conditioned in college football. When Solich took over they didn't change S&G coaches but you never heard anything about Solich's team's training and conditioning. This suggests to me it's more about the players' ability than the training they receive.
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The thing that happened at Nebraska is that in the late 90s they started cracking down on anabolic steroids.
 
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Unconditional Surrender said:
The thing that happened at Nebraska is that in the late 90s they started cracking down on anabolic steroids.
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Might be the reason but testing, as infrequent and ineffective as it is, applied to all schools and I'm not aware of any study that showed they were using steroids more than any other team.
 
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