Source: Butch staying, raise pending

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jamesthesame said:
There is no integrity in college football. Schools will fire a coach quickly, and coaches will only to other schools quickly. It's a job. Everyone is just doing what they feel is the best for them.

Thats what all humans do. You couldn't fault Jones if he went to Michigan, just like you can't fault kiffin for going to USC.

Im sure most people on here would agree that if they were the coach at USC or Michigan they would leave, or at least think about, for Tennessee.
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There are people at Central Michigan and Cincinnati still stewing about the "bricks" they bought, hook, line and sinker.

"Coaching" and "truth" are not meant to go in the same sentence. Feelings and relationships change; I've always thought top tier coaches are a bit thin skinned--don't feel appreciated, recruits don't jump through hoops, social media rags them all the time. Any college coaching gig must be stressful.

They are not paid to be loyal to their employer; they are/should be paid to produce results. I don't worry about their longevity or "get the money while they can". so many contracts these days are set up with automatic annuities, etc. Any top tier coach is set for life, post coaching.

Why would anyone trust CBJ? or any other coach? We like/defend them to "outsiders" because he's "ours" for now. As a school donor (which I am), I consider it more of a pay forward approach not a want to see a reward for the coach. I don't support the school because CBJ is there; I support the school in spite of that.
 
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EZE said:
I don't know abo that. Mike was a flameout at Arizona and is back in Norman with Bob.
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good observation; not every Shula is a legend. Some cook steaks.

My main point, though, is that he might have some coaching chops of his own and at a long, under performing football comes second to basketball school, he's the guy for the long term.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
I was talking to a close friend of mine today about the raise that CBJ is getting and he asked me an interesting question and what I thought about it. He asked me if I remembered CBJ publicly stating that he was not interested in the Michigan job, loved it here, was going nowhere and that he was going to be here for a long time. I told him that I did. He said "well if he said that and he meant it, why all of this about raises, extensions etc. if he has no intentions of going anywhere?" "Did he lie?" He asked me how I would feel if it came out that he used the Michigan job to negotiate a raise after he made that statement. I told him that I wasn't sure. Hadn't thought about it.

I've been thinking about it and I'm still not sure. This is a totally different thing than asking if he deserves it or not.
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Now, this person you were talking to wouldn't be a third grader or something like that would it. "Naive" These are men making decisions that will affect their lives, families and in this case many fans. I don't think I could blame Butch for using the thought of him going to Michigan if he was wanted there.
 
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This Michigan stuff is BS. Jones is not even a blip on the edge of their radar. That is unless they get turned down 5 times AKA Kiffin at USC and Dooley here.
 
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We have a hired gun as a coach, no roots or ties to the university. If someone throws money at him he will be gone the next day. It is what it is. Don't get attached to the coaches.
 
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I don't see the dishonesty in it that seems to be implied. He said he didn't want to go to Michigan, he didn't say he didn't want a raise.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
It's not about the money. It's about loyalty. I'd much rather not have to worry about Butch leaving just because some school offers him an extra $250k or w/e the ordeal might be.
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You are brain washed and out of touch with the real world if you think someone is going to have blind loyalty to any organization. At the end of the day you work to generate wealth not for your health.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Butch Jones is not getting a raise and extension because of Michigan. He was going to get it regardless. If not he would be the 13th highest paid coach in the SEC next year. If we want to be a big time football program we can't pay less then market price for a coach. Like it or not it's just the way it is.
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Your right, but big time football isn't 6-6
 
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I just don't get why people are complaining about a 7.8% raise.

I'd consider a 5%-10% raise a very standard annual salary increase in most professions.

Quite honestly I am surprised it isn't more.
 
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Why in the World are we still discussing this? I am sorry did I miss the part where his pay leads to an increase in the federal income tax rate or higher gas prices? We could pay the man 80 million dollars and it wouldn't effect a single person on this board other than higher ticket prices or a limit on mustard packs at the hot dog stand. Some of you have have a major case of butt hurt in all walks of like, if you want to root for a league that pays its coaches 10$ an hour then move to North Korea and cheer for the Pyongyang Hustlin' Tigers.
 
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There are far too many she-males on this board who complain about any and all things in life. It makes me want to do a swan dive off of my roof onto the driveway.
 
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I'm also surprised it wasn't more. He earned 250k just for his recruiting efforts.
 
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The only reason to go to Michigan would be to have a smart hot Asian girlfriend on the side..
 
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Seems reasonable to me.

Hope they throw the kitchen sink at Thigpen and the defensive staff, figuratively, not literally.
 
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landscapingvol said:
There are far too many she-males on this board who complain about any and all things in life. It makes me want to do a swan dive off of my roof onto the driveway.
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I understand and respect the deep feelings you have for CBJ. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and even though he would not be my bromance fantasy, I will defend your First Amendment rights to claim him as such.:whistling:
 
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Butch was never going anywhere. Michigan was not going to hire Butch. Butch used the opening to get a raise.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Why in the World are we still discussing this? I am sorry did I miss the part where his pay leads to an increase in the federal income tax rate or higher gas prices? We could pay the man 80 million dollars and it wouldn't effect a single person on this board other than higher ticket prices or a limit on mustard packs at the hot dog stand. Some of you have have a major case of butt hurt in all walks of like, if you want to root for a league that pays its coaches 10$ an hour then move to North Korea and cheer for the Pyongyang Hustlin' Tigers.
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Hey Freak, why isn't there a button for the Pyongyang Hustlin Tigers? They are my third team choice. They just need a little more depth. The head coach keeps shooting the players that make mistakes.
 
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VolFan37323 said:
No he coming Butch is going to take a step back and be our Offensive Coordinator I heard from a very good source that Gruden has done sign the deal and his wife has done found a house in Knoxville lol. :eek:lol:
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give it a rest - he announces games now and will never ever coach again
 
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