Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
I wouldn’t worry about rankings. 1-5 can be changed easily by one big commit. If you are recruiting top 15 in the country every year, that is all that matters. We should be worried about needs and some needs will come before others in any year. Some position groups are always ranked higher than others for more four and five stars. I don’t even look at rankings of other teams anymore. I just worry about where we are short and if we are stacking the group. All IMOI
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I ask because Florida beat us for too many years in many ways due to the Talent difference. Time to start a streak against them.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
both centers hire contracted 'muscle' for the season. unless folks have some know how they are usually clueless.

we bought storage shed from lowe's using gift cards. went to lowe's, they were.... clueless. one person was 'knew little bit' about them. had to wait on them, they then informed me they don't carry many of the sheds in stock. i'd have to order online.

then told me i'd need to build a platform. since sheds have them, some are hollow in bottom.

oh! and the shed would be have to be putv together.

i asked if they could do it. they said, maybe. sometimes they will put together if I buy in store. but i'd still have to have a flat concrete or wood base.

several weeks later, and an entire weekend we received our order in the email. we had it shipped to the store to avoid shipping, and so they could take the 5% lowe's card discount off.

guess what? there was one person who knows how to do that. and had to wait a long time for them to do that.

then they struggled getting the gift cards to work.

oh, don't worry. we (wife) opted not to pay them to put it together. we have kids, so, it took about two full days to assemble

in short, take the time to plan it out. take your measurements and buy as big as you can.

build your platform off the ground, ensure its where it will always be. there is permanence.

I would recommend spending the extra money. Height wise you can always go taller, than deeper.

There are dozens of local wood shed builders. Who may be able to custom make one. Wish I had spent the coin for nicer one.
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I already purchased one from a place that specializes in building. They delivered it to my house already put together and had me set up in 30 minutes. Thanks for the advice though.
 
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therickbol said:
If it's not a need (medical, utilities, etc) then it's simply business. People are allowed to be angry. We get angry about lots of things in life. But it doesn't mean it's justified anger. The reality is because players were not being paid for decades that the 'product' was able to be priced well below market equilibrium. The market is calibrating to the new dynamics and supply and demand IS how pricing works in a market.

We don't scream about how it's an injustice that Ferrari prices me out of their products. Or the mansions on the beach. Why do we think socialist pricing should be applied to college football?

They have actually used some creativity to allow fans that can't afford to attend games to get some part of the experience. They should continue to do that and I assume they will.
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They could cut the tickets prices by nearly 70% and still be within the actual +$2.2m profit that they report. They do a lot of stuff to make it seem like they are operating at near even expense/profit margin, but in reality they are likely fudging the numbers by $30-$60m/yr. So these constant price increases are bad and trying to justify them is too.

Here is where they are likely fudging up the #s:
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screenthis said:
I asked this yesterday. We're ahead of Florida in Recruiting. YEA! But they have a higher average player ranking. Whose having the better recruiting year. I ask because Florida is my least fav competition.
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At the end of the year we will definitely have a better class after they go 7-5, fire Billy, and their class falls apart.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
Comparing going to a college football game to buying a Ferrari I love this website
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The point is valid, with perhaps a slight tweak. If car company suddenly doubled the price of a car targeted to working class people, that would cause an expected and reasonable outcry. But if they introduced a hot new variant of that same car that costs considerably more because you're getting more, nobody would bat an eye, particularly if the original model were still available. There are still cheaper seats available, folks are just getting mad because they aren't on the 50.

I remember buying upper deck tickets in section UU or TT for next to nothing. They were bleachers and terribly uncomfortable. They ripped that section out and built the Terrace. Now I pay enough to buy a decent car, but I have chairbacks, cup holders, plenty of space, better food, air conditioned concourse, nice bathrooms, better parking, quick stadium entry, and an elevator ride up. As a grumpy old Boomer I'm willing and able to pay it, but I certainly have considered moving elsewhere in the stadium to greatly reduce the cost. Then I consider how much nicer my game day experience is and I pay up yet again.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
They could cut the tickets prices by nearly 70% and still be within the actual +$2.2m profit that they report. They do a lot of stuff to make it seem like they are operating at near even expense/profit margin, but in reality they are likely fudging the numbers by $30-$60m/yr. So these constant price increases are bad and trying to justify them is too.

Here is where they are likely fudging up the #s:
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Eh, the athletic department is a not for profit organization without shareholders. They have some reserves, but they essentially spend the amount that they bring in. It's always been the case.

NIL and profit sharing has changed the landscape because NIL is diverting "some" donor funds to the collectives or NIL. The $20 million in revenue sharing still has to be paid to the athletes. That is in addition to remaining status quo with capital improvements. They would like for facilities not to deteriorate or make them better. That helps with recruiting along with fan experience at the venues. Costs have gone up in construction and in labor wages.

I know it stinks to see long time fans priced out. Both can be true. But we are in a golden age of our athletic programs succeeding at a high level. They are going to push the boundaries to make money while people are eager to pay, come, and watch. There will probably be a time when things aren't so good, and they will have to adjust.
 
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tnhunter 10 said:
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Funny some programs are laying people off trying to balance their budget and others are in the hole with their head in the sand. All programs took a huge hit after house settlement and not a lot were making money to start with. Where did people think this money was going to come from?, the federal reserve printing press.

People said pay the players so there is only so many ways to get that money, raise ticket prices, check. Shut some programs down, check in some cases other schools will soon do this. Lay people off, check already happened at some school, more to come.

Money had to come from somewhere….
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Funny some programs are laying people off trying to balance their budget and others are in the hole with their head in the sand. All programs took a huge hit after house settlement and not a lot were making money to start with. Where did people think this money was going to come from?, the federal reserve printing press.

People said pay the players so there is only so many ways to get that money, raise ticket prices, check. Shut some programs down, check in some cases other schools will soon do this. Lay people off, check already happened at some school, more to come.

Money had to come from somewhere….
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It is unsustainable IMO. Right now UT is living on a fattened cow because all sports are winning but what happens when a couple of those sports have a downturn and ticket sales go down? Hopefully DW is building in a rainy day for for such scenario.
 
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volfan411 said:
It is unsustainable IMO. Right now UT is living on a fattened cow because all sports are winning but what happens when a couple of those sports have a downturn and ticket sales go down? Hopefully DW is building in a rainy day for for such scenario.
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I think each sport operates on tight margins.

Baseball, Basketball, and Football may be, MAY be the ONLY sports making money.
 
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VolGee4 said:
They didn't beat us because of talent in 2014 and 2015 (and probably 2017).
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There were several years FLA beat us in which we had a more talented team. One of the biggest mental hurdles. Thank God Heupel has changed the culture, we just gotta beat UGA since they've started their own streak against us. And yes, they've been the more talented team probably every game over the last 8 years.
 
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peaygolf said:
How many were at this game........butts clinched?????:oops:

I was..........


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And Matthews went on to become a referee. He is the ref that called Florida’s WR Gaffney dropped pass in the end zone a TD and allowed Florida to beat us. No reviews back then. Matthews bitter about always losing to Vols, but he got his revenge
 
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volfan411 said:
It is unsustainable IMO. Right now UT is living on a fattened cow because all sports are winning but what happens when a couple of those sports have a downturn and ticket sales go down? Hopefully DW is building in a rainy day for for such scenario.
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I agree with you.

I posted 2 years ago when people were calling for players to be paid that the day that happens schools will look at cutting a lot of sports and there would be very few schools making money at the end of the day, There were not that many programs consistently making money as a whole before house…
 
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Ace said:
And Matthews went on to become a referee. He is the ref that called Florida’s WR Gaffney dropped pass in the end zone a TD and allowed Florida to beat us. No reviews back then. Matthews bitter about always losing to Vols, but he got his revenge
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i did not know that part...........
 
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