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BJHSVol said:
Colorado literally cancelled their Caucus because of the rule that requires delegates to vote for the winner at the convention.
Colorado Republicans cancel presidential vote at 2016 caucus - The Denver Post

I don't care who you support, but it's absolutely disgusting. Really just goes to show how corrupt both sides are

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Before everybody goes all crazy, this story was published back in August, because that's when Colorado made some changes to their rules for this upcoming cycle. That was way before Iowa voted, and before trump had a big lead, etc.

And actually Colorado's delegates have been unbound for years.

So please realize this isn't some change that Colorado made this past week or month or something.

Trump isn't prepared and doesn't have a good campaign to win battles like this. And so he and some/many of his followers are crying foul.
 
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If any of us had done 10% of what Hillary has done illegally and outside of governmental policy, we would be in the jailhouse now with the media going crazy about how bad of dudes we are. Instead, Barry through Loretta will let her wiggle out. The whole country including her supporters and the Dems know the fix is in. If the GOP blows this, they are done. It will take a revolution in their own party to recover if they ever do.

Instead of this mindless in-fighting and playing pathetic games they better be about mending fences and getting real with people. Kasich needs to take his condescending junk and go back to Columbus and play footsie with Urban. There is one good reason the Dems say they fear him the most in a general election - to get doofuses on the right to buy into it and put him up there. Same with Paul Ryan.
 
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Skullbone said:
Ted Cruz is going to win on ballot two in Cleveland and then he will beat Hillary in November. No one likes her. Literally almost anyone in the world could have beaten her. Trump even could have at one point had he simply done two things that any half competent presidential candidate should do: 1) act presidential. He's failed to that. The TV Donald is entertaining but not a good look for president. 2) pick a competent campaign crew who knows what they're doing. It's not all about TV appearances and rallies. If you don't have a darn good ground game to get out the vote in the general and court delegates you're not going to beat the Dems or maybe not even win the primary. The Dems cheat for real so you have to bring your A game to compensate for all the dead people and cartoon characters who mysteriously vote Dem in every election. It has been well documented that Don has the worst ground game ever seen in this country. Like ever. It's almost like he doesn't want to win. Maybe he's just not as great at picking people as he tells us he is. Either way, it's no bueno. But I'm very confident that when America is given the choice between Hillary and almost anyone else it will be a swift and easy choice.
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Care to place a wager?
 
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Skullbone said:
Ted Cruz is going to win on ballot two in Cleveland and then he will beat Hillary in November. No one likes her. Literally almost anyone in the world could have beaten her. Trump even could have at one point had he simply done two things that any half competent presidential candidate should do: 1) act presidential. He's failed to that. The TV Donald is entertaining but not a good look for president. 2) pick a competent campaign crew who knows what they're doing. It's not all about TV appearances and rallies. If you don't have a darn good ground game to get out the vote in the general and court delegates you're not going to beat the Dems or maybe not even win the primary. The Dems cheat for real so you have to bring your A game to compensate for all the dead people and cartoon characters who mysteriously vote Dem in every election. It has been well documented that Don has the worst ground game ever seen in this country. Like ever. It's almost like he doesn't want to win. Maybe he's just not as great at picking people as he tells us he is. Either way, it's no bueno. But I'm very confident that when America is given the choice between Hillary and almost anyone else it will be a swift and easy choice.
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You vastly overestimate the American public.
 
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volssam said:
Before everybody goes all crazy, this story was published back in August, because that's when Colorado made some changes to their rules for this upcoming cycle. That was way before Iowa voted, and before It looked like Trump had a good shot at winning, etc.

And actually Colorado's delegates have been unbound for years.

So please realize this isn't some change that Colorado made this past week or month or something.

Trump isn't prepared and doesn't have a good campaign to win battles like this. And so he and some/many of his followers are crying foul.
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Once again, you are correct, but a lot of people don't care about facts. They have a narrative now. The narrative is that the establishment is cheating to beat Trump out of the nomination. Never mind the fact that he's the one cheating himself out of the nomination by not being prepared at all.
 
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Yet he has millions of more votes and hundreds of more delegates and Colorado polls had Trump as their favorite. When bernie and trump get shafted there will be huge protests. They're stealing it from him plain and simple.
 
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Nothing has been "stolen" at this point. So let's everybody just calm down .

These rules in CO have been in place for several months. Yet Trump didn't come to CO to make a speech or try hard for the delegates. Cruz did. And he was rewarded.

And the "more votes" thing....I keep hearing that but that's a weak argument Imo. In general, Trump has a solid 30-35% or so, give or take, of the Voters in the republican primary. And that support is hardcore. Hasn't really dropped much. And hasn't really increased much.

Do you realize trump hasn't gotten over 50% in any single state so far? Not one. All 3 other viable candidates (Cruz, Clinton, sanders) have.

I'd bet there are more voters who don't want trump than do. But the opposition vote has just been split so much. So let's not act like trump has some massive mandate from the people.

Is the setup in CO and in ND and so on the most fair and legit way to do things? No, of course not. But it's the circumstances. And has been the circumstances for a while now. Cruz was prepared. Trump wasn't.
 
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Haha. Sean hannity is so upset. He tries to play up the no-endorsement thing. But it is so obvious that he is pro-trump. It's kinda funny to listen to him try to contort and advance and back off and dance around trying to appear unbiased towards trump. But he can't quite hide it.

I actually don't really like very much listening to hannity and haven't for long time, long before this election cycle.
 
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volssam said:
Haha. Sean hannity is so upset. He tries to play up the no-endorsement thing. But it is so obvious that he is pro-trump. It's kinda funny to listen to him try to contort and advance and back off and dance around trying to appear unbiased towards trump. But he can't quite hide it.

I actually don't really like very much listening to hannity and haven't for long time, long before this election cycle.
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Have not ever been able to tolerate him very well.
 
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The whole reason the Colorado GOP removed the primary was because in August Trump was gaining traction in the polls and therefore took away the presidential preference poll to help Jeb Bush or whoever the establishment pick was.

Even if Trump had the largest organization and ground game, the framework was already laid, the establishment would have controlled it from the top down anyway.

Look at Ron Paul. In he 2012 had the most organized ground game when it came to these conventions and it still did him no good. The whole point of these conventions is for it to be rigged for what the party bosses want.
 
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Catbone said:
The whole reason the Colorado GOP removed the primary was because in August Trump was gaining traction in the polls and therefore took away the presidential preference poll to help Jeb Bush or whoever the establishment pick was.

Even if Trump had the largest organization and ground game, the framework was already laid, the establishment would have controlled it from the top down anyway.

Look at Ron Paul. In he 2012 had the most organized ground game when it came to these conventions and it still did him no good. The whole point of these conventions is for it to be rigged for what the party bosses want.
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I believe Colorado hasn't had a primary since 2008
 
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I think it's funny that hannity and the trump people are all up in arms AFTER the Colorado stuff has happened. They weren't all publicly upset that the people of CO weren't getting a "voice" in the last several months or even weeks, even though the rules and setup have been set this way since at least August. t's just after trump got shut out.
 
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The media and some of you guys are saying that rules are rules. Y'all are totally fine with removing the right of the people of Colorado to vote for their preferred candidate. So just because some corrupt people changed the rules to something undemocratic that didn't benefit trump, it's all ok?
 
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Catbone said:
The media and some of you guys are saying that rules are rules. Y'all are totally fine with removing the right of the people of Colorado to vote for their preferred candidate. So just because some corrupt people changed the rules to something undemocratic that didn't benefit trump, it's all ok?
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Have to agree with you Cat and I voted for Cruz. It really doesn't matter if the rules are the rules and they have been known for a hundred years. What matters is the party took away the right of the people to support their candidate.

The whole process is convoluted on both sides and they act like they don't know why people get discouraged when it's the same old tired faces showing up doing the same things that undermine us and enrich them and their cronies. They know full well what they are doing. It's an intentional part of their system.
 
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Have to agree with you Cat and I voted for Cruz. It really doesn't matter if the rules are the rules and they have been known for a hundred years. What matters is the party took away the right of the people to support their candidate.

The whole process is convoluted on both sides and they act like they don't know why people get discouraged when it's the same old tired faces showing up doing the same things that undermine us and enrich them and their cronies. They know full well what they are doing. It's an intentional part of their system.
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Exactly! Glad to see someone else agrees! At some point this has to change. That's why they're so afraid of Trump (and bernie to an extent for that matter)
 
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But it's the party in each individual state making their own rules. It's not like the national party people got in years ago and said let's set up Colorado to be a firewall against trump. The state level people set up their own system.

If the people of Colorado don't like it, it's up to them to change it. It is what it is.

One of my main issues is, don't try to pile on Cruz and say he's corrupt when he is simply working within the parameters already set up and he's simply outworking trump
 
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Ted Cruz getting elected will actually further destroy the future of the Republican party. The candidate we elect NEEDS to have some proven successes and ability to evolve the platform. Cruz exemplifies every negative stereotype that republicans have, and he is a hardline ideologue who happens to have a history of obstructionism.

His term would undoubtedly lead to an even worse PR situation for republicans as a whole, and close opportunities for republicans to get elected down the road.

Trump's ability to work across the aisle if need be to get things done and working again is imperative to restore the republican party's image in the eyes of the american people, liberals and conservatives alike. Additionally, Trump is bringing millions of new people into the party, which is critical to counteract the pure demographical outnumbering of conservatives in the US population right now.

Cruz will not bring new people in, represents no modern evolution of the conservative movement, and represents what the american people at large dislike about republicans. Nominating him would be a disaster.

He did not outwork anyone in Colorado or anywhere else delegate fraud is taking place. The corruption is deeper than he could possible leverage.

These people wrote the GOP delegate rulebook. No one knows it at the local level but them. You had to be involved in your local Republican Party for YEARS to get a delegate slot. People who are attracted to Trump don't waste their time like that. Slimy establishment Republicans do.

Cruz became their best shot to beat Trump based on his wins in Iowa and Texas. If Marco had come to this point ahead, this exact delegate tinkering would be happening for him. The local delegates sensed Cruz as their way to stop Trump, and they're flocking without any direct influence from the Cruz campaign.
 
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Catbone said:
Exactly! Glad to see someone else agrees! At some point this has to change. That's why they're so afraid of Trump (and bernie to an extent for that matter)
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In my opinion if you want real change, Cruz is the way to go. I believe Trump would continue a lot of the damaging policies already in place.

Trump is a deal-maker. What is a politician at their core but a deal-maker?
 
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volssam said:
In my opinion if you want real change, Cruz is the way to go. I believe Trump would continue a lot of the damaging policies already in place.

Trump is a deal-maker. What is a politician at their core but a deal-maker?
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The GOP doesn't want change. They want to continue their corrupt ways with the current establishment. Also I edited my post above yours. Sorry for the rant but I feel extremely strong about this. I'll probably leave it at that for now.
 
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Sigh. Catbone. Come on man.

I think you've already got set in your mind and have a negative image of Cruz so it would be pointless to try to change your mind. Same for others on here

For all the bringing in new people trump is doing, his negatives are astronomically high and polls Show him getting destroyed by Clinton. Hilary Clinton.
 
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Catbone said:
The GOP doesn't want change. They want to continue their corrupt ways with the current establishment. Also I edited my post above yours. Sorry for the rant but I feel extremely strong about this. I'll probably leave it at that for now.
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You are absolutely right catbone. The establishment wants nothing to change. Which is why they hate Cruz. Hate him. He will bring change.

It's ok cat. I know you feel strongly. We both want big change. Just think different people are the ones to do it. I still love ya. I'm not upset.
 
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