Stick With Pruitt

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Alex10 said:
Eh their ceiling is still low as a program but yeah they are definitely miles ahead of us, which should never be allowed to be the case. Either way UT football should never use the Kentucky model, if that ever becomes the case we should probably just shut it down. Historically they are nothing and there wildest aspirations are to have anaverage team every 10 years or so.
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What's our record in your lifetime? Just curious. It's probably not much better than Kentucky's.

Whatever our model is, hiring a coach and firing him 3-5 years later has not been very effective. Every single SEC team has beaten us since we've beaten them. Maybe it's time to figure out where we are historically to a 17 year old kid we're trying to recruit and adjust our model.
 
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ksgovols said:
What's our record in your lifetime? Just curious. It's probably not much better than Kentucky's.

Whatever our model is, hiring a coach and firing him 3-5 years later has not been very effective. Every single SEC team has beaten us since we've beaten them. Maybe it's time to figure out where we are historically to a 17 year old kid we're trying to recruit and adjust our model.
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Lower your expectations if you want to that’s 100 percent your choice. I’m not going to, maybe we will never be back like we want but to me there isn’t any point in even trying if our goals are to be reduced that far.
 
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Alex10 said:
Lower your expectations if you want to that’s 100 percent your choice. I’m not going to, maybe we will never be back like we want but to me there isn’t any point in even trying if our goals are to be reduced that far.
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All of our goals are the same. SEC championship, national championship. Top 10 program type results. We just disagree on how to get there. Some of us think the wisest course of action is to be more patient with a relatively inexperienced young coach, who happens to have a ton of potential
 
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volsportsfan said:
All of our goals are the same. SEC championship, national championship. Top 10 program type results. We just disagree on how to get there. Some of us think the wisest course of action is to be more patient with a relatively inexperienced young coach, who happens to have a ton of potential
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I’m going to give him some time, never said I wasn’t
... I think where we truly disagree is your sure Pruitt’s the answer, I’m in show me something first mode. I hope Pruitt works out because that’s what we need to happen, I just don’t have any reason to believe he will yet. Time will tell.
 
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Alex10 said:
I’m going to give him some time, never said I wasn’t
... I think where we truly disagree is your sure Pruitt’s the answer, I’m in show me something first mode. I hope Pruitt works out because that’s what we need to happen, I just don’t have any reason to believe he will yet. Time will tell.
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I'm not sure Pruitt is the answer. This thread is simply about giving a young high potential head coach sufficient time to prove himself before we fire him. That amount of time seems to me to be about 8 to 10 years based off of other great head coaches. Now, once again, that's not blind loyalty. He's gotta show that some steps of progress are being made along the way.
 
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Looks to me like if Pruitt is a quick study like Spurrier he could put us in title game in year 3.

If it takes him the time it takes most of the great ones, about year 8 seems right as far as winning the sec.

That would be 10 years of assistant experience with 8 years head coaching experience. Very comparable to a belichick who had 19 years assistant experience and won conference in 6th year of head coach experience. Or, Urban who got there a little quicker and had 15 years assistant experience and won sec title in 5th year as head coach.

Remember, guys like Pete Carroll and Saban had 20 plus years of assistant experience and won titles in their 5th and 7th years as head coach.
 
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Bob stoops with 15 years assistant experience and won big 12 championship and national title in his second year as head coach. A quick study like Spurrier.
 
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Brian Kelly had 7 years assistant experience and in his 20th season as a head coach took ND to national title game
 
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Mark dantonio had 23 years assistant experience and in 7th year as a head coach won the big 10 championship
 
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Gus malzhan is a little tricky. 20 years as an assistant coach or high school head coach and won sec in his second year as a collegiate head coach.

I'm equating his high school head coach experience to being like college assistant experience. It definitely does not equate to college head coach experience.
 
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Chilmonty said:
NOOOOO I am saying he had the the SAME RECORD as the Previous Coach because he was coaching pretty much the SAME TEAM!
Kinda like, oh I don't know....Pruitt!!!
I made NO comparison to the teams the beat or lost to, you did that!!
Two completely different teams but same overall RECORD with a NEW COACH!
THAT was my only comparison, Stop putting words in my mouth!!!

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We were competitive against florida last year.

Just sayin
 
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volsportsfan said:
I'm not sure Pruitt is the answer. This thread is simply about giving a young high potential head coach sufficient time to prove himself before we fire him. That amount of time seems to me to be about 8 to 10 years based off of other great head coaches. Now, once again, that's not blind loyalty. He's gotta show that some steps of progress are being made along the way.
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I normally hate questions like this, but a friend of mine asked me Sunday and since its on this subject...

If I saw 10 years into the future, but not past it, and told you that Pruitt shows improvement each year and we win at least 1 more game each year, but we don't make it to Atlanta until year 7, don't win it until year 9 and then lose in the first round of the playoffs. Year 10 we win the NC.

You can have that, or you (whoever wants to answer) can fire Pruitt and let UTAD hire another coach. This can continue for as long as you want, hire and fire every other game if you want, but UT chooses who, not you.
 
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volsportsfan said:
I'm not sure Pruitt is the answer. This thread is simply about giving a young high potential head coach sufficient time to prove himself before we fire him. That amount of time seems to me to be about 8 to 10 years based off of other great head coaches. Now, once again, that's not blind loyalty. He's gotta show that some steps of progress are being made along the way.
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8 to 10 years to prove your the guy sounds absolutely outrageous to me. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but what bigtime program actually gives a head coach 8 to 10 years to prove they are the guy? Even second rate programs don’t do that.
 
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Behr said:
I normally hate questions like this, but a friend of mine asked me Sunday and since its on this subject...

If I saw 10 years into the future, but not past it, and told you that Pruitt shows improvement each year and we win at least 1 more game each year, but we don't make it to Atlanta until year 7, don't win it until year 9 and then lose in the first round of the playoffs. Year 10 we win the NC.

You can have that, or you (whoever wants to answer) can fire Pruitt and let UTAD hire another coach. This can continue for as long as you want, hire and fire every other game if you want, but UT chooses who, not you.
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Uh.....give me scenario 1 EVERY SINGLE TIME
 
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Behr said:
I normally hate questions like this, but a friend of mine asked me Sunday and since its on this subject...

If I saw 10 years into the future, but not past it, and told you that Pruitt shows improvement each year and we win at least 1 more game each year, but we don't make it to Atlanta until year 7, don't win it until year 9 and then lose in the first round of the playoffs. Year 10 we win the NC.

You can have that, or you (whoever wants to answer) can fire Pruitt and let UTAD hire another coach. This can continue for as long as you want, hire and fire every other game if you want, but UT chooses who, not you.
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Its a good question by the way. Very intriguing to me.
 
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Alex10 said:
8 to 10 years to prove your the guy sounds absolutely outrageous to me. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion but what bigtime program actually gives a head coach 8 to 10 years to prove they are the guy? Even second rate programs don’t do that.
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That's what this thread is about. Supplying a little evidence to the legion of vol fans that maybe a change of strategy is needed, specially with this particular head coach.
 
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volsportsfan said:
Mark richt had 15 years assistant experience and in second year as a head coach won the sec title
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So with all these examples your giving why would you want to wait 8 to 10 years with Pruitt? Seems most of these first time head coaches won something of significance by year 3 or 4.. I’m not counting your Brian Kelley comparison because he was a head coach at many small schools before getting to a school that would afford him the chance to play for a national title so saying he was a head coach 20 years before playing for one is a little misleading, wasn’t he at central Michigan and then Cincinnati before going to Notre Dame? He was there what 3 years before playing for a title?
 
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volsportsfan said:
That's what this thread is about. Supplying a little evidence to the legion of vol fans that maybe a change of strategy is needed, specially with this particular head coach.
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So the strategy that hasn’t worked for us over the past decade is to be patient with these coaches, so you want to change the strategy up to be more patient with these guys? That’s a bold move cotton let’s see if it pays off.
 
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Alex10 said:
So with all these examples your giving why would you want to wait 8 to 10 years with Pruitt? Seems most of these first time head coaches won something of significance by year 3 or 4.. I’m not counting your Brian Kelley comparison because he was a head coach at many small schools before getting to a school that would afford him the chance to play for a national title so saying he was a head coach 20 years before playing for one is a little misleading, wasn’t he at central Michigan and then Cincinnati before going to Notre Dame? He was there what 3 years before playing for a title?
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I mainly point out the head coach experience because a head coach is free to spend his time in 1 of 3 phases of the game, or spend time at all 3 phases. Being the head man allows a coach to improve a deficiency in one of those three areas. You see it in a guy like belichick. He mastered the defensive side of the ball as a coordinator, but as a head coach, you see how well his teams perform offensively now. Doesn't matter if he loses an offensive coord, his offense is always solid. Same thing with Saban. Mastered the defensive side of the ball as a coordinator, has continued to improve over the years on the offensive side of the ball as a head coach ( his special teams have continued to improve too imo ), and now it doesn't matter how many off coordinators come and go, bama has a solid offense.
 
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Alex10 said:
So with all these examples your giving why would you want to wait 8 to 10 years with Pruitt? Seems most of these first time head coaches won something of significance by year 3 or 4.. I’m not counting your Brian Kelley comparison because he was a head coach at many small schools before getting to a school that would afford him the chance to play for a national title so saying he was a head coach 20 years before playing for one is a little misleading, wasn’t he at central Michigan and then Cincinnati before going to Notre Dame? He was there what 3 years before playing for a title?
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But look at all the extra assistant experience they have. Yes, some were quick studies and got it done rather quickly ( Spurrier stoops for example ) but with many it took more time ( saban belichick Carroll dantonio etc ) and suggests more along that 8 year window with a guy like Pruitt who only has 10 year assistant experience and 0 head man experience
 
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Alex10 said:
So the strategy that hasn’t worked for us over the past decade is to be patient with these coaches, so you want to change the strategy up to be more patient with these guys? That’s a bold move cotton let’s see if it pays off.
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I don't know what strategy we have imployed previously. Fired fulmer and now looking back, maybe not a good move, I don't know. Kiffin ditched us. Dooley probably deserved it ( to be fired ) and so did Butch.

This thread is about this particular coaching hire. Pruitt. His relative inexperience and giving him extra time.

Yes, I'm an advocate of giving any coach sufficient time, but that time given is different for each coach based on previous experience. That is what the evidence suggests in my opinion
 
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