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OGbabyaviVol said:
Ananias and Sapphira were struck down, not for not giving all they had, but for conceiving the lie to begin with. They had already planned to tell Peter they had sold their land for the portion they gave to them, all the while knowing they had sold it for more and kept part of it for themselves. Their death was due to the lie, not because they chose to keep a small portion for themselves.

I fully believe we are to help those in need, and we are also to be good stewards of God's money and the things He has given us. I try to help others, especially those I know, when a need arises for them. I still fall short with my benevolence to the needy. However, it was an honor to see the extreme outpouring of benevolence to the 2 cases of need that we saw from this board with Rich and Ashlee...awesome stuff that I don't think I will forget!
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OG, slow down and read. See the CC connector AND followed by LYING
 
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InVOLuntary said:
See if you were in church instead of bashing Protestants that wouldn't have happened. :popcorn: :)
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I also wouldn't have learned cool facts about coyotes and badgers forming an unlikely alliance to raid ground hog villages, or that this had been widely known and talked about in various Native American lore for centuries before it had been verified by wildlife experts.

I think I came out pretty well. Definitely better than than crowd of rabble rousers who followed the likes of Martin Luther, Wycliffe, and Calvin :)
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I also wouldn't have learned cool facts about coyotes and badgers forming an unlikely alliance to raid ground hog villages, or that this had been widely known and talked about in various Native American lore for centuries before it had been verified by wildlife experts.

I think I came out pretty well. Definitely better than than crowd of rabble rousers who followed the likes of Martin Luther, Wycliffe, and Calvin :)
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Don't be hatin :)
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
I think you missed Jesus' point in that story of the rich young man. His wealth and possessions were his downfall...they were his idol. He wasn't willing to put God first in his life over his wealth. Jesus told him that as a test to see if he was willing to give up everything to follow Jesus. Obviously, he went away very sad, because he wasn't willing to do it. His wealth was more important than God. The same thing can happen to us...we can have idols that we put before God. Obviously, wealth and possessions are not sinful...Abraham and many other faithful people in the Bible were very wealthy. When we put those things before God and make them our idol, then they are sinful. This seems to be the flaw in this young man's life.
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You're right. That wasn't a command to all Christians to abandon money and jobs, while it was a common thing to do amongst those who chose to literally follow Jesus everywhere as the disciples. It was a lesson. Jesus also reprimanded Judas for getting onto what's her name for buying expensive oil for Jesus soon to come death, saying, "the poor you will always have with you...." Actually later on Paul and the boys had to force many followers to get out and get jobs like normal people, explaining to them that they were responsible to provide for themselves until Christ returns.
 
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On the topic of sprinkling verse immersion: read the first 7 verses of Romans 6 and how it likens baptism to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. How can sprinkling represent that?
 
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#1Volfaninmo said:
On the topic of sprinkling verse immersion: read the first 7 chapters of Romans 6 and how it likens baptism to the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. How can sprinkling represent that?
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How can communion NOT be seen and prepared as the holy, transubstantiated body and blood of Christ?


Easy, people interpret the bible differently. There have been a lot of different translations and some early parts were even transcribed slightly differently depending on geography and zeitgeist. Interpretations of the bible have had an even greater variance based on these things.

If it was all laid out perfectly clearly, there'd just be one sect of Christians.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
How can communion NOT be seen and prepared as the holy, transubstantiated body and blood of Christ?


Easy, people interpret the bible differently. There have been a lot of different translations and some early parts were even transcribed slightly differently depending on geography and zeitgeist. Interpretations of the bible have had an even greater variance based on these things.

If it was all laid out perfectly clearly, there'd just be one sect of Christians.
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I doubt the last sentence very seriously. No offense intended to you.
 
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I feel like most if not all of us are just going to keep going in circles and repeating ourselves.

So I'm not sure if much progress is going to be made or not with continuing on and on.

I would just advise us all to read the Bible and look at what it says. And not try to just explain it away to make it fit our beliefs. And not just assume it means something different than what it says right there on the pages, and not to just assume it's just about an idea rather than what it says on the pages.

To me, that seems like man speaking for God. When God says His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8).

Just please let us all resolve to read the Bible and read what it says. Not add to it or take away from it. Just what it says.

Y'all have a blessed Lord's Day. I am apparently going to be stuck planting flowers this afternoon. Whoooo hoooo!
 
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Getting ready to watch some baseball knowing son has a game on Monday and Tuesday and the weather will be beautiful. Should be pitching on one of those days. Batter up............MLB baseball is starting in just a few minutes!
 
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volssam said:
That's what we are trying to figure out. How much we may need vs cost. I would guess something around 12x24 at the smallest. May need larger.
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I've batted around getting one myself. I have a two car garage and I have a zero turn mower, a four wheeler, a golf cart, a small tractor, a car, a truck, wife's car, daughters car, and my son's car. Needless to say I'm out of room. I have a couple of barns but they are a ways from the house and with dirt floors anything in them gets nasty.

One thing that bothered me about the prebuilt storage building was the wood floors. I have decided against them for this reason. Also, I have checked and it doesn't cost much more to have something built. So I've decided to do one of two things, have something built on a concrete slab, or pour concrete in one of my barns and close it in. I'm leaning toward that since it's the most economical route.
 
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JacketVol said:
Getting ready to watch some baseball knowing son has a game on Monday and Tuesday and the weather will be beautiful. Should be pitching on one of those days. Batter up............MLB baseball is starting in just a few minutes!
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Well I'm leaving in a bit for Augusta, GA. :)
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
You're right. But I do believe that that's not the Bibles intent, to give us a list of rights and wrongs. I think if we try to read it that way, it minimizes what Jesus did for us when he conquered works and sin.

But I'm probably being extreme in my phrasing to make my point. I absolutely think holiness should be pursued, and God uses scripture to show us that.

I just don't think it should be read, or thought of as a rule book. It's so much more.
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Well we agree then. All of us discussing this realize that ritual means nothing. The point is it not being ritualistic, it is being obedient from the heart. If we are doing our best to be obedient to do what God tells us to do, and how God tells us to live, then I think that sincerity is how God judges our perfection along our individual progression.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Well we agree then. All of us discussing this realize that ritual means nothing. The point is it not being ritualistic, it is being obedient from the heart. If we are doing our best to be obedient to do what God tells us to do, and how God tells us to live, then I think that sincerity is how God judges our perfection along our individual progression.
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These conversations are beginning to sound like some with my wife. We seem to say the same things differently, then get testy with each other until we realize we generally agree. :crazy:

I agree with you 100% on obedience. The mature believer understands that is where our freedom originates. When the Lord can trust us to be about his work as he would do it and clearly instructs his disciples to approach it as well as to live as he showed us how to live - we are free to follow the urgings of the Holy Spirit. Life is so much sweeter and fulfilling being obedient to the creator of the universe than going rogue and being rebellious.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
Salvation is a relationship and daily community with God. Obedience alone will not get you into heaven. That's not the gospel.
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Obedience is a huge part of that relationship and daily community with God. Disobedience is what separates us from God. I'm not going to say anything else on any of this..The word is plain on this, you can not serve two masters. I make mistakes sometimes, but I do not live a life of sin. He made me free from the bondage of sin, he didn't leave me a chained slave to it.."I thank God that you WERE the servant of sin, but you have OBEYED FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine(The gospel) which was delivered(preached) unto you. Being therefore made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness"..I'm done...May God richly bless y'all... "This is the day that the Lord has made, let us be glad and rejoice in it."...Now that we surely all agree on. :)
 
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Vols4us said:
These conversations are beginning to sound like some with my wife. We seem to say the same things differently, then get testy with each other until we realize we generally agree. :crazy:

I agree with you 100% on obedience. The mature believer understands that is where our freedom originates. When the Lord can trust us to be about his work as he would do it and clearly instructs his disciples to approach it as well as to live as he showed us how to live - we are free to follow the urgings of the Holy Spirit. Life is so much sweeter and fulfilling being obedient to the creator of the universe than going rogue and being rebellious.
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Amen..and said beautifully. For a minister I'm not an eloquent man. I wish I could say things better sometimes, but I'm just an old redneck country boy saved by grace. ��
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Well we agree then. All of us discussing this realize that ritual means nothing. The point is it not being ritualistic, it is being obedient from the heart. If we are doing our best to be obedient to do what God tells us to do, and how God tells us to live, then I think that sincerity is how God judges our perfection along our individual progression.
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