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LittleCat said:
Is the bible not the authority on everything? I didn't tell you to read more and be forced to come to my conclusion. I said read, be honest, and do what you think is best. I will do, and continue to do the same thing. If my view changes, then so be it. I don't view it as self righteous when I default to the bible for an answer though.

I believe so based on the verses we can read.
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Authority on everything? Is this thread for real?
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am not as versed in Scripture as many of you. But, in doing some reading on it, I found that Acts 10: 47-48 and Acts 16: 29-34 appear to support baptism not involving immersion:


47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

29 And the jailer6 called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, x“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.
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Except that the original Greek word means to immerse. The word was not translated in the original English translations, but transliterated. So every time you read the word baptise it should be read immerse or to immerse.
 
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#1Volfaninmo said:
Except that the original Greek word means to immerse. The word was not translated in the original English translations, but transliterated. So every time you read the word baptise it should be read immerse or to immerse.
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Immerse has two meanings:
im·merse iˈmərs/ verb
1.dip or submerge in a liquid.
"immerse the paper in water for twenty minutes"
synonyms: submerge, dip, dunk, duck, sink, plunge; soak, drench, saturate, marinate, wet, douse, souse, steep. "litmus paper turns red on being immersed in acid"
2.involve oneself deeply in a particular activity or interest.
"she immersed herself in her work"
synonyms: absorb in, engross in, occupy by/with, engage in, involve in/with, bury in, swamp with, lose oneself in;
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JacketVol said:
Getting ready to watch some baseball knowing son has a game on Monday and Tuesday and the weather will be beautiful. Should be pitching on one of those days. Batter up............MLB baseball is starting in just a few minutes!
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Bumping this cause my boy got his first start pitching and got the W and struck out 4 in two innings and only walked 1. Fun to watch.
 
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Catbone said:
Mark my words here folks. There WILL be a contested convention and there WILL be riots when the GOP gives the nominee to a politician selected by the establishment. It will not be Trump and likely not Cruz either.
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Newt Gingrich said last night that it would DEFINITELY be either Cruz or Trump. He's been around a while and I would think he knows of which he speaks. He said it would be unlikely for the GOP to find a viable way to award it to another. He also said [and I think this is key] that the GOP establishment is lining up behind Cruz.
 
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What I'm afraid is going to happen is we end up with Bernie. A socialist president. Terrifying and sad.

He is making a run at Hilary. And with her legal issues, he might actually get the nomination over her.

And then the republicans have a pretty decent shot at ending up with Trump.

And if both of those things happen, I think Bernie destroys Trump. Trump's negatives are astronomically high in polls.

I don't like where all this is going. I think our forefathers would be so disappointed
 
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volssam said:
What I'm afraid is going to happen is we end up with Bernie. A socialist president. Terrifying and sad.

He is making a run at Hilary. And with her legal issues, he might actually get the nomination over her.

And then the republicans have a pretty decent shot at ending up with Trump.

And if both of those things happen, I think Bernie destroys Trump. Trump's negatives are astronomically high in polls.

I don't like where all this is going. I think our forefathers would be so disappointed
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I don't want Sanders as president either, but terrifying? C'mon man. At worst, he's the 3rd least terrifying candidate after Trump and Hillary (IMO 4th after Cruz).

I don't think his policies would be that great (not that he'd be able to get half of them through congress anyway), but he at least seems like an honest guy and not in anyone's pockets.

If all 4 of the big candidates right now were given the proposition of "have an innocent person killed and you can become president," sanders is the only one I can honestly see turning down the proposition. Sure, that doesn't make him a good politician necessarily, but the guy is far from terrifying. He's just like a less grumpy Larry David.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I don't want Sanders as president either, but terrifying? C'mon man. At worst, he's the 3rd least terrifying candidate after Trump and Hillary (IMO 4th after Cruz).

I don't think his policies would be that great (not that he'd be able to get half of them through congress anyway), but he at least seems like an honest guy and not in anyone's pockets.

If all 4 of the big candidates right now were given the proposition of "have an innocent person killed and you can become president," sanders is the only one I can honestly see turning down the proposition. Sure, that doesn't make him a good politician necessarily, but the guy is far from terrifying. He's just like a less grumpy Larry David.
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Terrifying to me.

Already his "movement" has helped the idea of socialism get a good amount of traction. Its popularity and acceptance has grown. And him winning would just further the acceptance of socialism as a viable option. When the idea of socialism will eventually end in disaster.

He is the one out of all candidates that were in this race at any point that I least want to win. I would never vote for either, but I would rather have Hilary over sanders a million to one.

Socialism must be guarded and fought against imo.
 
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I agree with Darth, if Cruz and Hilary get the noms, she will destroy him and that will be sad because she is a demon in a pantsuit.
 
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Europe thrives on socialism but they have a vastly different socio-economic structure. Democratic socialism is based on the populace being industrious and unfortunately the US does not have that mindset anymore.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Lol nice.

I'm not an organized religion guy and things like this argument you guys are having is a big reason why honestly. So many have all these rules they believe due to certain interpretations of their book but the next guy has a few differences and they both believe the other goes to hell. I don't know I just find that funny since no one really knows the truth.

FTR, I was " sprinkled"as a baby. Guess I'm screwed too (and everyone in my family)!
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The Bible actually supports your viewpoint my friend.

Romans 14 versus 1–23:
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes doubtful things. For one may believe that he may eat all things, the weak may believe that they may only eat vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let him who does not eat not judge he who does eat, for God has received him… One esteems one day above another, another one esteems all days are alike. Let each being fully convinced in his own mind. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ…therefore, let us not judge one another anymore. But rather let us resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brothers way. (NKJ)

This parable is quite contrary to the adamant stance that is being taken. Judge not lest Thou be judged, also don't tell your brother how to worship.

I also seem to remember a part of the Bible where Jesus became quite upset with the Pharisees and Jews because they were missing the understanding and being quite dogmatic and inflexible. They were putting the rule over love of their fellow man. Basically, can't we all just get along? I love you man…
GBO! :hi:

Please understand that I am not trying to enter the fray nor am I trying to judge you guys. I am more of the mindset that we are all on the Journey with the ultimate goal of the same destination… There can be many different acceptable routes to get there. I also apologize if I have offended anyone.
 
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bignewt said:
I agree with Darth, if Cruz and Hilary get the noms, she will destroy him and that will be sad because she is a demon in a pantsuit.
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I hope we get to see that matchup, myself.

I think Cruz would have a good shot.

I think trump probably would lose to either. I think Cruz has a good shot against Hilary.

Bernie scares me. I want him to lose before the general. That's my take on things.

But I'm no expert, I'll admit.
 
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bignewt said:
Europe thrives on socialism but they have a vastly different socio-economic structure. Democratic socialism is based on the populace being industrious and unfortunately the US does not have that mindset anymore.
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Define "thrives"


I want to be nothing like Europe. Nothing.

Socialism is a whole lot about government control and redistribution.

I figured a libertarian like you would be very anti-socialism. The less government the better, right?
 
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Lots of polarizing religious discussion in here. I don't want to dive into any one issue, but I do feel led to make the point clear that I profess Jesus is who he said he is: the son of the living God. The Bible and everything in it was inspired by him and is totally focused on him. There is one Holy word and one meaning, but many interpretations. Let the Bible interpret the Bible.

I know that putting Jesus in my place is the only way I can be justified before a holy God. All else is there in the Bible and the Holy Spirit living inside me to guide me. The more God is at work in me, the more clearly much of the scripture becomes and the more I die to my own selfish (and wrong) interpretations.

My fear in all this is that many on here see Christians in disagreement, which does nothing but drive others away instead of toward the gospel.
 
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volssam said:
Define "thrives"


I want to be nothing like Europe. Nothing.

Socialism is a whole lot about government control and redistribution.

I figured a libertarian like you would be very anti-socialism. The less government the better, right?
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2 things:

1. If you want want to be nothing like Europe, you should probably get out of the country and head to Sauid Arabia. Our system of government isn't that different from England's really.

2. For a lot of socially liberal, fiscally conservative people Sanders is more appealing than Hillary because Hillary is actually a centrist, probably the most warhawkish of all the candidates, and has a well known track record of favoring only the political moves that serve to further her own career. Cruz is a turn off for a lot of that crowd also since he seems to care more about his religious beliefs and social conservatism than smaller government.
 
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volssam said:
Define "thrives"


I want to be nothing like Europe. Nothing.

Socialism is a whole lot about government control and redistribution.

I figured a libertarian like you would be very anti-socialism. The less government the better, right?
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I am not supporting socialism - I am a firm libertarian as it is what's best for this country. Now take a rather isolated, smaller population like say Sweden and socialism can work rather well. Unfortunately the US is nothing like Sweden.

In fact if you think about it libertarians are for localized government, giving more power to the states. If you see Europe as a collection of states, different governments can work well because it is based a smaller sample size. What works for Norway cannot work for Greece and vice versa.
 
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bignewt said:
I am not supporting socialism - I am a firm libertarian as it is what's best for this country. Now take a rather isolated, smaller population like say Sweden and socialism can work rather well. Unfortunately the US is nothing like Sweden.

In fact if you think about it libertarians are for localized government, giving more power to the states. If you see Europe as a collection of states, different governments can work well because it is based a smaller sample size. What works for Norway cannot work for Greece and vice versa.
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FTR though, Norway isn't an EU member.



They don't want to share any of that sweet, sweet oil money.
 
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Can't blame them Greece is a sinkhole that is trying to drag most of Europe down with it. Couple that with the refugee crisis and the EU is not without its problems. Luckily they have Germany.

If the US was set up like that I could see Texas and Alaska saying see ya wouldn't want to be ya.
 
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bignewt said:
I am not supporting socialism - I am a firm libertarian as it is what's best for this country. Now take a rather isolated, smaller population like say Sweden and socialism can work rather well. Unfortunately the US is nothing like Sweden.

In fact if you think about it libertarians are for localized government, giving more power to the states. If you see Europe as a collection of states, different governments can work well because it is based a smaller sample size. What works for Norway cannot work for Greece and vice versa.
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Didn't Sweden recently institute negative interest rates? Not good.

Socialism, communism, Marxism, whatever label you wanna put on more government control, is against personal liberty/freedom. The more government control, the less personal control, in my view. The more government control, the more oppression.

I want to be nothing like Europe.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
The Bible actually supports your viewpoint my friend.

Romans 14 versus 1–23:
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes doubtful things. For one may believe that he may eat all things, the weak may believe that they may only eat vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let him who does not eat not judge he who does eat, for God has received him… One esteems one day above another, another one esteems all days are alike. Let each being fully convinced in his own mind. But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ…therefore, let us not judge one another anymore. But rather let us resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brothers way. (NKJ)

This parable is quite contrary to the adamant stance that is being taken. Judge not lest Thou be judged, also don't tell your brother how to worship.

I also seem to remember a part of the Bible where Jesus became quite upset with the Pharisees and Jews because they were missing the understanding and being quite dogmatic and inflexible. They were putting the rule over love of their fellow man. Basically, can't we all just get along? I love you man…
GBO! :hi:

Please understand that I am not trying to enter the fray nor am I trying to judge you guys. I am more of the mindset that we are all on the Journey with the ultimate goal of the same destination… There can be many different acceptable routes to get there. I also apologize if I have offended anyone.
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I love you man!
 
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