Recruiting Forum Off Topic Thread III

[Glitch]

Is...is that a threat against Japanese children? 😂

Oh. You were talking about Japan. Yeah those heathens need some Jesus.

 

[Glitch]

i have two girls, and i agree with all this.:thumbsup:

I have three girls. Everyday is a worry from dawn til dusk. You have to educate and protect. It is a fine line.

 

[Brillovol]

I have three girls. Everyday is a worry from dawn til dusk. You have to educate and protect. It is a fine line.

Speaking of education, we’ve started educating our 8 year old daughter (well my wife mostly) on sex. Fun times.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Oh. You were talking about Japan. Yeah those heathens need some Jesus.

We’ve got some Mormons.

 

[Glitch]

We’ve got some Mormons.

My heathen comment stands.

 

[Glitch]

Speaking of education, we’ve started educating our 8 year old daughter (well my wife mostly) on sex. Fun times.

Yeah. It is scary how young you have to start having that conversation. My are struggling with my 12 year old. Should've had more serious conversations earlier.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

My heathen comment stands.

Heretics, maybe. But Mormons are too mild mannered to be heathens lol

Some came to my door last year and I answered, beer in hand. When they asked what I believe I told them I’m Pentecostal and invited them inside to hold my snake.

Haven’t seen them around my apartment building again

 

[Glitch]

Heretics, maybe. But Mormons are too mild mannered to be heathens lol

Some came to my door last year and I answered, beer in hand. When they asked what I believe I told them I’m Pentecostal and invited them inside to hold my snake.

Haven’t seen them around my apartment building again

Smart move. When the Jehovah's Witnesses are loose in my neighborhood, i put on a banana hammock and go cut the front yard.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Heretics, maybe. But Mormons are too mild mannered to be heathens lol

Some came to my door last year and I answered, beer in hand. When they asked what I believe I told them I’m Pentecostal and invited them inside to hold my snake.

Haven’t seen them around my apartment building again

Dude..you are blaphemer extraordinaire...but that is hilarious 😂

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Smart move. When the Jehovah's Witnesses are loose in my neighborhood, i put on a banana hammock and go cut the front yard.

😂 Iron sharpens Iron...amirite?

 

[drvenner]

I'd encourage you to look up a guy by the name of Brad Harrub. Might change your mind, if you're open minded on the topic.

I am open-minded about most things. If I find the time, I will look him up.

 

[roosterjbh]

A lot of people have killed as a result of believing evolution, that people are nothing but animals, absolutely.

Okay. Here’s 101:

Age of the earth - creation.com

Just please don't push this on children. Please

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Just please don't push this on children. Please

How about I tell children, as evolutionists do, that they are nothing more than animals with no transcendent value, no standard of morality, an no purpose in life.

You're worried about the possibility of me telling them that the earth is young when the secular, evolutionary world is telling them that?

 

[bignewt]

Wow woke up to some good stuff from last night! Makes me happy to be a childless agnostic who can look into his dog's eyes and know they have a soul and look at the Grand Canyon and know full well it took longer than 6000 years to form.

These last couple of days may have been the most civil religious/gender discussion I have ever seen. Except for Chief. He is still a waste of a functioning keyboard.

 

[bignewt]

How about I tell children, as evolutionists do, that they are nothing more than animals with no transcendent value, no standard of morality, an no purpose in life.

You're worried about the possibility of me telling them that the earth is young when the secular, evolutionary world is telling them that?

What you can do is tell them to explore and think for themselves and seek the answers to life, live fully and abide by the golden rule.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

How about I tell children, as evolutionists do, that they are nothing more than animals with no transcendent value, no standard of morality, an no purpose in life.

Very few people, if any, make this argument.

Just because someone doesn’t believe that a creator instilled a sense of morality in the universe doesn’t mean no standard of morality can exist, or that humans don’t have features that raise our value above those of animals, or that we can have no purpose in our lives.


What you’re really upset about is “evolutionists” telling people something you don’t believe: that we’re physiological no different from animals, with value that isn’t based upon your beliefs, with standards of morality that differ from your beliefs, and life purposes that don’t align with your own.

 

[jakez4ut]

What you can do is tell them to explore and think for themselves and seek the answers to life, live fully and abide by the golden rule.

agreed. i'm big on this w/my kids. don't be a mouth breather. find out for yourself, form your own opinion/belief on whatever it is....

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Very few people, if any, make this argument.

Just because someone doesn’t believe that a creator instilled a sense of morality in the universe doesn’t mean no standard of morality can exist, or that humans don’t have features that raise our value above those of animals, or that we can have no purpose in our lives.


What you’re really upset about is “evolutionists” telling people something you don’t believe: that we’re physiological no different from animals, with value that isn’t based upon your beliefs, with standards of morality that differ from your beliefs, and life purposes that don’t align with your own.

Nobody is upset first of all.

But if you don't think people are making these statements then you aren't reading or listening to mainstream atheists that are preaching the doctrine of atheism.

 

[Glitch]

Very few people, if any, make this argument.

Just because someone doesn’t believe that a creator instilled a sense of morality in the universe doesn’t mean no standard of morality can exist, or that humans don’t have features that raise our value above those of animals, or that we can have no purpose in our lives.


What you’re really upset about is “evolutionists” telling people something you don’t believe: that we’re physiological no different from animals, with value that isn’t based upon your beliefs, with standards of morality that differ from your beliefs, and life purposes that don’t align with your own.

We are animals, physiologically. However, our laws all stem from the basic standards that God hands down to us. Societies that don't have God at their foundation fail. The powerful can take advantage of the weak and law and order breaks down.

 

[jakez4ut]

Nobody is upset first of all.

But if you don't think people are making these statements then you aren't reading or listening to mainstream atheists that are preaching the doctrine of atheism.

they're on one side of the spectrum, just like, and i really mean this, no offense...you're on the other side of the spectrum in regards to Christianity.

the middle is full of indifference, either way.

like i'm a Christian, but i don't share your zeal, or agree with everything you've said here. just like i'm sure there's more atheists out there that would probably agree that teaching kids the principles of no transcendent value, no standard of morality, an no purpose in life isn't in the best interest of the kid. my sister in law fits in that category as an atheist.

 

[Ron Swanson]

How about I tell children, as evolutionists do, that they are nothing more than animals with no transcendent value, no standard of morality, an no purpose in life.

Who does that? I'm guessing it's a very tiny % of people.

I'm agnostic and I have kids and the golden rule works just fine in my home.

I'm going to let my children form their own opinions on the meaning of life, is there a god, etc.. instead of forcing something upon them.

You don't believe evolution is real?

 

[roosterjbh]

How about I tell children, as evolutionists do, that they are nothing more than animals

Well, I mean we are. Just intelligent, highly evolved ones

with no transcendent value

If you mean transcendent as in above ordinary, then my son has great transcendent value to me. I'm sure I hold great value to my wife and family. We all hold value based on what we can do for society, for others beings. Our value is relative

no standard of morality

Yeah, you can take that and shove it. I am moral because I can feel empathy, and have a consequentialist ethical system. If you think the only thing holding you back from killing and raping is believing there is a god, or a god gave you rules to follow, that's pretty shameful IMO. I think to believe millions on millions will burn in an internal hell because they didn't believe something you do isn't very ethical.

an no purpose in life.

Our purpose is what we make of ourselves, what we strive to be. We have a finite time here, lets make the best of it. I think its pretty delusional to believe that we on a relatively small planet in an unfathomably large universe are the center of it. The only ones that matter.

You're worried about the possibility of me telling them that the earth is young when the secular, evolutionary world is telling them that?

We are already far behind other first world nations in scientific literacy/STEM subjects. Please don't fill kids head with pseudoscientific nonsense that only the fringe of the fringe percentage of evangelical Christian scientists believe.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

they're on one side of the spectrum, just like, and i really mean this, no offense...you're on the other side of the spectrum in regards to Christianity.

the middle is full of indifference, either way.

like i'm a Christian, but i don't share your zeal, or agree with everything you've said here. just like i'm sure there's more atheists out there that would probably agree that teaching kids the principles of no transcendent value, no standard of morality, an no purpose in life isn't in the best interest of the kid. my sister in law fits in that category as an atheist.

Rather than have an ongoing discussion about this, everyone can listen to the debate if they would like that I will post at the end of this statement. This debate was between Christian Apologist Dr. James White and the Vice President of American Atheists David Silverman. Silverman is no layperson, but is very well known and has wide influence. Listen to him affirm everything that I have said in these discussions. The implications of atheism and evolution are that there is no transcendent meaning, purpose, or value for human life, and yes, there is no objective standard for morality. Silverman will argue that the common consensus of men determine what morality is. That will lead him to the eventual, and quite shocking, admission that he could not stand at the gates of Auschwitz and say that what happened there is evil. He can only say that in his opinion it was evil. This is where the implications of atheism lead.

While of course there are atheists that will not teach their children this, just as you said that Christians will disagree with one another, they cannot explain why they would not teach their children this. In order to teach children that there is a purpose to their lives, that they do have transcendent value, and that there is a standard of morality, they would have to borrow from the Christian worldview to do it. James White masterfully points this out in this debate. So while atheists may teach there is a standard of morality, that is inconsistent with their worldview and does not flow from it. Morality in a consistent atheistic worldview would be nothing more than subjective opinion, as Silverman admits.

Is The NT Evil? (White vs Silverman) | SermonAudio.com

 

[Ron Swanson]

Great post, Roosterjbh. I agree with everything you said.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

We are animals, physiologically. However, our laws all stem from the basic standards that God hands down to us. Societies that don't have God at their foundation fail. The powerful can take advantage of the weak and law and order breaks down.

All societies fail eventually. Economic or political factors are almost always at the heart of it.

Our laws and moral standards and values have changed wildly throughout human history. Peoples who were in places like Polynesia, Australia, or North/South America long before the spread of hydro-Christian influence had systems of law and/or morality.