Scott Frost or Dan Mullen??

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JMSqb11 said:
I’m looking at constants. Which just so happen to make up 2/3’s of Tennessee and State’s schedules every year. Take out of OOC games (because they aren’t constant and change every year) and Tennessee’s SOS gets easier and MSU’s gets tougher. At the end of the day, 4 games every year can’t be measured equally between the two schools.

I also don’t look at OOC games because coaches in SEC get hired and fired based on SEC play at their respective schools.

You have to include 4 OOC games to make any kind of claim that their schedules are close instead of looking at the other 8 games.

At the end of the day, the fact that you say LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to USC, Vandy, and Mizzou is disturbingly insane.

The fact that you continue to think shows how little your football IQ and acumen really is.
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Yes, the strength of schedule is completely different when you only cherry pick four games as relevant to fit your narrative.

It’s clear that being rated 1st mid year once in 9 years is all you’re looking for in a coach.

Have fun with that.
 
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Odiodin said:
Yes, the strength of schedule is completely different when you only cherry pick four games as relevant to fit your narrative.

It’s clear that being rated 1st mid year once in 9 years is all you’re looking for in a coach.

Have fun with that.
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You need 33%, which aren’t common opponents or conference opponents, of a schedule to claim that the schedules are pretty close in SOS when I only have to look at 66% of a schedule, which is 8 conference games, to show they are drastically far apart in terms of strength of schedules.

Majority > Minority
 
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Frost and it's not close in my eyes. He has that it factor and the swagger we haven't had in a really long time.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yet you still have yet to answer a simple yes no question on whether you still think LSU, Auburn, and A&M are equal to Vandy, Mizzou, and USC.


Yet not one national analyst or media person agrees with that sentiment. Name one person of credibility that agrees with you.
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You're purposefully comparing three teams that have consistently finished in the top of the SECW to 3 teams who have consistently finished in the bottom of the SECE :clapping: . Reductio ad absurdum, once again, never fails when you make the argument into what you want to make it into. I'll repeat it again; Butch Jones had a tougher schedule, which is backed up statistically, than Mullen has had at MSU. This actively refutes your claim that it has been more difficult for Mullen, and I have backed it up with objective data all-the-while you present subjective data molded to fit your narrative.

I've had enough internet for today. :rock:
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
You're purposefully comparing three teams that have consistently finished in the top of the SECW to 3 teams who have consistently finished in the bottom of the SECE :clapping: . Reductio ad absurdum, once again, never fails when you make the argument into what you want to make it into. I'll repeat it again; Butch Jones had a tougher schedule, which is backed up statistically, than Mullen has had at MSU. This actively refutes your claim that it has been more difficult for Mullen, and I have backed it up with objective data all-the-while you present subjective data molded to fit your narrative.

I've had enough internet for today. :rock:
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Lets go even further and compare each teams cross division rival.

Auburn > UGA
LSU > UF
A&M > USC
Ole Miss > Vandy
Bama > UT
MSU > UK
Arky = Mizzou.

Please tell me how the East is so much equal to the West again?

However, i just realized something. You must be a big Butch Apologists if you gotta consult a chart to say that playing Auburn, LSU, and A&M is equal to playing Mizzou, USC, and Vandy on a yearly basis
 
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jeffgordon said:
Frost-rumor:

John Currie flew to Cincinnati on October 7th to talk to Scott Frost. UCF playing Cincinnati. This is the week after the TN-Georgia game. I want to believe John Currie is ahead of the curve on this coaching change. He realizes he has to get this right.

Surely, Currie early in the process has gauged Gruden's interest.

Still think Tennessee is a much better job than Florida or Nebraska and believe Tennessee can offer more money.

Going out on a limb and think Currie surprises everyone and hires Scott Frost. Presser to name new coach November 27th.
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Currie cannot talk directly to Frost unless UCF gave permission which they would not.....in the middle of an undefeated season.

Currie has to get his guy to talk to Frost's agent.....and ask if he has interest in any up coming vacancy's.....

Lol if anyone is saying Currie went himself they are lying and don't know what they are talking about.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Lets go even further and compare each teams cross division rival.

Auburn > UGA
LSU > UF
A&M > USC
Ole Miss > Vandy
Bama > UT
MSU > UK
Arky = Mizzou.

Please tell me how the East is so much equal to the West again?

However, i just realized something. You must be a big Butch Apologists if you gotta consult a chart to say that playing Auburn, LSU, and A&M is equal to playing Mizzou, USC, and Vandy on a yearly basis
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What if I told you, and hold on to something because I don't want this to blow you away, that a full season is more than just three games? It's more than just the same three teams you have used in your subjective data over and over and over and over again. Crazy right? Now maybe you'll see the point? MSU SOS w/ Mullen < Tenn SOS w/ Butch. You've lost this argument, and no amount of strawman can save you.

Edit: also, the transitive property does not apply in the world of random events, of which college football is one. You can't say, with good and certain faith, that "because Mullen beat Auburn, he would beat Georgia since Auburn > Georgia" and so-on down your list. You know that as well as I do, but I bet that won't stop you from digging yourself deeper into this hole :)
 
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Dan Mullen makes 4.5 mil at Miss State right now, so we would have to top that.

Nebraska is about to fire Riley and throw their checkbook at Frost, which would mean we would have to outbid him and he would have to turn down his Alma Mater.

I think Chip Kelly ends up at Florida.

I think we probably end up with Norvell or someone a little lower down our list
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
What if I told you, and hold on to something because I don't want this to blow you away, that a full season is more than just three games? It's more than just the same three teams you have used in your subjective data over and over and over and over again. Crazy right? Now maybe you'll see the point? MSU SOS w/ Mullen < Tenn SOS w/ Butch. You've lost this argument, and no amount of strawman can save you.
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And i took it past 3 games to 8 games. 8 SEC games that either make or break coaches. 8 games that make are common between the two programs (SEC) and make up majority of schedule (8/12).

At the end of the day, the majority of MSU’s schedule is much tougher than the same majority of UT’s schedule. Once again, you’re saying the SEC West is equal to the East. That’s not wise.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
And i took it past 3 games to 8 games. 8 SEC games that either make or break coaches. 8 games that make are common between the two programs (SEC) and make up majority of schedule (8/12).

At the end of the day, the majority of MSU’s schedule is much tougher than the same majority of UT’s schedule. Once again, you’re saying the SEC West is equal to the East. That’s not wise.
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Check my edit. It's funny that I countered your "point" before you even made it ;)

I'm out of here for the night. Don't let this little drubbing ruin the rest of your night buddy. We're still on the same team at the end of the day
 
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Mullen has years of SEC conf. Experience and a contender in the West with his teams. It's been a remarkable run. Question is, if Mullen came to UT, how long would he stay?
 
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I like both of these candidates. And I would be happy with either if named head coach. But I hope these candidates are our floor. I truly believe if we are serious and returning to a power in the SEC we can go out and get a big time coach. Our job is attractive but we need to go offer up the money and control.

Treat this like bama did when they got Nick Saban. Don't take a no from your big time candidates.

My main guy is Chris Petersen he's not happy at Washington and his buy out is low. He's a phenomenal coach. His defense is really good. Go offer him big time money and power and resources he would come here!
 
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Vanbo73 said:
Mullen has years of SEC conf. Experience and a contender in the West with his teams. It's been a remarkable run. Question is, if Mullen came to UT, how long would he stay?
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Contender? Of his 8 seasons as a head coach at Miss St he finished 5th in the west five times. Fourth twice. That's one season where he finished better than 4th in the west. 2nd in the west in 2014
 
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TheDeeble said:
Contender? Of his 8 seasons as a head coach at Miss St he finished 5th in the west five times. Fourth twice. That's one season where he finished better than 4th in the west. 2nd in the west in 2014
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Unfortunately, the mullenites can’t seem to comprehend this.

He’s never been a “contender” for anything.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Contender? Of his 8 seasons as a head coach at Miss St he finished 5th in the west five times. Fourth twice. That's one season where he finished better than 4th in the west.
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But...but...but it’s the West (blue font)

Y’all should get over the idea of Mullen. We have a better shot at getting Gruden. Sexton is just shopping him for a bigger raise. He loves Starkville. Gets paid bank for meh expectations and he hates recruiting. Ain’t gonna happen.

Frost. Needs more big time head coaching experience. He may be very good one day at an elite level but not what UT needs ATM. He should only be considered as a 5th or 6th option and only if he can be gotten for less than $3M along with a $15M+ buyout for Nebraska.
 
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Guys honestly I'm a Gruden fan, but concerning Mullen....
It would be a decent hire, but I can't get over the short comings. For instance last year when they lost to South Alabama, really tarnished his rep with me. If you watch the replay(waste of time) he looks totally lost and out coached. OR the Kentucky game or the numerous loses to Satan,...!#!^# I mean Saban. I live in Bama country and down here he's a joke. That being said would be interesting to see what he can do with our resources.
 
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Boomer_Vol said:
Average SOS for Mullen while at MSU = 4.42

Average SOS for Butch while at Tenn = 5.07

Go on....

Edit: if a rating of 0 is "average", then a more positive (+) number indicates a more difficult schedule, while a negative (-) number would denote an easier schedule than "average"
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Lets see SOS for Butch and Mullen from 2013-107

2013- MSU (20) UT (33)

2014- MSU (10) UT (24)

2015- MSU (9) UT (12)

2016- MSU (50) UT (24)

2017 (as of right now)- MSU (13) UT (55)

So average SOS ranking for the last 5 years for both coaches are Mullen (20th) and Butch (30th).

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Now lets look at some recruiting numbers. From 2013- 2017 Butch's average recruiting rank has been right at 13th. Mullen's has been 26th. Average per recruit per year from 2013-2017: Butch (88.24), Mullen (86.39).

Mullen has beaten #8 LSU, #6 TAMU and #2 Auburn. With far lesser talent. Butch hasnt come close to any of that. So with lesser talent and tougher schedules, Mullen has out performed Butch. Also, it needs to be mentioned that MSU is one of the hardest schools in the SEC to recruit at. Mullen doesnt have anywhere near the recruiting budget or pipelines that Tennessee does.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Unfortunately, the mullenites can’t seem to comprehend this.

He’s never been a “contender” for anything.
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Nick Saban

Les Miles

gus Malzahan

Name another coach that has beaten those guys on a consistent basis. Some of you obviously have trouble seeing talented coaches. People scream about Frost whom has done nothing in a nobody conference.
 
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In the all-time SEC won/loss records, MSU ranks 12th amongst the (current) 14 SEC schools, ahead of only Kentucky and Vandy. They have to play Bama every year, but we get Vandy every year, too, not every 6 years. So they're historically the worst team in the West. Mullen is 68-45 at MSU. Yeah, he's 0-9 against Bama; when was the last time UT beat Bama? The guy can coach. He may not be a home run, but he's a stand up triple.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Unfortunately, the mullenites can’t seem to comprehend this.

He’s never been a “contender” for anything.
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Mullen has done more with less, than UT since '09. A coach doesn't have to win 5 national titles to prove their worth. I'm not a " mullenite" whatever that is. I'm merely providing my opinion to the OP question.
 
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