Should the ethics report on Gaetz be released?

[volgr]

Release it so the American people can once again see how desperate the Uniparty is to smear anyone who strays outside their control.

Trump is a 30 something indicted insurrectionist rapist, Tulsi is a Russian agent, RFK Jr is a loon, Gaetz is a human trafficker rapist, blah blah blah.

Yeah, the American people have heard all that and they know it is complete crap, which is why they voted overwhelmingly against the corrupt uniparty system.

 

[whodeycin85]

What is the matter with you?
Regardless, it is not a good look to have to address the release of these issues.
Some seem to forget, the man did ask for a pardon over 4 years ago regarding it.
A nothing burger it ain't and his buddy is already serving time for part of the nothing burger.
I doubt he gets confirmation regardless of the release of information.

His friend admitted to having sex with a minor...there was no evidence Gaetz did..hence why he was not charged...as far as an ethical investigation by a heavily partisan body who engages in unethical behavior daily seem wrong...it's funny because if there was proof and not just speculation it would already be leaked....I'll believe he will get a recess appointment. As for a pardon request
..what did it hurt..to request it for charges.doesnt mean he is guilty a smart person would request it if he thought possible.

 

[Sudden Impact]

His friend admitted to having sex with a minor...there was no evidence Gaetz did..hence why he was not charged...as far as an ethical investigation by a heavily partisan body who engages in unethical behavior daily seem wrong...it's funny because if there was proof and not just speculation it would already be leaked....I'll believe he will get a recess appointment. As for a pardon request
..what did it hurt..to request it for charges.doesnt mean he is guilty a smart person would request it if he thought possible.

At this point, no need to get into the details of it.
It basically boils down to Recess Appointments vs Confirmation Hearings.
You can get in front of the storyline above or sit back and wait. Could break either way. Time will tell.
Right now no need to prosecute or defend him at this point.
We are early in the decision-making process regarding the Appointments.
Expect plenty of discussion in the National Media regardless of party.
Opinions do matter but not as much as facts.
It is odd that there is a want/need to ramrod these appointments carte blanche

 

[utvolpj]

Release all reports, files, etc regarding ethics violations by members of Congress. Blast all those crooks

 

[whodeycin85]

At this point, no need to get into the details of it.
It basically boils down to Recess Appointments vs Confirmation Hearings.
You can get in front of the storyline above or sit back and wait. Could break either way. Time will tell.
Right now no need to prosecute or defend him at this point.
We are early in the decision-making process regarding the Appointments.
Expect plenty of discussion in the National Media regardless of party.
Opinions do matter but not as much as facts.
It is odd that there is a want/need to ramrod these appointments carte blanc

Fair enough.. And we agree..Gaetz was picked for 2 reasons.... An FU to the Dems... And because he will go after everyone that accused and tried to persecute Trump.. Whether justified or not won't matter. As for confirmation, the reason I believe it'll will be a recess appointment of because these politicians are weak and don't wanna disagree with Trump publicly and risk being on his bad side.. So if a recess appointment happens they can still play both sides.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Release all reports, files, etc regarding ethics violations by members of Congress. Blast all those crooks

I agree but a lot of truth, opinions and lies are bound to happen.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 2000 so a lot will be departing if this happens.
It will get worse before it gets better and will take about 6-8 years to clean house.
I believe a 3rd party will form from all this mess.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Fair enough.. And we agree..Gaetz was picked for 2 reasons.... An FU to the Dems... And because he will go after everyone that accused and tried to persecute Trump.. Whether justified or not won't matter. As for confirmation, the reason I believe it'll will be a recess appointment of because these politicians are weak and don't wanna disagree with Trump publicly and risk being on his bad side.. So if a recess appointment happens they can still play both sides.

You will have Republicans that will stand up and disagree with Trump.
It would be speculation at this point as to whether or not all Republicans support this plan or not.
Governing by fear is a clear indication of if this happens or not.
The other factor would be for the party avoiding the dreaded filibuster by the Democrats. Republicans know this and this could weigh into the formula of passing the Recess appointments option.
So right now it is all a crapshoot.

 

[LouderVol]

Fair enough.. And we agree..Gaetz was picked for 2 reasons.... An FU to the Dems... And because he will go after everyone that accused and tried to persecute Trump.. Whether justified or not won't matter. As for confirmation, the reason I believe it'll will be a recess appointment of because these politicians are weak and don't wanna disagree with Trump publicly and risk being on his bad side.. So if a recess appointment happens they can still play both sides.

that is not what the AG should be doing. continuing the actions of the Dems only makes you more like the Dems. its not going to stop their acts. its only going to encourage and justify it the next time.

 

[whodeycin85]

that is not what the AG should be doing. continuing the actions of the Dems only makes you more like the Dems. its not going to stop their acts. its only going to encourage and justify it the next time.

Agreed.... Neither side should do it... But at some point the high ground is a losing side when the fighting is in the mud... Not saying I agree with it, but I understand it.

 

[McDad]

What about accountability for Gaetz? Should he be able to avoid it by switching jobs, especially moving into such an important job?

Why do you assume impropriety when the other investigation concluded with a recommendation for no prosecution?

 

[Volnbeers]

Release all reports, files, etc regarding ethics violations by members of Congress. Blast all those crooks

this.

also, seems really odd that its being reported that it "will leak". its almost as if its a coordinated effort to disqualify a nominee. but not politically motivated at all.

 

[McDad]

Release all reports, files, etc regarding ethics violations by members of Congress. Blast all those crooks

24 ethics investigations in the last 4 years.

 

[LouderVol]

Agreed.... Neither side should do it... But at some point the high ground is a losing side when the fighting is in the mud... Not saying I agree with it, but I understand it.

I don't understand it. especially if the side doing it is supposed to be draining the swamp and fixing DC and all that. all they are doing is the same swampy stuff, just on the other side of the aisle.

this is exactly why problems are never fixed in this nation. we are more dedicated to pointing fingers than creating solutions.

I would much rather they focus on efforts that ensure that BS never happens again. if you believe in the deep state angle, that is the better way to go after them. go after their means, rather than the individual tools they use. if you shut off HOW they are doing it, you stop them, and that is going to be more damaging than imprisoning one of their pawns.

its all feel good instant gratification politics.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Pair it with a release of the Epstein Client list and I am 100% on board

 

[Sudden Impact]

Why do you assume impropriety when the other investigation concluded with a recommendation for no prosecution?

Accountability.

Did Gaetz ask for a Pardon? If he did that could lead to assumptions of guilt. If he did not, then one can twist the investigation into a party protection committee vote or he could have been determined not in violation. Too much spin available for both parties.

His appointment as well could be to protect or that the fact the evidence is unknown to the public.
Twisted world of politics we live in today.

 

[utvolpj]

24 ethics investigations in the last 4 years.

How about all the ones paid out from the sexual harassment slush fund?

 

[McDad]

Accountability.

Did Gaetz ask for a Pardon? If he did that could lead to assumptions of guilt. If he did not, then one can twist the investigation into a party protection committee vote or he could have been determined not in violation. Too much spin available for both parties.

His appointment as well could be to protect or that the fact the evidence is unknown to the public.
Twisted world of politics we live in today.

Accountability for what?
A criminal investigation concluded with a recommendation to not prosecute.

 

[McDad]

How about all the ones paid out from the sexual harassment slush fund?

Fine by me.
Asking aloud here, but how many ethics investigations wrap up with a report released to the public?

I vaguely recall a few over several decades. ...and I'm not sure if they were ethics or criminal investigations to be honest.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Pair it with a release of the Epstein Client list and I am 100% on board

I doubt that will ever happen, it is too much of an advantage to keep it seal for those serving in Congress or the Presidency. Will never happen. Americans will see how much they have been lied to over the years and how disgusting these Public Servants are in real life.
Republicans can't point fingers at Democrats and Democrats can't point fingers at Republicans without blowback.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Let’s all wake up and smell the coffee here. Gaetz is more likely than not a distraction to draw all of the negative attention so that Trump can get all of his OTHER appointments through without much controversy. He is fixating the democrats with the motion of his right hand while the lefty haymaker is coming in unseen toward the jaw.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Accountability for what?
A criminal investigation concluded with a recommendation to not prosecute.

I have explained but it is like the Fox guarding the Chicken House. Pretty soon you start to see the Chickens disappear and some ask how come.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I doubt that will ever happen, it is too much of an advantage to keep it seal for those serving in Congress or the Presidency. Will never happen. Americans will see how much they have been lied to over the years and how disgusting these Public Servants are in real life.
Republicans can't point fingers at Democrats and Democrats can't point fingers at Republicans without blowback.

The thing I sometimes think about is the fact that Musk now has access to every single private DM sent between politicians and others on Twitter/X. Not sure they really want to antagonize him too much

 

[McDad]

Let’s all wake up and smell the coffee here. Gaetz is more likely than not a distraction to draw all of the negative attention so that Trump can get all of his OTHER appointments through without much controversy. He is fixating the democrats with the motion of his right hand while the lefty haymaker is coming in unseen toward the jaw.

That could be. But that would take a lot of coordination especially if he is giving up his seat.

Tangentially related: I've never seen any other group of people so enamored by "smokescreens" as are VN posters

 

[midnight orange]

I don't understand it. especially if the side doing it is supposed to be draining the swamp and fixing DC and all that. all they are doing is the same swampy stuff, just on the other side of the aisle.

this is exactly why problems are never fixed in this nation. we are more dedicated to pointing fingers than creating solutions.

I would much rather they focus on efforts that ensure that BS never happens again. if you believe in the deep state angle, that is the better way to go after them. go after their means, rather than the individual tools they use. if you shut off HOW they are doing it, you stop them, and that is going to be more damaging than imprisoning one of their pawns.

its all feel good instant gratification politics.

There should be no witch hunts but there are possibly grave criminal acts that have been committed and should be investigated. I think most Americans see that and absent investigations will perceive that there is a class of people above the law.

There is obviously a class of people that are not subject to the law and it will always be that way but the perception (politically) is that no one should be above the law.

 

[McDad]

I have explained but it like the Fox guarding the Chicken House. Pretty soon you start to see the Chickens disappear and some ask how come.

I understand the concept. I agree with it.

But where I am lost is the interplay between the larger concept and the specifics of why Gaetz is under ethics investigation.