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volssam said:
Sigh. Catbone. Come on man.

I can't even.

I think you're already set in your mind and have a negative image of Cruz so it would be pointless to try to change your mind.

For all the bringing in new people trump is doing, his negatives are astronomically high and polls Show him getting destroyed by Clinton. Hilary Clinton.
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You realize how many votes he will get from bernie supporters and independents, especially if the damn GOP would stop attacking him? Hillary would lose. I'm out I promise :) just feisty after this Colorado BS
 
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Thing is, cat. With all this discussing on here, we won't even have an impact. Haha. Because no matter who the nominee is, they will win TN and GA. With or without us.
 
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Those people are included in those polls. They're national polls. Haha. Oh well. If trump gets the nomination, I won't vote for him. But I'm pretty sure I will want him to win.

Cruz inspires me. I just wish people could get past the negative image of him presented by the media and by trump and his supporters. And just look at his proven record and his history. He is a proven conservative who believes in limited government
 
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Most people don't realize that Abraham Lincoln won the primary and then presidency thanks to a contested convention. Seward was the Donald Trump of that race, leading with a similar plurality, but Lincoln left the convention as the nominee. Same thing with Dwight D. Eisenhower, James Garfield, Benjamin Harrison, Warren Harding, and Rutherford B. Hayes. 6 out of 10 contested Republican nominees won their general elections while 4 of 10 uncontested, non-incumbent Republican nominees won theirs.
 
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I meant the independents that won't vote for Hillary will vote Trump. Currently they're mostly voting Bernie (until he loses). Also, 1/3 of Sanders supporters say they won't vote hillary. They're much more likely to vote Trump than Cruz. But yeah, both states are going Red regardless. Politics and religion really make for a good time huh?!
 
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Catbone said:
I meant the independents that won't vote for Hillary will vote Trump. Currently they're mostly voting Bernie (until he loses). Also, 1/3 of Sanders supporters say they won't vote hillary. They're much more likely to vote Trump than Cruz. But yeah, both states are going Red regardless. Politics and religion really make for a good time huh?!
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I'm sorry but Sanders supporters are not going to vote for Trump, even over Cruz. Trump is the antithesis of Sanders.
 
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volssam said:
But it's the party in each individual state making their own rules. It's not like the national party people got in years ago and said let's set up Colorado to be a firewall against trump. The state level people set up their own system.

If the people of Colorado don't like it, it's up to them to change it. It is what it is.

One of my main issues is, don't try to pile on Cruz and say he's corrupt when he is simply working within the parameters already set up and he's simply outworking trump
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Sam, they've known this is the wrong thing to do since they first changed it to what it is in 2004. They ran primaries for 3 straight presidential primaries starting with 1992. They stopped and went to the non-caucus caucus, allegedly because of an economic downturn. Not buying it. If, indeed, there was a terrible economic downturn in CO, don't you think you should find a way to get more people involved in the process to get fresh ideas to come out of it so you can turn it around because the rest of the country was doing quite well in 2004?

A group tried to move it back to a primary in 2015, but the GOP dominated state senate torpedoed it. There is so much pressure on them now, you can bet it will change by the next time. Cruz played the game well and won. Congrats. Trump didn't play the game well. Oh well, move on. Meanwhile the voters got screwed. So Cruz gets on national TV and celebrates a great victory in CO. That's bull. It was a mockery that did nothing to ingratiate himself to the likely GOP voting public other than his current supporters. Which is the point. Whoopee - he wins the nomination and loses the support of many more people than voted for him in the process.

Colorado considering change to presidential primary after 2016 caucus uproar - The Denver Post

I am not going to join you with you on the Cruz is not corrupt bandwagon. Unlike you I do not know that for sure. I know of lies he has told per quotes he has made. But that is OK, all of them do it right? I know Romney and the establishment have shifted their support his way. I know he is an attorney by training, and I know what is required of attorneys to do their jobs because I have over 35 years of business experience having dealt with many, many of them. So I will take a wait and see on that one.
 
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Well I don't think they're going to vote for the Don en masse either. If Hillary is too sketchy for the commie true believers then Don definitely is. I just don't see the occu-poopers supporting a self proclaimed billionaire who's bribed more people than a Mexican coyote. My guess is they just won't vote at all, which is actually okay. A decent number of those who do vote will probably vote green party or write in some other nut. I will say, however, that if Donald wins the nomination I hope he destroys Hillary Clinton. I hope he beats her worse than anyone has ever been beaten in the history of elections. If anyone thinks I've been rough on Trump just wait until it's Hillary's turn. There's no comparison between her and anyone in the Republican race. But, I don't think he will unless something major changes.
 
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Literally, the party said: "If your voters choose one guy, then the delegates have to go to that guy." Colorado Republicans threw a fit, and said: "No, 37 people are more important than the entirety of the voting population of Colorado."

Yeah that's totally fair isn't it? Rules are only in place to stop who the elite don't want to win. It's so so evident. I don't care if it's "the rules"... come on... the rules themselves are made to let the GOP establishment choose whoever they want, not the people of the country like it should. In this case they're giving the delegates to Cruz so trump can't hit 1237.
 
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Catbone said:
Literally, the party said: "If your voters choose one guy, then the delegates have to go to that guy." Colorado Republicans threw a fit, and said: "No, 37 people are more important than the entirety of the voting population of Colorado."

Yeah that's totally fair isn't it? Rules are only in place to stop who the elite don't want to win. It's so so evident. I don't care if it's "the rules"... come on... the rules themselves are made to let the GOP establishment choose whoever they want, not the people of the country like it should. In this case they're giving the delegates to Cruz sp trump can't hit 1237.
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You don't understand. The National GOP tried to meddle and force them to change their rules to lock in delegates based on the straw poll vote which had NEVER BEEN DONE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF COLORADO. Never. It was the state, who are elected by the people, who said, nope. The reason is so that their state's delegates can be directly elected individually by the people and not be bound to candidates who may not even be in the race. Heck it even opens the opportunity for more people to run as delegates themselves. So now the national GOP is for the people and the local state legislatures are the establishment? No. The caucus system was designed “as a way to limit the power of party bosses and to attract more grassroots involvement" going back to 1912. It works, too. But now that the all powerful Trump comes along it's somehow a new rigged scheme against his awesomeness. He didn't put the work in at all and he lost fair and square because of it. Pure and utter incompetence.
 
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Vols4us said:
Sam, they've known this is the wrong thing to do since they first changed it to what it is in 2004. They ran primaries for 3 straight presidential primaries starting with 1992. They stopped and went to the non-caucus caucus, allegedly because of an economic downturn. Not buying it. If, indeed, there was a terrible economic downturn in CO, don't you think you should find a way to get more people involved in the process to get fresh ideas to come out of it so you can turn it around because the rest of the country was doing quite well in 2004?

A group tried to move it back to a primary in 2015, but the GOP dominated state senate torpedoed it. There is so much pressure on them now, you can bet it will change by the next time. Cruz played the game well and won. Congrats. Trump didn't play the game well. Oh well, move on. Meanwhile the voters got screwed. So Cruz gets on national TV and celebrates a great victory in CO. That's bull. It was a mockery that did nothing to ingratiate himself to the likely GOP voting public other than his current supporters. Which is the point. Whoopee - he wins the nomination and loses the support of many more people than voted for him in the process.

Colorado considering change to presidential primary after 2016 caucus uproar - The Denver Post

I am not going to join you with you on the Cruz is not corrupt bandwagon. Unlike you I do not know that for sure. I know of lies he has told per quotes he has made. But that is OK, all of them do it right? I know Romney and the establishment have shifted their support his way. I know he is an attorney by training, and I know what is required of attorneys to do their jobs because I have over 35 years of business experience having dealt with many, many of them. So I will take a wait and see on that one.
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Not sure where all that came from. Haha. But you are free to make your own opinion and choice of course.

Don't think I ever said I was sure of anything. He may be sly and corrupt. Maybe he lies. Maybe he lies a lot. I don't see it myself. But maybe I am blind/naive. But also making a generalization/stereotype about a whole group of people and say "all lawyers" or "all politicians" doesn't seem fair either.

Here is what I know. When they were in Iowa, the other candidates tried to buy favor and say they would continue the ethanol subsidies (including trump). But even though it is an unpopular stance in Iowa, Cruz stuck to his guns because it was what he thought was right. He didn't lie to them. He told them he would phase them out. And he won Iowa.

When hardly any other politicians would, he stood up against some Obama policies. He called McConnell out on the senate floor for playing politics and lying behind closed doors. As much as some may try to play up the bush connection, W. Doesn't like him. Why? Because Cruz stood against him on a case. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

He takes unpopular stances when other won't. He believes in the constitution.
 
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Skullbone said:
Well I don't think they're going to vote for the Don en masse either. If Hillary is too sketchy for the commie true believers then Don definitely is. I just don't see the occu-poopers supporting a self proclaimed billionaire who's bribed more people than a Mexican coyote. My guess is they just won't vote at all, which is actually okay. A decent number of those who do vote will probably vote green party or write in some other nut. I will say, however, that if Donald wins the nomination I hope he destroys Hillary Clinton. I hope he beats her worse than anyone has ever been beaten in the history of elections. If anyone thinks I've been rough on Trump just wait until it's Hillary's turn. There's no comparison between her and anyone in the Republican race. But, I don't think he will unless something major changes.
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Rhetoric like this is why it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Even the valid points you sometimes make.
 
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volssam said:
not sure where all that came from. Haha. But you are free to make your own opinion and choice of course.

Don't think i ever said i was sure of anything. He may be sly and corrupt. Maybe he lies. Maybe he lies a lot. I don't see it myself. But maybe i am blind/naive. But also making a generalization/stereotype about a whole group of people and say "all lawyers" or "all politicians" doesn't seem fair either.

Here is what i know. When they were in iowa, the other candidates tried to buy favor and say they would continue the ethanol subsidies (including trump). But even though it is an unpopular stance in iowa, cruz stuck to his guns because it was what he thought was right. He didn't lie to them. He told them he would phase them out. And he won iowa.

When hardly any other politicians would, he stood up against some obama policies. He called mcconnell out on the senate floor for playing politics and lying behind closed doors. As much as some may try to play up the bush connection, w. Doesn't like him. Why? Because cruz stood against him on a case. Why? Because it was the right thing to do.

He takes unpopular stances when other won't. He believes in the constitution circa 1825.
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