Should the ethics report on Gaetz be released?

Should the ethics report on Gaetz be released ?

  • No, now that he's out of Congress it doesn't matter.

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • No, it will make he and Trump look bad and who cares at this point

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • Yes, a cabinet level pick should be fully vetted

    Votes: 37 51.4%

  • Yes, it will find it's way out in the end and better to deal with it now than have it linger

    Votes: 8 11.1%

  • Pie continues to rule

    Votes: 22 30.6%
  • Total voters
    72
#51
#51
OrangeTsar said:
The thing I sometimes think about is the fact that Musk now has access to every single private DM sent between politicians and others on Twitter/X. Not sure they really want to antagonize him too much
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Hopefully there’s no “leaks”.
 
#52
#52
OrangeTsar said:
Let’s all wake up and smell the coffee here. Gaetz is more likely than not a distraction to draw all of the negative attention so that Trump can get all of his OTHER appointments through without much controversy. He is fixating the democrats with the motion of his right hand while the lefty haymaker is coming in unseen toward the jaw.
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No he's not. That 4d chess thing got run out with Q
 
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#53
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OrangeTsar said:
The thing I sometimes think about is the fact that Musk now has access to every single private DM sent between politicians and others on Twitter/X. Not sure they really want to antagonize him too much
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Yes we are getting into some fictional TV/Movie crap here. "Person of Interest"
What's more, China and Russia have been doing this for years. Social ratings
The capability works both ways good and bad. Information and activity are constantly being used to survel but more outside looking in vs inside looking inside for politics. We have too look inside to thwart criminal activity but not for political gain.
Acting with on it will be an infringement unless laws change.
 
#55
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midnight orange said:
There should be no witch hunts but there are possibly grave criminal acts that have been committed and should be investigated. I think most Americans see that and absent investigations will perceive that there is a class of people above the law.

There is obviously a class of people that are not subject to the law and it will always be that way but the perception (politically) is that no one should be above the law.
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if there is a clear breaking of a law, sure that falls under the purview of the AG.

going after Trump's political enemies (the OP) is clearly just a witch hunt. it sounds like exactly what the D's did, they must investigate to find out what crimes were committed. it was BS when they did it, its BS when Trump does it.
 
#58
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McDad said:
I understand the concept. I agree with it.

But where I am lost is the interplay between the larger concept and the specifics of why Gaetz is under ethics investigation.
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Ask Bill Barr? Started there? Cat out of bag? Trump administration. Why not a pardon?
Politics. In Nov 2020.

Maybe the Republicans were throwing the Democrats a bone. who knows?
 
#59
#59
If only he couldn’t be confirmed by a simple majority. Who changed those rules?
 
#61
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utvolpj said:
No he's not. That 4d chess thing got run out with Q
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I think trump is actually LISTENING to some good advisers this go around. He actually ran a disciplined campaign for a change (for the most part) and let the democrats sink themselves. I never thought Trump could actually keep his mouth SHUT as much as he did the last few months 😄
 
#62
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lawgator1 said:
Reasonable.

But this is unique given the claims.
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It is not unique given the claims. It is unique given the circumstances. I don’t care if it was for unpaid parking tickets. Gaetz resigned from Congress so Congress stopped investigating his ethics as he is no longer a member. Fine. But Congress must also vet Gaetz for the highest law enforcement position in the country and thus Congress should review all relevant information. And an ethics investigation on Gaetz while he was a sitting member of Congress absolutely applies.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I think trump is actually LISTENING to some good advisers this go around. He actually ran a disciplined campaign for a change (for the most part) and let the democrats sink themselves. I never thought Trump could actually keep his mouth SHUT as much as he did the last few months 😄
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His campaign was all over the place. “They’re eating the cats and dogs!” FFS. His saving grace was Harris’s campaign was an even bigger tone deaf train wreck.
 
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LouderVol said:
if there is a clear breaking of a law, sure that falls under the purview of the AG.

going after Trump's political enemies (the OP) is clearly just a witch hunt. it sounds like exactly what the D's did, they must investigate to find out what crimes were committed. it was BS when they did it, its BS when Trump does it.
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You investigate if there is probable cause which in many cases there are. There are criminal acts that were committed in plain daylight with an abundance of evidence. It’s not complicated.
 
#67
#67
LouderVol said:
just because it doesn't rise to the level of criminal prosecution doesn't mean there isn't a violation of the code of ethics in Congress.
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I undersand that completely. AJ johnson may not have assualted a woman but he may have missed curfew, brought a "black eye" on the university, etc. It makes sense. There could be university consequences even though there are no criminal consequences.

I do not know the list of ethical behaviors house members are expected to keep. I also don't know what which ethical issue Gaetz is being investigated for.
 
#68
#68
townhall.com

Could This Be the Real Reason Why Trump Nominated Matt Gaetz As Attorney General?

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"Once Gaetz’s selection was announced, the chatter among top Republicans on Capitol Hill quickly turned to four questions:

1. Was Trump aware of the coming Ethics report on its Gaetz investigation?

The committee was planning to vote Friday on whether to release the report, as Punchbowl first reported. But if “Gaetz is no longer a member of the House, the report likely won’t be formally released,” as Olivia Beavers and Jordain Carney report.

Frankly, it seems implausible to us that this won’t come out — if not on Friday, then during Gaetz’s confirmation hearings (assuming, of course, that Trump doesn’t try to end-run around those with recess appointments to the Cabinet). The House leaks like a sieve, and the Senate Judiciary Committee is definitely going to want to see at least the underlying evidence in the report.

2. Is this for real?

Pretty much every Hill Republican we spoke with thinks there’s something strange going on here. One theory we heard over and over from bewildered Republicans is that perhaps by picking him, Trump is giving Gaetz an out from the Ethics report (which seems possible), and that Gaetz is returning the favor by becoming a sacrificial lamb who will ease the way for Trump’s eventual pick for AG (which seems like a stretch).

A separate theory we heard goes like this: Maybe Gaetz is resigning only from this Congress — so as to stymie the Ethics probe for now — with an intent to be seated for the next Congress come January. We find that very hard to believe, both because it doesn’t sound like it would realistically slow the Ethics report’s release, and because House Speaker MIKE JOHNSON has already spoken to Florida Gov. RON DeSANTIS about holding a special election right away — which there would be no need for if Gaetz were planning to be seated in January.

3. Can Gaetz actually get the Senate votes to be confirmed?

It’s certainly possible, but count us as cautiously skeptical. (So is longtime Gaetz foe KEVIN McCARTHY, per Bloomberg.) Republicans will have a three-seat majority (with VP-elect JD VANCE available for any tie-breaking needed), so if four senators bounce, it’s a wrap. And the early reactions haven’t exactly been encouraging for Gaetz:

Sen. SUSAN COLLINS (R-Maine) told reporters she was shocked. “Obviously, the president has the right to nominate whomever he wishes,” she said. “But this is why the Senate’s advise and consent process is so important. I’m sure that there will be many, many questions raised at Mr. Gaetz’s hearing, if in fact the nomination goes forward.”

Sen. LISA MURKOWSKI (R-Alaska): “I don’t think it’s a serious nomination for the attorney general. … I’m looking forward to the opportunity to consider somebody that is serious. This one was not on my bingo card.”

Sen. THOM TILLIS (R-N.C.): “I have very few skills, vote counting is one, and I think he’s got a lot of work to get 50.”

Sen. TODD YOUNG (R-Ind.), asked for comment, immediately started praising Secretary of State nominee MARCO RUBIO (R-Fla.) instead.

Sen. BILL CASSIDY (R-La.) dodged our very own Ursula Perano with an excuse we haven’t heard before: “I’m trying to go fix a toilet between getting back for a vote. Life’s a little hectic right now.”

We’re also personally wondering what MITCH McCONNELL is thinking right now. Could delivering a thundering rejection of Trump’s preferred top cop be one of his first acts back in the GOP rank-and-file?

4. Beyond an AG, what is Trump trying to get out of this? "

I believe #2 in green. I believe he has no shot and has agreed to be a distraction. The senate will see that report, he knows what is in it. He will have zero cred as a politician if that gets out.
He would have spent the rest of political career (until he gets primaried) defending himself.
 
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LouderVol said:
that is not what the AG should be doing. continuing the actions of the Dems only makes you more like the Dems. its not going to stop their acts. its only going to encourage and justify it the next time.
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Wait, you want the guy who had the full force of the Federal Govt used against him to try and bankrupt him and imprison him for life...to simply turn the other cheek?

Seriously? Something that rarely happens throughout history, the abused now has full control over the abuser...and you want him to walk away and not right the wrongs done to him?

Give me an effing break. I pray justice comes to these people.
 
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LouderVol said:
if there is a clear breaking of a law, sure that falls under the purview of the AG.

going after Trump's political enemies (the OP) is clearly just a witch hunt. it sounds like exactly what the D's did, they must investigate to find out what crimes were committed. it was BS when they did it, its BS when Trump does it.
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Can I ask you a question? If your in a war, and the fighting is taking place in the air, are going to fight with ground troops or are you gonna fight on the same level in the air?
 
#71
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Sudden Impact said:
'Ask Bill Barr? Started there? Cat out of bag? Trump administration. Why not a pardon?
Politics. In Nov 2020.

Maybe the Republicans were throwing the Democrats a bone. who knows?
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I apologize in advance. Even though i am very active on VN PF, I am not up to speed on Bill Bar and what you're referencing. You don 't have to explain. I am giving you reason why I am ill equipped to continue the discussion.
 
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LouderVol said:
just because it doesn't rise to the level of criminal prosecution doesn't mean there isn't a violation of the code of ethics in Congress.
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Code of ethics in Congress, lmao, is that what they’re now calling the Congressional Slush Fund that is used to pay off allegations of sexual misconduct by Congress members?

Voters should see the FULL accounting of all payments made by that fund.
 
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#73
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midnight orange said:
Russiagate
Steele dossier
Biden laptop
Fauci
Crossfire Hurricane

These are massive crimes with evidence all over the place. They at least warrant investigation.
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what were the specific criminal acts in those? just one from each, don't need a full list to waste our time.
 
#75
#75
LouderVol said:
what were the specific criminal acts in those? just one from each, don't need a full list to waste our time.
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What was the crime of the govt knowingly lying about the Biden laptop that helped away a close election? Seriously?

What was the crime in opening up an investigation of a Presidential candidate and then President based on knowingly false information from his political opponent?

You aren't this dumb, stop playing games.
 
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