Scott Frost or Dan Mullen??

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Boomer_Vol said:
Average SOS for Mullen while at MSU = 4.42

Average SOS for Butch while at Tenn = 5.07

Go on....
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Do you need a ranking of schedules to tell you playing the likes of LSU, Auburn, and A&M is equal to playing USC, Mizzou, and Vandy every year?

Don’t tell me you actually believe this. You gotta be joking right?
 
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Odiodin said:
So you’re saying if Franklin stayed at Vandy for 9 seasons he wouldn’t win the East and gone to more than one BCS bowl?

How much is Sexton paying you to post this stuff?
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Are we keeping the rape scandal in the picture as well? I don’t blame Franklin for leaving when he did. The East slightly ticked back up and he had issues with his team.

However, his three year run wasn’t as impressive as Mullen’s three year run.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Do you need a ranking of schedules to tell you playing the likes of LSU, Auburn, and A&M is equal to playing USC, Mizzou, and Vandy every year?

Don’t tell me you actually believe this. You gotta be joking right?
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Ah the ole "What?!?! You're presenting me with facts and statistics that counter my argument? You gotta be joking omg!!!" tactic.
 
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#155
I'll take Grantham and Mullen . Two proven guys . The question with Frost is who is he bringing with him as D coordinator
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Ah the ole "What?!?! You're presenting me with facts and statistics that counter my argument? You gotta be joking omg!!!" tactic.
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Once again, you’re saying playing LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to Vandy, Mizzou, and South Carolina.....

Are you denying this?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, you’re saying playing LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to Vandy, Mizzou, and South Carolina.....

Are you denying this?
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I'm telling you that STATISTICALLY Butch Jones had a more difficult schedule while at Tennessee than Mullen has had while at MSU. Hiring Mullen would be a downgrade, STATISTICALLY speaking. Are you denying the validity of statistics?
 
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Might as well just shut down this thread. Pete Thamel says Tennessee is not good enough to get either of these two coaches.
 
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Here’s the good thing for Tennessee and Florida right now, the pool of coaches is so much deeper than just a few years ago when UF hired Mac and even when UT hired Butch. Think of the proven guys now in play; Chip Kelly, Scott Frost, Dan Mullen, even guys like Charlie Strong, Willie Taggart and Lane Kiffin as “fall back” or fringe candidates are much better than a few years ago.

Both UF and UT are in position to land very good coaches. Time to get Georgia off this “Alabama of the East” pedastal and take this thing back to Florida-Tennessee winner deciding the East every year, 1990’s style.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
I'm telling you that STATISTICALLY Butch Jones had a more difficult schedule while at Tennessee than Mullen has had while at MSU. Hiring Mullen would be a downgrade, STATISTICALLY speaking. Are you denying the validity of statistics?
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That’s not true.

Look at common opponents.

Both had Bama and UK so you can take that out of the equation.

Now look at the rest.

Auburn has been better than UGA
LSU has been better than Florida
Ole Miss has been better than Vandy
Texas A&M has been better than South Carolina
Arkansas and Mizzou have been up and down


Are you honestly saying that MSU’s non common SEC opponents are equal to Tennessee’s?

You don’t need a ranking system to answer the question either.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
That’s not true.

Look at common opponents.

Both had Bama and UK so you can take that out of the equation.

Now look at the rest.

Auburn has been better than UGA
LSU has been better than Florida
Ole Miss has been better than Vandy
Texas A&M has been better than South Carolina
Arkansas and Mizzou have been up and down


Are you honestly saying that MSU’s non common SEC opponents are equal to Tennessee’s?

You don’t need a ranking system to answer the question either.
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So you are denying the validity of statistics, correct? You are trying to look at this subjectively rather than objectively, which is silly. And by silly I mean downright absurd. "Well I feel like 'x' and 'y' does not apply here". Sorry buttercup, but numbers speak for themselves. Mullen would be a garbage hire; quite literally a downgrade, and it would set us back another decade at least.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
So you are denying the validity of statistics, correct? You are trying to look at this subjectively rather than objectively, which is silly. And by silly I mean downright absurd. "Well I feel like 'x' and 'y'" does not apply here. Sorry buttercup, but numbers speak for themselves. Mullen would be a garbage hire; quite literally a downgrade, and it would set us back another decade at least.
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I’m looking at constants. Which just so happen to make up 2/3’s of Tennessee and State’s schedules every year. Take out of OOC games (because they aren’t constant and change every year) and Tennessee’s SOS gets easier and MSU’s gets tougher. At the end of the day, 4 games every year can’t be measured equally between the two schools.

I also don’t look at OOC games because coaches in SEC get hired and fired based on SEC play at their respective schools.

You have to include 4 OOC games to make any kind of claim that their schedules are close instead of looking at the other 8 games.

At the end of the day, the fact that you say LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to USC, Vandy, and Mizzou is disturbingly insane.

The fact that you continue to think shows how little your football IQ and acumen really is.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I’m looking at constants. Which just so happen to make up 2/3’s of Tennessee and State’s schedules every year. Take out of OOC games (because they aren’t constant and change every year) and Tennessee’s SOS gets easier and MSU’s gets tougher. At the end of the day, 4 games every year can’t be measured equally between the two schools.

I also don’t look at OOC games because coaches in SEC get hired and fired based on SEC play at their respective schools.

You have to include 4 OOC games to make any kind of claim that their schedules are close instead of looking at the other 8 games.

At the end of the day, the fact that you say LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to USC, Vandy, and Mizzou is disturbingly insane.

The fact that you continue to think shows how little your football IQ and acumen really is.
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To summarize:
The statistics that I intricately made up are far more important than anyone else's. And you have a low football IQ if you can't see this.
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
To summarize:
The statistics that I intricately made up are far more important than anyone else's. And you have a low football IQ if you can't see this.
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Tennessee’s SEC Opponents’ W/L — 31-25

Mississippi State’s SEC Opponents’ W/L — 33-19


Do you really need a ranking to determine which school had the tougher schedule?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I’m looking at constants. Which just so happen to make up 2/3’s of Tennessee and State’s schedules every year. Take out of OOC games (because they aren’t constant and change every year) and Tennessee’s SOS gets easier and MSU’s gets tougher. At the end of the day, 4 games every year can’t be measured equally between the two schools.

I also don’t look at OOC games because coaches in SEC get hired and fired based on SEC play at their respective schools.

You have to include 4 OOC games to make any kind of claim that their schedules are close instead of looking at the other 8 games.

At the end of the day, the fact that you say LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to USC, Vandy, and Mizzou is disturbingly insane.

The fact that you continue to think shows how little your football IQ and acumen really is.
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If nothing else, I have to say I admire you sticking to your guns of willful ignorance. You're stubborn and I like it, even though you cannot refute the statistics and numbers I have presented to you. Bottomline is that Mullen is mediocre at best, and hiring him at Tennessee would be the coup de grâce
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
If nothing else, I have to say I admire you sticking to your guns of willful ignorance. You're stubborn and I like it, even though you cannot refute the statistics and numbers I have presented to you. Bottomline is that Mullen is mediocre at best, and hiring him at Tennessee would be the coup de grâce
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Yet you still have yet to answer a simple yes no question on whether you still think LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to Vandy, Mizzou, and USC.


Yet not one national analyst or media person agrees with that sentiment. Name one person of credibility that agrees with you.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yet you still have yet to answer a simple yes no question on whether you still think LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to Vandy, Mizzou, and USC.


Yet not one national analyst or media person agrees with that sentiment. Name one person of credibility that agrees with you.
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This is called an appeal to authority.
 
#175
#175
i said on the front page Frost. and it is for me, w/out hesitation. that guy screams winner.

and i think he's going to wind up at FL and we'll have to find out the hard way....maybe.

i think Mullen is a very good coach, and if he were to coach here, i think he would do well. how well?

well, we've had this discussion before, and to me, it boils down to really this:

Dan mullen can, for the sake of argument, go from a perrennial 6-7/w/year coach 9 win/year coach by moving to TN. recruiting, resources, playing in the East etc...all positive factors enhancing that ability to make that jump in the W column.

but that's organic growth.

can Dan Mullen get to 10+, win the East, win a conf title, go to a play off?

so, the question you have to answer about Mullen is, is his coaching ability going to not only get you to that 9 win mark in the regular season, is it enough to go along with the oganic growth, to make TN a true conteder, on some kind of regular basis??
 
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