Restaurant chains ban open carry

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Septic said:
As a matter of prudence, one should be loaded to the teeth when going into Walmart. Kidding?
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You've obviously never been in Walmart on Thanksgiving evening...

Your arguments are valid to an extent. The overall problem we have here was discussed in the other gun thread. I think a pistol on someone's hip is not quite as bad to the overall cause as a couple of idiots carrying modern sporting rifles into Chipotle. Actually a whole group of them.

But you are correct. If I saw the two idiots I posted a picture of in the other thread coming into a restaurant, I'd certainly have cleared my CCW holster while pushing my family out of the nearest exit. I'm one of the most pro-2A folks on here and I think those idiots are doing more to harm gun rights than Bloomberg and company can ever do.
 
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#77
When was a Sonic indoors? The first time we read about someone going into a Chili's shooting up the place we can then ask all the Chili Execs. how this made their establishment safer?
 
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Septic said:
I can too:

Baghdad
Kabul
Detroit
Walmart
the DMV
A saloon in a mining town in 1849
in a duel to the death
confronting a burglar in my living room
Normandy Beach


But not Chipotle
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lol

I was referencing more of the back country myself. Or like a friend of mine who's family owns a farm where the hogs are overrunning the place. We go out and take care of the hogs (with our evil ARs) but open carry a sidearm just in case. Because that hog isn't going to politely ask you if you need more time to reload while it's charging at you. Alaska is another area. Some of the lower 48 where you do have predatory animals that can and will threaten you. Location is paramount I agree.

Certain situations call for that kind of thing. Even rural communities aren't as squeamish about it as urban areas that those tards were in. As most have pointed out, they are nothing more than attention whores trying to get attention and their fifteen minutes of fame is fueling the Bloomberg propaganda machine for another fifteen months.
 
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#79
I remember reading a story in Atlanta a few years ago about a man who came into a Waffle House and started stabbing his ex girlfriend who worked there. One of the nice handgun carrying customers politely pulled out his weapon and ended the affair-the ex girlfriend would never have to worry about him again. I wonder if Waffle House has ever considered a no weapons policy.
 
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KentheOrange said:
I'm not sure your argument would get very far with anyone that was eating a Luby's in Killeen, TX in Oct, 1991 when a crazy man shot up the place.

I'm not in favor of declaring any public place a "gun free zone". It only encourages the crazy people that then know no one will be shooting back.
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These establishments aren't banning the weapons, just that they aren't open and visible. At least that's my understanding.

Frankly, if one was going to shoot up Luby's - it would be smart for the shooter to identify and neutralize the biggest threats first. i.e. The Luby's combo meal #4, it's a straight up artery clogging killer. Second would be the bluetooth in the ear, clamshell hip phone wearing gunslinger sucking on his 'biggie sized' Mountain Dew. He'd be easy to target because of his Garth Brooks "No Fences" tour t-shirt, his four screaming overweight children sans shoes and a fugly obese wife with a 'hook em horns' ball cap. Also, he'd have a 25 year old Colt 1911 ridin' low.


My point is, if you're going to pack it openly - you're likely going to get it first when shiz goes south.
 
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Sandvol said:
When was a Sonic indoors? The first time we read about someone going into a Chili's shooting up the place we can then ask all the Chili Execs. how this made their establishment safer?
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I think Chipolte is walking a fine line that they basically said they didn't want open carry firearms in the place. But never went all out and said "no firearms period."

CCW folks are smart about it and that's the point of a concealed piece. Don't let it be seen until you need it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think Chipolte is walking a fine line that they basically said they didn't want open carry firearms in the place. But never went all out and said "no firearms period."

CCW folks are smart about it and that's the point of a concealed piece. Don't let it be seen until you need it.
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Totally agree.

I remember looking at a grip integrated laser sight for my H&K .40. I just thought it'd be cool...

The salesman said, you don't need all that nonsense. You know your house better than anyone, in the dark the first thing you want an intruder to see is the muzzle flash not a red light swinging around.
 
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Septic said:
Totally agree.

I remember looking at a grip integrated laser sight for my H&K .40. I just thought it'd be cool...

The salesman said, you don't need all that nonsense. You know your house better than anyone, in the dark the first thing you want an intruder to see is the muzzle flash not a red light swinging around.
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Some people love them, but it takes away from the fundamentals of firing by having the shooter focus on the laser as opposed to the front sight like they should be. And when you take that laser away, people's accuracy falls way off in my experience.

Crimson Trace and like companies have made a killing off the general public's misconceptions of point shooting.
 
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#84
Grand Vol said:
You've obviously never been in Walmart on Thanksgiving evening...

Your arguments are valid to an extent. The overall problem we have here was discussed in the other gun thread. I think a pistol on someone's hip is not quite as bad to the overall cause as a couple of idiots carrying modern sporting rifles into Chipotle. Actually a whole group of them.

But you are correct. If I saw the two idiots I posted a picture of in the other thread coming into a restaurant, I'd certainly have cleared my CCW holster while pushing my family out of the nearest exit. I'm one of the most pro-2A folks on here and I think those idiots are doing more to harm gun rights than Bloomberg and company can ever do.
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Agreed. The actions of these Texas groups are ridiculous and absurd. Does nothing to help gunowners. Just makes us all look more ridiculous and unnecessarily confrontational.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just visceral reaction-wise, to me there is a difference between this

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and this


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The first guys look like hunters who dropped in for lunch. The second guy looks like a douche.
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If those look like hunting rifles to you, then why do you guys always make lists that rank them as assault rifles?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Some people love them, but it takes away from the fundamentals of firing by having the shooter focus on the laser as opposed to the front sight like they should be. And when you take that laser away, people's accuracy falls way off in my experience.

Crimson Trace and like companies have made a killing off the general public's misconceptions of point shooting.
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Yeah it was crimson trace, they didn't make it for my compact .40 anyway.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Just that you are reminded that was a retired cop with a concealed carry piece.

Just that the facts are out there that it wasn't a John Wayne sporting his wheel gun in a low slung holster.
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My point was simply that you take easier and quicker access to a handgun, add irritated people already on edge, and put them together in an environment where "I'll show you" is the norm = bad juju.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Kind surprised it took you this long to discover this. It's only been in the news for well over a week now.

SO you'd be perfectly fine with someone hauling in an AR and SKS while you were eating, but would get squeamish over someone wearing a pistol?

lulz, classic LG
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Not perfectly fine. Hunters walking in with rifles would make me roll my eyes. Someone walking in with a Glock on their hip and I'm leaving and telling the maneger on the way out I will never return unless they ban it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My point was simply that you take easier and quicker access to a handgun, add irritated people already on edge, and put them together in an environment where "I'll show you" is the norm = bad juju.
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Don't omit the facts when they don't fit your agenda. Take ownership for your mistakes.

I think your plan for a thread of evil anti-gun filled propaganda backfired on you this time. Especially when most of the posters here agree it was stupid of those idiots to walk into a restaurant with long guns. Kind of takes the wind out of your sails doesn't it?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not perfectly fine. Hunters walking in with rifles would make me roll my eyes. Someone walking in with a Glock on their hip and I'm leaving and telling the maneger on the way out I will never return unless they ban it.
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What happens if the person is an off duty cop?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not perfectly fine. Hunters walking in with rifles would make me roll my eyes. Someone walking in with a Glock on their hip and I'm leaving and telling the maneger on the way out I will never return unless they ban it.
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Don't tell them that or they'll pay somebody to walk in with a Glock just to keep you out of their hair. :p
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not perfectly fine. Hunters walking in with rifles would make me roll my eyes. Someone walking in with a Glock on their hip and I'm leaving and telling the maneger on the way out I will never return unless they ban it.
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A liberal relying on capitalism to refine politics... Well, now I've seen everything.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't omit the facts when they don't fit your agenda. Take ownership for your mistakes.

I think your plan for a thread of evil anti-gun filled propaganda backfired on you this time. Especially when most of the posters here agree it was stupid of those idiots to walk into a restaurant with long guns. Kind of takes the wind out of your sails doesn't it?
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He can always just fall back on the "at least they're all racists; amiright or amiright?" bit.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What happens if the person is an off duty cop?
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Cops are always strapped. But off duty it should be concealed. In fact, although not having looked, I would imagine all agencies state in their general orders that off duty cops can't display either their badge or their weapon, or any other insignia.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not perfectly fine. Hunters walking in with rifles would make me roll my eyes. Someone walking in with a Glock on their hip and I'm leaving and telling the maneger on the way out I will never return unless they ban it.
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I highly doubt you would be able to identify a Glock or any other manufacturer for that matter.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't omit the facts when they don't fit your agenda. Take ownership for your mistakes.

I think your plan for a thread of evil anti-gun filled propaganda backfired on you this time. Especially when most of the posters here agree it was stupid of those idiots to walk into a restaurant with long guns. Kind of takes the wind out of your sails doesn't it?
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I am delighted to see that most folks here think that the handgun open carry people need mental health treatment.

The NRA thought that, too. For awhile.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Cops are always strapped. But off duty it should be concealed. In fact, although not having looked, I would imagine all agencies state in their general orders that off duty cops can't display either their badge or their weapon, or any other insignia.
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You entirely positive about that?

Might want to make sure before you start making absolute claims.
 
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