Scott Frost or Dan Mullen??

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I don't see Mullen happening.

He got an extension and raise last year; Sexton is his agent; likely has a massive buyout on par with a Matt Campbell if not higher.
 
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What decent or good power five team has Frost beaten ? It is easy to see he is an up and coming. It's one thing to win in his league but can he beat the likes of SEC coaches ? Even as bad as people say the east coaching is a lot of it is still better than the league he is in. I like Mullens between the two. Mullens has gotten his team to the #1 ranking before in the nation. That is a good credential to have. Maybe better facilities and location he can raise his game too.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Now lets look at some recruiting numbers. From 2013- 2017 Butch's average recruiting rank has been right at 13th. Mullen's has been 26th. Average per recruit per year from 2013-2017: Butch (88.24), Mullen (86.39).

Mullen has beaten #8 LSU, #6 TAMU and #2 Auburn. With far lesser talent. Butch hasnt come close to any of that. So with lesser talent and tougher schedules, Mullen has out performed Butch. Also, it needs to be mentioned that MSU is one of the hardest schools in the SEC to recruit at. Mullen doesnt have anywhere near the recruiting budget or pipelines that Tennessee does.
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You did exactly what the other guy did unfortunately and you changed the scope of the argument to make it mean what you wanted it to mean. If you went back and read, we've been talking about Mullen's body of work as a whole.

How about this: Let us further take a look at one year. 2016. Dan Mullen went 6-7 with a SOS of 2.76 (again, closer the number is to 0, the more "average" a schedule is). Meanwhile, Butch Jones went 9-4 that very same season with a SOS of 4.44.

Just using the records and data from the one season I cherry-picked to fit my argument, it is easy to see that Dan Mullen is garbage and would be a terrible hire.

See how this works and how stupid it sounds when you do it?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nick Saban

Les Miles

gus Malzahan

Name another coach that has beaten those guys on a consistent basis. Some of you obviously have trouble seeing talented coaches. People scream about Frost whom has done nothing in a nobody conference.
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Um, not Mullen? He's like 5-19 against Aub/Bama/LSU while at MSU, if I'm remembering correctly. 3 of those are against Auburn, 2 against LSU, and 0 against Bama.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Um, not Mullen? He's like 5-19 against Aub/Bama/LSU while at MSU, if I'm remembering correctly. 3 of those are against Auburn, 2 against LSU, and 0 against Bama.
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So what? Still better than Butch. You keep tring to argue against Mullen and you seem to fail at every turn. Keep trying.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Um, not Mullen? He's like 5-19 against Aub/Bama/LSU while at MSU, if I'm remembering correctly. 3 of those are against Auburn, 2 against LSU, and 0 against Bama.
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Right that's terrible . I don't want any coach that knows how to win and beats Auburn and LSU on regular basis with teams of 2 and 3 * players . What's 5 more wins the Gruden just saying
 
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Forever151 said:
Right that's terrible . I don't want any coach that knows how to win and beats Auburn and LSU on regular basis with teams of 2 and 3 * players . What's 5 more wins the Gruden just saying
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Beating Auburn 3 times and LSU twice in 9 years is a "regular basis"? 3-6 and 2-7?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So what? Still better than Butch. You keep tring to argue against Mullen and you seem to fail at every turn. Keep trying.
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Haha, right. I've only given you actual statistics that prove Mullen is only mediocre yet you win the argument by your own declaration. It's the ole cover your ears and scream "nanananananananana I'm not listening but I'm right nananananana" tactic.

Also, you say Mullen has/had no talent to work with, but I feel like you've forgotten that the apex of Mullen's performance at MSU came with a QB that just won Rookie of the Year in the NFL and is currently performing well in the big leagues :post-4-1090547912:
 
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Panthro said:
Frost has higher ceiling.
Mullen has higher floor.
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i think that's accurate.

it's a solid Frost at 1 for me, Mullen solid 2.

after that.........gets dicey imo. i don't see gruden happening. don't see kelly happening.

i think Frost winds up at FL though. and that sucks.

won't be mad though if we were to pull Mullen over.
 
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Forever151 said:
3/9 equals 1/3 of the time that's why better then James Franklins record vs East when he was here and look what he has done . Stop being blind
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Franklin was 8-9 against the East in the three seasons he was head coach at Vanderbilt.

17-32. That's Mullen's current record against the SEC West in his 9 years as head coach at Miss St.

Franklin won 49% of his games against the East. Mullen won 34% of his games against the West. Not sure where you're going with this.
 
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Posted this is another thread but fits here also:

I prefer Dan Mullen.

Currently is a head coach in the tough SEC West.

Coached mostly 3*s and hung with Bama all 4 quarters. Give him some 4 star talent and see what he does.

Knows how to coach QBs and develop talent.

Good man that has his sh!t together.

He's already demonstrated what he can do with a talented offense at Florida.

Nuff said.

With that said, I sure would not be unhappy with Frost.
 
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Mullen. His QB development is almost on another level compared to everyone else. He's a proven winner in this conference at a place that is about as tough, or tougher to win at than Vanderbilt. Plus he's still young! He's only in his early 40's so he'll have a ton of energy.

My only question mark with Mullen is how will he manage 4 and 5 star athletes VS the 2 and 3 star athletes he's coached at Mississippi State? Sometimes coaches have trouble managing the primadonnas that come recruiting higher caliber athletes.

Scott Frost is killing at Central Florida. However I don't consider him as proven as Dan Mullen.
 
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Another question. Does Mullen really want to leave Miss State or is Sexton just trying to get him another raise?
 
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