Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

[InVOLuntary]

I'm not judging you, Involuntary. I'm simply showing you scriptural evidence that supports my belief. If you feel judged based off of that, then take a step back and think as to why you might feel that way.

Read my post above.

 

[LittleCat]

Who knew that your interpretation was the authority on the matter? And when you guys say you're not condemning someone to hell you are doing exactly that by inference. If you don't do it my way, you can't have salvation. That's a very poor way and some would say sinful. You are indeed casting judgment whether you see it that way or not.

If you have an issue with something in the bible, then blame God. Not someone who tried to answer honestly.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Who knew that your interpretation was the authority on the matter? And when you guys say you're not condemning someone to hell you are doing exactly that by inference. If you don't do it my way, you can't have salvation. That's a very poor way and some would say sinful. You are indeed casting judgment whether you see it that way or not.

I never meant to judge nor have I felt I have done that during this whole discussion. I have only provided the word of God. If you feel judged, then maybe there's a reason for that. I apologize to anyone that thinks I came across offensive and judgmental. Never was it my intentions. I'm sorry. I won't post anymore on this. Good day to all, and Go VOLS!

 

[LittleCat]

I never meant to judge nor have I felt I have done that during this whole discussion. I have only provided the word of God. If you feel judged, then maybe there's a reason for that. I apologize to anyone that thinks I came across offensive and judgmental. Never was it my intentions. I'm sorry. I won't post anymore on this. Good day to all, and Go VOLS!

I'll piggyback on this and step back as well. Not much more to be said other than if you care InVol, then just read the bible and be honest with yourself. Take care.

 

[volssam]

I've been trying to stay out of this again today. As at least one has said, they're not changing their mind. Although I'm not sure why anyone would just dig in and shut down with that mindset.

I simply ask that all would read the Bible, take it for what it says, and take out all the "I think" , "my view", "I interpret" , "I don't think God would" , "that's not how I see it" , "The Bible doesn't say not to"

Simply take an honest look and find out:

is what I believe and practice written in the Bible?
Can I look and read it there in the pages?
Or am I changing and/or adding to and/or ignoring parts of it?
And if so, stop doing that and simply obey what it says. Seems like the best and safest way.

 

[volssam]

I've been trying to stay out of this again today. As at least one has said, they're not changing their mind. Although I'm not sure why anyone would just dig in and shut down with that mindset.

I simply ask that all would read the Bible, take it for what it says, and take out all the "I think" , "my view", "I interpret" , "I don't think God would" , "that's not how I see it" , "The Bible doesn't say not to"

Simply take an honest look and find out:

is what I believe and practice written in the Bible?
Can I look and read it there in the pages?
Or am I changing and/or adding to and/or ignoring parts of it?
And if so, stop doing that and simply obey what it says. Seems like the best and safest way.

Because as humbly as I can (I say as I am currently quoting myself. Haha. Jk), but seriously I wanna say humbly and sincerely, I feel like I can point to literal book, chapter, and verse to show literal words and/or clear examples to backup what I believe and teach and try to live by, Without having to ignore parts to fit my doctrine/upbringing.

 

[VolGee4]

I am not as versed in Scripture as many of you. But, in doing some reading on it, I found that Acts 10: 47-48 and Acts 16: 29-34 appear to support baptism not involving immersion:


47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

29 And the jailer6 called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, x“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.

 

[volssam]

I am not as versed in Scripture as many of you. But, in doing some reading on it, I found that Acts 10: 47-48 and Acts 16: 29-34 appear to support baptism not involving immersion:


47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

29 And the jailer6 called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, x“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.

I believe we already discussed these at some point over the last many, many pages (unless you do the 50 posts/page that some on here seem to feel is divinely inspired, hahaha).

 

[InVOLuntary]

If you have an issue with something in the bible, then blame God. Not someone who tried to answer honestly.

I don't have issue with the bible. My issue is with folks that think they are better Christians because they have a different interpretation. That attitude is about as un-Christ like as you can be. This statement is exactly why I can't take anything you say seriously because you can't accept that others have a different outlook than you. Let me make myself perfectly clear to you. I am 100% confident in my views. I think I have a much better understanding of what true baptism means. So you trying again to challenge my Christianity is laughable and offensive. Perhaps you should study the gospel a little more to see where you're wrong. :hi:

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'll piggyback on this and step back as well. Not much more to be said other than if you care InVol, then just read the bible and be honest with yourself. Take care.

I think you both should study some more and be a little more accepting of other people's views.

 

[VolGee4]

I've been trying to stay out of this again today. As at least one has said, they're not changing their mind. Although I'm not sure why anyone would just dig in and shut down with that mindset.

I simply ask that all would read the Bible, take it for what it says, and take out all the "I think" , "my view", "I interpret" , "I don't think God would" , "that's not how I see it" , "The Bible doesn't say not to"

Simply take an honest look and find out:

is what I believe and practice written in the Bible?
Can I look and read it there in the pages?
Or am I changing and/or adding to and/or ignoring parts of it?
And if so, stop doing that and simply obey what it says. Seems like the best and safest way.

Sam, simple to say yet so complicated. Humans have to interpret and deduce what they read. A simple sentence can read different ways, much less the great stories of the Bible.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I am not as versed in Scripture as many of you. But, in doing some reading on it, I found that Acts 10: 47-48 and Acts 16: 29-34 appear to support baptism not involving immersion:


47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

29 And the jailer6 called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, x“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. 34 Then he brought them up into his house and set food before them. And he rejoiced along with his entire household that he had believed in God.

But that's not the scriptures that support their argument so you can't use that.

 

[JacketVol]

Lol who wants to waster their time worrying about immersion when all you need is a quick deathbed confession, a little bite of Jesus' flesh, and sip of his blood to loophole yourself right into the pearly gates?

True motivation may get in the way there. Hence heart and not ritual.

 

[volssam]

I think it's obvious some seem to be getting legitimately upset. Perhaps we should stop and step back, hopefully think/study about what has been said, and if it comes up again in the future, perhaps we can pick it back up again.

Trust that seeds have been planted and that God will give the increase (1 Cor 6:8)

Much love to all. GBO!

 

[VolGee4]

I believe we already discussed these at some point over the last many, many pages (unless you do the 50 posts/page that some on here seem to feel is divinely inspired, hahaha).

Sorry. I guess I haven't kept up with the entire discussion. Probably time to move on.

 

[Vols4us]

There are so many great, young, likeable golfers on tour right now. It's a really funny time to be a golf fan.

And man do I love this time on the sports calendar. Baseball starting up, Masters, March Madness, EPL and CL winding down. Love it

Being a gray hair most would think I would be a bigger fan of the Arnie, Jack, Gary, Tom, Johnny, Lee, etc. days. They were great for sure. But the strength of the field today is far superior. The elite players are incredible. I could not be more excited for the game today.

March/April wakes me up again as well. MLB, golf, the dance, even the NFL draft later this month - love it.

 

[JacketVol]

I can hope that I will pass my Physics test all day. I can really really hope that I pass it. I can believe I will pass it. I can say that I will pass it and convince myself I can do it. But if I don't do the work, study, and prepare than all my hope and belief is useless. Belief in Jesus is a huge step. It's not the only step though.

we did not say it was just a belief thing. Demons believe. It's a heart and relationship thing of taking up your cross daily and living for HIM in true man to God and God to man friendship and devotion.

 

[volssam]

But that's not the scriptures that support their argument so you can't use that.

On the contrary. As I said, I believe we already discussed that, and already so many things keep getting repeated as it is. Or at the very least I know the acts 10 example was.

But as I said, I think all we need to step back. So please everyone lets move on.

 

[volssam]

Sorry. I guess I haven't kept up with the entire discussion. Probably time to move on.

I hope you didn't take my reply as snappy. I'm not trying to be.

As a side note I think it would be interesting to see how many on here do 50 posts per page and who doesn't.

I don't.

 

[VolGee4]

I hope you didn't take my reply as snappy. I'm not trying to be.

As a side note I think it would be interesting to see how many on here do 50 posts per page and who doesn't.

I don't.

Not a problem. I don't use the 50 per page either.

You are all good people. We just don't always agree- like if we should have gone for it on 4th down or not.

 

[Vols4us]

Sam, simple to say yet so complicated. Humans have to interpret and deduce what they read. A simple sentence can read different ways, much less the great stories of the Bible.

Exactly. Even emphasizing various words or various syllables in a sentence can change the meaning of a verse. The use of one version of a Bible over others can influence the meaning of a verse. The researchers and contributors involved in the collaboration of a version of a Bible can influence the context as well as the meaning of a verse. Understanding and context of actual Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew writings translated into various modern languages of various Biblical revisions strongly influence the interpretation of any single verse.

This is not a chastisement of anybody that loves the Lord enough to post their views on here. However, please consider the depth of your understanding before calling others to task over theirs. Widen your scope. It will not hurt your faith, it will only strengthen it.

 

[Vols4us]

we did not say it was just a belief thing. Demons believe. It's a heart and relationship thing of taking up your cross daily and living for HIM in true man to God and God to man friendship and devotion.

Amen. And so shall it be.

 

[JacketVol]

I'm still waiting for someone to show the part of the bible where Jesus explains the differences between Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Episcopalian, etc, so forth and so on.

I mean what was he thinking creating all these different denominations?.........

It's like this. Did all the people before the denominations just go to Hell since the denominations did not exist? I asked this of a Church of Christ dude who was being told this by his dad. If so, then that is highly offensive to the work of the cross and Christ. When he said it was finished, the veil in the temple was torn and the separation between God and man was no longer. It was before the denominations and their theology and Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Salvation is God's plan for man. You accept him as Lord and Saviour and have relationship and like everyone and DON'T PUT STUMBLING BLOCKS TO OTHERS then God will judge you and your heart. He either writes your name in the book of life and knows you or he doesn't because you live for yourself and not for others. Be Christlike and have relationship and be happy and full of the joy that will change you and your life.

 

[volssam]

Not a problem. I don't use the 50 per page either.

You are all good people. We just don't always agree- like if we should have gone for it on 4th down or not.

At the very least we should have had Hurd in on 3rd and short. Haha

 

[LittleCat]

My issue is with folks that think they are better Christians because they have a different interpretation. That attitude is about as un-Christ like as you can be.

You understand my skepticism when this is one of the most common excuses I've heard when talking to someone with a different belief right?

"Don't judge me, you're not better than me, let me do what I want".

This statement is exactly why I can't take anything you say seriously because you can't accept that others have a different outlook than you. Let me make myself perfectly clear to you. I am 100% confident in my views. I think I have a much better understanding of what true baptism means.

I think we both understand baptism, we just don't agree with the method. That's fine with me. There are far bigger issues, and to get so worked up over this issue really isn't needed. Just read the bible and just do, or continue to do, whatever is comfortable. Not a problem from me there.

So you trying again to challenge my Christianity is laughable and offensive. Perhaps you should study the gospel a little more to see where you're wrong. :hi:

It's ironic to hear you saying I should study more, when it seemed to me you enjoyed leaving the bible and posting articles. But I suppose that's just me being judgemental. I apologize.

I think you both should study some more and be a little more accepting of other people's views.

I do my best to understand where someone is coming from. I think I understand why you feel the way you do. It's fine. Glad to talk with you, wish you the best.