Restaurant chains ban open carry

#51
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Septic said:
If someone chooses to openly carry versus concealing, they are trying to make a point. The point could be don't **** with me, look how anti establishment I am or I feel insecure and need to outwardly project compensation.

Irrespective, they are all 'points being made' when if the goal was personal protection a concealed firearm would have sufficed.

People who can conceal but choose not to and whine because a private business tells them no thanks are idiots.

Just conceal the damn thing...
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To the boldened I absolutely agree. To the rest I feel there's too much generalization.
 
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Just visceral reaction-wise, to me there is a difference between this

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and this


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The first guys look like hunters who dropped in for lunch. The second guy looks like a douche.
 
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Septic said:
If someone chooses to openly carry versus concealing, they are trying to make a point. The point could be don't **** with me, look how anti establishment I am or I feel insecure and need to outwardly project compensation.

Irrespective, they are all 'points being made' when if the goal was personal protection a concealed firearm would have sufficed.

People who can conceal but choose not to and whine because a private business tells them no thanks are idiots.

Just conceal the damn thing...
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Private businesses have a right to ban, I have a right to not go there. Works out perfectly for both parties.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just visceral reaction-wise, to me there is a difference between this

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and this


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The first guys look like hunters who dropped in for lunch. The second guy looks like a douche.
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You realize the first pic contains those big black scary guns you're so terrified of, right?
 
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Two of those serve alcohol, don't all states prohibit open carry in such establishments?

Sonic, I don't get. No one eats inside a sonic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just visceral reaction-wise, to me there is a difference between this

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and this


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The first guys look like hunters who dropped in for lunch. The second guy looks like a douche.
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So you admit you can use semi-automatic rifles for hunting. I agree!
 
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Septic said:
No I mean anyone who openly carries, they are all trying to make a point. If you're not a cop, there's no need to have a .357 openly strapped to your waist. Chipotle isn't the O.K. corral.
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I do think there are certain situations where the open carry of a handgun is perfectly acceptable and might even be encouraged.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Dude shot and killed a guy for irritating him by texting in a movie theater. If you don't think that kind of thing will be more and more common, then you might consider that it is you not being realistic.
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Just that you are reminded that was a retired cop with a concealed carry piece.

Just that the facts are out there that it wasn't a John Wayne sporting his wheel gun in a low slung holster.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Just visceral reaction-wise, to me there is a difference between this

BN-DB129_openca_G_20140602173557.jpg


and this

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The first guys look like hunters who dropped in for lunch. The second guy looks like a douche.
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Kind surprised it took you this long to discover this. It's only been in the news for well over a week now.

SO you'd be perfectly fine with someone hauling in an AR and SKS while you were eating, but would get squeamish over someone wearing a pistol?

lulz, classic LG
 
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Long time lurker, seldom poster here. I think Septic presents some valid points in his analysis of the current topic. I'm as much of a gun enthusiast and advocate of gun rights as most, however, even I have to agree that the sensitivity by some over this is a bit over the top. These establishments aren't limiting your right to carry a firearm, they simply just wish for it not to be visible to other patrons. In my experience, a majority of the people that feel the need to display a firearm openly in a public setting aren't usually proficient enough with the particular weapon system to effective employ it. One, by displaying it openly you scream "look at me" and draw unnecessary attention to yourself, and two if you are that concerned with your personal safety, some hand to hand self defense training will benefit you in many more situations throughout life than having to repel an assault at Applebee's utilizing a handgun.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sonic, Chili's, and Chipotle, and I think some others, have banned people from coming into their restaurants while openly carrying firearms.

“I understand people get nervous when they see people walking around with guns, but they should understand they don’t have a Constitutional right to feel warm and fuzzy,” open carry supporter Chris Donawho told WFAA, “but we do have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”



Yeah, that's the guy I want sitting at the table next to me. Sheesz.
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So?

Property owners/businesses should be able to set their own policies.
 
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I have no problem with businesses banning open carry but the reasoning seems flawed. When I see someone walking around the Walmart with their gun on their hip, I don't worry about them. They're going to be the ones that are on your side if shiz hits the fan. It's the ones who have it concealed in their waistband that concerns me. And CC people I'm not talking about you. You guys have proper CC holsters.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Private businesses have a right to ban, I have a right to not go there. Works out perfectly for both parties.
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Indeed. Seems silly though when all you have to do is put your firearm inside your shirt.
 
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Definitely agree that many open carriers are just trying to show their ass. Now, I've been to some podunk towns that might as well have been basically hunting camps, and seeing some guys carry their rifles with them into the diner wouldn't be uncommon or weird. But that's really the exception to rule here.
 
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Blueticks said:
Long time lurker, seldom poster here. I think Septic presents some valid points in his analysis of the current topic. I'm as much of a gun enthusiast and advocate of gun rights as most, however, even I have to agree that the sensitivity by some over this is a bit over the top. These establishments aren't limiting your right to carry a firearm, they simply just wish for it not to be visible to other patrons. In my experience, a majority of the people that feel the need to display a firearm openly in a public setting aren't usually proficient enough with the particular weapon system to effective employ it. One, by displaying it openly you scream "look at me" and draw unnecessary attention to yourself, and two if you are that concerned with your personal safety, some hand to hand self defense training will benefit you in many more situations throughout life than having to repel an assault at Applebee's utilizing a handgun.
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:hi:

You should post more
 
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CNCVol88 said:
I have no problem with businesses banning open carry but the reasoning seems flawed. When I see someone walking around the Walmart with their gun on their hip, I don't worry about them. They're going to be the ones that are on your side if shiz hits the fan. It's the ones who have it concealed in their waistband that concerns me. And CC people I'm not talking about you. You guys have proper CC holsters.
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As a matter of prudence, one should be loaded to the teeth when going into Walmart. Kidding?

I wonder how many NRA open carry advocates would feel safer if they saw two or three black guys stroll into walmart with tec nines and shotguns.

Shoot first, ask questions later? Isn't that how the saying goes?
 
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Blueticks said:
Long time lurker, seldom poster here. I think Septic presents some valid points in his analysis of the current topic. I'm as much of a gun enthusiast and advocate of gun rights as most, however, even I have to agree that the sensitivity by some over this is a bit over the top. These establishments aren't limiting your right to carry a firearm, they simply just wish for it not to be visible to other patrons. In my experience, a majority of the people that feel the need to display a firearm openly in a public setting aren't usually proficient enough with the particular weapon system to effective employ it. One, by displaying it openly you scream "look at me" and draw unnecessary attention to yourself, and two if you are that concerned with your personal safety, some hand to hand self defense training will benefit you in many more situations throughout life than having to repel an assault at Applebee's utilizing a handgun.
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I'm not sure your argument would get very far with anyone that was eating a Luby's in Killeen, TX in Oct, 1991 when a crazy man shot up the place.

I'm not in favor of declaring any public place a "gun free zone". It only encourages the crazy people that then know no one will be shooting back.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I do think there are certain situations where the open carry of a handgun is perfectly acceptable and might even be encouraged.
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I can too:

Baghdad
Kabul
Detroit
Walmart
the DMV
A saloon in a mining town in 1849
in a duel to the death
confronting a burglar in my living room
Normandy Beach


But not Chipotle
 
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