Roster Construction Doomed This Team

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Dougie_D said:
What is all the hate on Carey? I'm actually very curious. His average stats from Vandy are somewhat the exact same this season at TN.
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I agree. He is exactly the player I thought we were getting. I could never understand why CRB went after him instead of a stretch four.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Carey is really the only one I absolutely don’t wanna see back, I realize 1-2 more probably gotta go, but again I’m good with whatever as long as we can bring in at least 3
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If Burg was 20, I’d be fine bringing him back.

The fact he’s 23 and he looked lost for 3.5 months…and his minutes lately were passable. Not sure I’d even say he was an asset out there. I’d rather they improve that spot
 
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WaywardVol said:
First I’ve heard of that. I heard the staff knew of the Aidoo transfer to Arkansas, but were caught completely flat footed on Awaka. Dude’s gonna make a Final Four.

Carr, despite his offense, I get. He was never going to fit with Barnes. But, that speaks more to Barnes’ inflexibility.

Barnes has and will win a lot of games. Sadly, there is a ceiling to his style and his long career proves that to be the case.
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Carr got to be showcased and will be a 1st rounder. So he was ultimately right. But what a loss for Tennessee. Carr would be an All-American and Tennessee would be a true FF contender. It blows.
 
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Dougie_D said:
What is all the hate on Carey? I'm actually very curious. His average stats from Vandy are somewhat the exact same this season at TN.
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Because he's not very good? Saying his stats are the same as they were at Vandy isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
 
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Dougie_D said:
What is all the hate on Carey? I'm actually very curious. His average stats from Vandy are somewhat the exact same this season at TN.
www.espn.com

Jaylen Carey Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN

Complete career NCAAM stats for the Tennessee Volunteers Forward Jaylen Carey on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.
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He doesn’t play defense. He has zero basketball IQ. He can’t pass. He can’t hit free throws. And he shoots less than 5 feet on 95% of his shots and hits less than 50%.
 
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I believe we were swayed as In 2 games vs UT last year Carey/
32 pts, 9/12 (75%) from field, 11/15 (73%) from the line with 17 rebounds. Has to be frustrating to all involved, including Carey, to see the point blank misses and ft struggles.
 
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Chaz-Vol said:
Agree with your list. Boswell should be a 6th man defense energy guy off the bench. If Brown and Evans take sophomore leap could see both starting with Estrella.

Barnes should be hitting portal for 2 starting guard spots if he has any aspirations of being top 25 team next year.
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For Boswell, that should be his only role or transfer too! I think he needs to transfer. He is not an SEC caliber two guard or wing.
 
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zjcvols said:
Carr got to be showcased and will be a 1st rounder. So he was ultimately right. But what a loss for Tennessee. Carr would be an All-American and Tennessee would be a true FF contender. It blows.
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Carr would have NEVER functioned that way under Barnes. Period. Not even close. Baylor isn’t even making the tourney, so I’m not sure how you are getting to this conclusion. Carr got to play the way he wanted to play. As his reward, his draft stock soared and he gets to go to the NIT.
 
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We needed a true point this year.

And someone who can dunk the damn ball/make a lay up. We needed a Caleb Wilson type, with the around the rim offensive aggression.
 
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WaywardVol said:
Vandy’s roster shows there’s athletic shooters out there. They aren’t paying anyone close to $4 million. Heck, I’d say we could buy their whole roster for that. Good for Ament, but you’re better off spreading it around. He’s going to be a great player one day, it he’s far to fragile and frail to do it day in and day out. I think he’ll be a better pro than Boozer, but I’d take a Boozer everyday for college.
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Well, I know at of least one of their players whois making $1 MM
 
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zjcvols said:
Carr got to be showcased and will be a 1st rounder. So he was ultimately right. But what a loss for Tennessee. Carr would be an All-American and Tennessee would be a true FF contender. It blows.
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Just shows he’s a selfish player.

Yeah, he got to pad his stats on a bad team and will likely sit at home while we’re playing in the NCAA Tournament.

Ultimately, all he cared about was scoring instead of trying to be a good teammate.

Some kids don’t want to take hard coaching.
 
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zjcvols said:
If Burg was 20, I’d be fine bringing him back.

The fact he’s 23 and he looked lost for 3.5 months…and his minutes lately were passable. Not sure I’d even say he was an asset out there. I’d rather they improve that spot
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Think he’s worth bringing back if hes ok with the expectation of a similar role next year. IMO, you need to bring in a starting 1 and 2 guard. Henderson/burg are good backups there at least and should make a big jump in the offseason imo. Let Boswell/Evans duke it out at the 3 after working on their shot all summer.

Estrella/phillips/brown you feel good about. Ideally find another big that can stretch the floor. Hopefully all 3 of them extend their range a bit in the offseason as well. If brown and Phillips can constantly knock down an elbow jumper and Estrella can get the green light from 3 I think the court would really open up.
 
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Dougie_D said:
What is all the hate on Carey? I'm actually very curious. His average stats from Vandy are somewhat the exact same this season at TN.
www.espn.com

Jaylen Carey Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN

Complete career NCAAM stats for the Tennessee Volunteers Forward Jaylen Carey on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.
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This is a great case as to why you don’t just look at a box score or stats and make a judgment
 
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zjcvols said:
If Burg was 20, I’d be fine bringing him back.

The fact he’s 23 and he looked lost for 3.5 months…and his minutes lately were passable. Not sure I’d even say he was an asset out there. I’d rather they improve that spot
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If he’s the one other to go sure, you aren’t improving 6-7 spots though, you gotta retain some guys.
 
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zjcvols said:
I was going to save this for after the season, but I'm pretty annoyed with that loss. The roster construction was really bad this year. Honestly, the historic offensive rebounding & Nate Ament turning into a lottery pick the second half of the season is the only reason they were able to be top 25 and get a top 6 seed in the tourney this year.

I don't understand why after having a small ball/stretch 4 the last two years (JJJ, then Milicic) they went after Jaylen Carey with Okpara, Phillips, and Estrella already on the team. Ament is designed to play the 4 in college. I don't get why they thought having an undersized, non-vertical 4 with zero skills and bad defense would be beneficial to the team. Imaging having a ball mover like JJJ or a stretch 4 like Milicic getting his minutes and that's probably worth 3-4 wins. I'm not blaming Carey completely, this was just a bad fit.

And while we make mistakes in recruiting/transfer portal, I don't know what the staff saw that made them think Abram & Burg would be contributors this year (more specifically Abram). Both are 23 year olds and they gave up on Abram in December. Burg finally looked like he can play competent minutes in late February. If they were freshman, I wouldn't worry about it. But they asked way too much offensively of Boswell & Evans this year. That's pretty bad scouting by the staff. Ament and Gillespie had zero space to work with this year and it really hurt both their games, they were not able to fulfill their potential this year IMO. I'm more annoyed by Carey than Abram/Burg, but it still needs to be pointed out.

I hope that the staff understands the value of having more shooting. I know they were surprised by Cameron Carr leaving in the middle of December last year and that put them behind the 8 ball a little bit (God, it's really a shame it didn't work out with him) in terms of their shooting. I know they were outbid for a couple high end shooters in last year's portal, that will happen. But I honestly do not want to watch another offense like this again. And sure, not having Zakai as a steady hand and Gillespie played way too much on the ball, but they did nothing to help him out this year. I'm not worried about the program long-term, I'm actually really excited about what Boswell, Evans, Estrella and Brown can be next year. But they cannot have as many misses as they did this year. They must focus on getting real shooting answers in the portal.
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You're singing my song. I've been beating all these same drums since the summer.
 
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WaywardVol said:
All those guys aren’t returning. Carey? Nope/ massamba? Seriously? How can Vandy fine players and we Have to get a Massamba??
Boswell is a 10-12 minute guy on any quality team, no offense to the kid. Burg? Spare me.
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Tyler Tanner was a 3* PG from Brentwood Academy. I had never heard of him until his breakout at Vandy. Did our staff ever scout him? We never offered, but neither did a lot of other schools. But he can clearly play. Mark Byington is just really good at evaluating undervalued players that fit his system.
 
#96
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ndubvols said:
Think he’s worth bringing back if hes ok with the expectation of a similar role next year. IMO, you need to bring in a starting 1 and 2 guard. Henderson/burg are good backups there at least and should make a big jump in the offseason imo. Let Boswell/Evans duke it out at the 3 after working on their shot all summer.

Estrella/phillips/brown you feel good about. Ideally find another big that can stretch the floor. Hopefully all 3 of them extend their range a bit in the offseason as well. If brown and Phillips can constantly knock down an elbow jumper and Estrella can get the green light from 3 I think the court would really open up.
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Henderson I agree. I think there's some talent there and hope he comes back.

Burg is 23 and played pro ball in Israel for like 4 years. What would make you think he can make a big jump in the offseason? I'm not seeing the leap for a 23 year old getting significantly better next year.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Tyler Tanner was a 3* PG from Brentwood Academy. I had never heard of him until his breakout at Vandy. Did our staff ever scout him? We never offered, but neither did a lot of other schools. But he can clearly play. Mark Byington is just really good at evaluating undervalued players that fit his system.
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He scored a lot in HS, but not the best HS basketball competition around here and in his league. That said, he weighed about 140 as a senior and imo kept a lot of schools away. His 2 best offers after Vandy were ole miss and Belmont and no other power 5 schools.
 
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#99
zjcvols said:
To me this is my focus:

Gotta Keep
Estrella
Brown
Evans
Boswell
Henderson

On The Fence
Phillips
Massamba

Go On Git
Carey
Burg

Then get a real PG, a wing shooter and a stretch 4. I’m fine bringing Phillips back if they add an actual stretch 4. If they think Massamba actually is something, I’m fine bringing him back. But I don’t Carey 2.0 (or bring back Carey)
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I'm bringing Phillips back. He's the closest direct replacement we have for Okpara. I'm fine with Boswell returning for some leadership and roster consistency, but I dont believe he should be our starting 2G and playing 30 mpg.
 
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Skooter said:
He scored a lot in HS, but not the best HS basketball competition around here and in his league. That said, he weighed about 140 as a senior and imo kept a lot of schools away. His 2 best offers after Vandy were ole miss and Belmont and no other power 5 schools.
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Yep, credit to Byington on finding him and offering him. Developing him, too I guess. And Tanner isn't the only example on that team. Probably not ironic that Byington said that from last year to this year, they kept the guys they wanted to keep, which obviously didn't include Carey, who we'd all gladly trade back to them.
 
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