Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Smokeytom said:
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no worries, i can see that. just in regards to "they could repeat" cause of who is coming back, it's not like htey ran roughshot thru the tourney....they're good...and very fortunate. hard to say that all comes together again. it could be just as likely they get knocked out in the 1st round again.....
 
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jakez4ut said:
no worries, i can see that. just in regards to "they could repeat" cause of who is coming back, it's not like htey ran roughshot thru the tourney....they're good...and very fortunate. hard to say that all comes together again. it could be just as likely they get knocked out in the 1st round again.....
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I don't see a repeat either. I heard the stat that Duke has only been to the final four 2 of the last 14 years. If true, that's absolutely insane and really shows just how perfectly things must align come march for even the best and most talented teams to make a deep run.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
One of the things LWS has suggested in the past is that we have not had a commitment to building winning programs. Obviously he was talking more about football and I thought he was speaking largely in financial terms. We just wouldn’t spend any money. Well, maybe the wind has shifted just a bit. I think this sends the right message and I think the right people will notice. We’re going to compete with the best.

Say Pruitt in the next 2-3 years has us consistently winning 8-10 games per year. He’d have sort of restored some stability to the program and as a minimum we’d no longer be the joke of the nation. I mean I think he’s going to have to build a strong and solid foundation before he will ever have a shot from a recruiting aspect of returning our top-to-bottom talent level back to the top of the conference. It will take a while but he has a chance to do it. Say Saban finally retires and Alabama comes calling. If Pruitt at all wants to stay and if we at all want to keep him, if the guys in charge now are still here, one thing Alabama can probably count on, they may be able to get him but no way they’re going to get him cheap.

We’ve talked about this in this forum every coaching search for a while now. We’re one of the very top schools in the country in terms of athletic department revenues but for some reason we’ve long been shy about “overpaying” for a coaching staff so the sweet deals for the best coaches were often to be had at some school with substantially less revenue and resources than what we have.

Whether Barnes wins another game here or not one good thing I see coming out of this today is that our administration has let it be known that in the proverbial coaching carousel season, we now come to the table with as many, if not more, stacks of high society as anyone else. In that regard, at least for now, I think we’re moving in the right direction. For once the whiners and cheapskates lost. We’re now at least a little bit outside of our comfort zone, finally. jmo.
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committed to winning.

finally. agree with all this. and that doesn't mean you have to agree w/how much we pay for this coach or that coach. truth be known, we over paid for helton and chaney. probably Ansley too. and we definitely overpaid for Barnes this time 'round.

but it's just not about that. cause you're right....in the past, we'd of not even tried b/c of what it would look like to pay like that. or someone would pucker up and get cold feet.

not anymore. and i for one am glad to see it.

the university of tennessee is committed to winning.
 
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Put the money on the table. At a university with the pockets of UT the last reason for failure should be the money.

If any fan base should know by now its ours. Overpay everybody and hold them to the standard set by those who've come before them.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It was claimed this was not about money for himself but and overall lack of support for basketball. If that were the case it shouldn't have come down to his threatening to leave to get what he wanted is all I'm saying. Maybe he tried and Fulmer either didn't understand the ramifications of saying no. Regardless, I don't think it's unreasonable to think fans will or should view him differently.
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1. i don't think anyone really knows for sure, but likley this was always more about the support for the rest of the staff, and being able to get what Barnes believed he needed to either sustain the current success, but more likely continue to build on it. i don't think money for Rick was the primary motivator here. really don't.
2. that changed once UCLA said Rick Barnes is worth $5 million/year.
3. fans are gonna feel the way they feel, but just at least acknowledge, they only reason you have to feel the way you do is because of the roller coaster that went on yesterday. feeling anger toward barnes today is only the result of "sefl developed" reasons; ie, you (the collective you, not you individually) bought in to the speculative narratives pushed regarding a feud between the AD and Barnes, or you buy the notion that Barnes gave an ultimatum, or you buy the notion that Barnes doesn't really like UT, and is only here for the money....

if you listen to the folks that have actually talked to Barnes, it seems this was a serious offer that gave him something to think about from a career standpoint, that might offer him a better opportunity, and overall support, to do what he wants to do from a basketball perspective.

and our AD and president did what htey should have done..........made every effort to retain him.

i think it was a good day for Basketball and the TN athletic department in general.

imagine the difference today had he left because we wouldn't try to compete with big bad UCLA?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It was claimed this was not about money for himself but and overall lack of support for basketball. If that were the case it shouldn't have come down to his threatening to leave to get what he wanted is all I'm saying. Maybe he tried and Fulmer either didn't understand the ramifications of saying no. Regardless, I don't think it's unreasonable to think fans will or should view him differently.
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Where’s the “threatening”? Another team wanted our coach and we had to pony up! It’s called what happens all the time! View him differently or don’t...it’s not a realistic take from our fans. Here’s something totally realistic. We’re a better program with him coming back. I read your post where you didn’t express confidence in whomever our AD picked as his replacement...so it would seem you concur.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yep. Maybe it's wrong to have that expectation. I do think there is a lot of truth to him being disgruntled about overall support for the program. After seeing what our assistants made compared to other programs, Barnes had a gripe. I just wish it hadn't come to him leaving to get what he wanted.
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that's fair. but sometimes that's what it takes. and if you have leverage to accomplish something you believe is absolutely necessary, why wouldn't you use that?

and credit TN here too. we all know what would have happened in the past. we'd be looking for a coach today.

it's just going to come down to what one decides to beleive about this whole thing. i for one can say these two things, and still feel pretty good about it in the end:
1. Tennessee ponied up finally and showed it's committed to having winning programs
2. we did over pay for rick barnes et al.


but we've overpaid coaches in football for the past 18 months....and i'm good w/that too. we all bitch and moan about how much money this university has year in and year out but refused to spend it on what's important....

well, i think that's a mindset that's clearly changed. Fans are gonna have to get used to that now. we're still used to bargain bin shopping. and now we have sticker shock.
 
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jakez4ut said:
1. i don't think anyone really knows for sure, but likley this was always more about the support for the rest of the staff, and being able to get what Barnes believed he needed to either sustain the current success, but more likely continue to build on it. i don't think money for Rick was the primary motivator here. really don't.
2. that changed once UCLA said Rick Barnes is worth $5 million/year.
3. fans are gonna feel the way they feel, but just at least acknowledge, they only reason you have to feel the way you do is because of the roller coaster that went on yesterday. feeling anger toward barnes today is only the result of "sefl developed" reasons; ie, you (the collective you, not you individually) bought in to the speculative narratives pushed regarding a feud between the AD and Barnes, or you buy the notion that Barnes gave an ultimatum, or you buy the notion that Barnes doesn't really like UT, and is only here for the money....

if you listen to the folks that have actually talked to Barnes, it seems this was a serious offer that gave him something to think about from a career standpoint, that might offer him a better opportunity, and overall support, to do what he wants to do from a basketball perspective.

and our AD and president did what htey should have done..........made every effort to retain him.

i think it was a good day for Basketball and the TN athletic department in general.

imagine the difference today had he left because we wouldn't try to compete with big bad UCLA?
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I don't disagree with any of that except for number three. I never said fans should feel "angry" towards him. I said they would look at him differently. If they had the perception of him being totally loyal to the university, whether that was a perception created by the fans themselves or not, they have the right change that perception based on his actions. This took 99% of the fan base by surprise. That tells me that many had a different perception of Barnes than what was reality. I know I'll look at Coach Barnes differently from here on out, not anger but just realize that he is what he is, a hired hand. A very good hired hand that I would hate to lose.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, some wanted him gone because he didn't win a national championship or at least make a final four.

I agree, I dont fault anyone for trying to maximize their wealth. More power to them. However, don't claim to be all in on something when you leave the door open with a foot sticking out. Whether it was Barnes fault or not, he was perceived to be here until he retired. He preached family and perspective. His image was that he was different than most head coaches that would leave for the next big thing. When that turns out not to be true, I don't think it's fair to be critical of fans for view him a different light than they thought.
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why can't both be true...be all in with the university and community, and still want to improve yours, and your subordinates', situation? and he did stay....he didn't just bolt at the first sign of another offer....he tookd a day. :)
 
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Ace said:
The source of rumors is VN imaginations for the most part. CRB was offered another job at a prestigious school. He used the offer to get a raise for himself and staff. Plain and simple. It took about 24 hours to settle. Rumors and drama came from media and Volnation.
Remember: UCLA leaked this, not Barnes
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yup!
 
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jakez4ut said:
why can't both be true...be all in with the university and community, and still want to improve yours, and your subordinates', situation? and he did stay....he didn't just bolt at the first sign of another offer....he tookd a day. :)
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Again, it's all about the perception. Do you think this hurts or helps recruiting? If I'm an opposing coach, I'm saying "Barnes is there until the next big offer comes." You can argue all you want and defend coach Barnes and what happened yesterday as normal business but it is simply not. Distrust abounds. As LA said yesterday, coach Fulmer will remember this. This was not the way to handle it if you 100% invested in a program.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
What bugs me is UCLA has now more than doubled up the length of time UT took to hire Pruitt and they didn't go through all the AD drama we did...so why isn't the media bashing them as much as they did UT?
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cause no one cares about UCLA sports....like no one. they're probably at best 7th or 8th in priority in theiry own market. Lakers, dodgers, clippers, USC, LAC, LAR, Kings....
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I don't disagree with any of that except for number three. I never said fans should feel "angry" towards him. I said they would look at him differently. If they had the perception of him being totally loyal to the university, whether that was a perception created by the fans themselves or not, they have the right change that perception based on his actions. This took 99% of the fan base by surprise. That tells me that many had a different perception of Barnes than what was reality. I know I'll look at Coach Barnes differently from here on out, not anger but just realize that he is what he is, a hired hand. A very good hired hand that I would hate to lose.
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There ain’t a coach that exists that fit your former fantasy.
 
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