Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Rishvol]

Look at the width of many of their fairways. That does not say "US Open" to me.

Too much room?

 

[UTProf]

Scum

What exactly did he do? I can't access KNS and the article I read basically said he setup a company he didn't actually work at while customers still thought he did and didn't get whatever they paid for (the article was clear as mud). But look, anything with "straw" in the name should be a tip off that it's a well, ya know, a 'straw company.'

 

[Jackcrevol]

Charged? Did you read the shared story. He's lost at least 3 civil claims against him already...On3 AND Metro Straw both have parted ways and made public statements.

A civil claim is a criminal claim? I'm not here to argue his innocence. But I am saying there are times in this world that court of public opinion ruins peoples reputations when falsely accused.

Id say this young man isnt in for a fun 2025-26. cannot imagine him having $ for a good defense lawyer, unless he's connected and can get pro bono.

not sure if the fraud happened across state lines. if it has he may have lucked out with Orange one telling justice department to not pursue white collar criminals.

I cannot imagine a world in which being a Felon is anything but about the worst thing you could envision. Prob gets 3 months probation, and one week in minimum security prison with conjugal visits.

Let's not pretend this is the same as violent crime, but, it is absolutely a crime. And should be treated as such. However, things as they are these days, societally may serve to enable such things.

There appears a laissez-faire attitude toward certain criminals, and in a broader sense where capitalism at any cost, and money is power. To me a connected, well to do, white dude in the South, former athlete probably doesn't care about the fallout. Looking around the room, prob feels either entitled or invulnerable.

 

[tnhunter 10]

 

[Ten_Titans]

Here’s the story.

Seems like the story from 2018 was legit. He really was running that company at the time.

Sounds like drug addiction to me.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Me driving to the office seeing folks running, exercising, and Lampin' out at Starbucks...

 

[MoCo_Vol]

A civil claim is a criminal claim? I'm not here to argue his innocence. But I am saying there are times in this world that court of public opinion ruins peoples reputations when falsely accused.

Id say this young man isnt in for a fun 2025-26. cannot imagine him having $ for a good defense lawyer, unless he's connected and can get pro bono.

not sure if the fraud happened across state lines. if it has he may have lucked out with Orange one telling justice department to not pursue white collar criminals.

I cannot imagine a world in which being a Felon is anything but about the worst thing you could envision. Let's not pretend this is the same as violent crime, but, it is absolutely a crime. And should be treated as such. However, things as they are these days, societally.

There appears a laissez-faire attitude toward certain criminals, and in a broader sense where capitalism at any cost, and money is power. To me a connected, well to do, white dude in the South, former athlete probably doesn't care about the fallout. Looking around the room, prob feels either entitled or invulnerable.

I'll be honest...the topic you seem to want to discuss isn't really relevant to what I or others have said.

As you pointed out, it's absolutely a crime and it's pretty clear because Grant hasn't just had claims against him but has lost multiple civil claims he is guilty of something. In this type of situation each party scammed would have to take him to court OR a class action would need to be filed. No stealing folks money isn't a violent crime, absolutely no one but you has brought that up or compared the two.

Grant f'd up...ex-Vol or not he's a POS for his actions. That's an opinion most folks will hold.

 

[SSVol]

JD believes that if UT has a Top 10 defense and solid run game again, they go 10-2. I’ll take that all day, every day.

He also believes Heupel is adapting to the SEC and is willing to win by running the ball and playing defense.

Tennessee Fan or College Football Sicko?

 

[Adam2014]

 

[Vols4us]

Too much room?

Yes. The landing areas for the driver are too wide on some. With the first cut higher they do not roll into the higher stuff as often as they ordinarily would. Will see what the officials do to counter.

 

[Jackcrevol]

USGA must be furious with the scores right now

What is a USGA?

 

[Jackcrevol]

Yes. The landing areas for the driver are too wide on some. With the first cut higher they do not roll into the higher stuff as often as they ordinarily would. Will see what the officials do to counter.

Needs moar lawn mowers, imo.

 

[knoxvol52]

What is a USGA?

United States Golf Association...

 

[Jackcrevol]

United States Golf Association...

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I like ZZ, but this is probably the right call. . . the Pavia ruling was bad.

 

[JCVol00]

I like ZZ, but this is probably the right call. . . the Pavia ruling was bad.

Yup, ZZ has no business getting another year of eligibility. And Berto, Pavia, CBM, etc shouldn’t either. College should be 5 years to play 4 seasons MAX, maybe include a medical rs clause that you get a medical rs if you miss more than half the regular season from injury

 

[Jackcrevol]

I like ZZ, but this is probably the right call. . . the Pavia ruling was bad.

Seems like courts are done holding water for inept, bureaucracies.

 

[peaygolf]

Yup, ZZ has no business getting another year of eligibility. And Berto, Pavia, CBM, etc shouldn’t either. College should be 5 years to play 4 seasons MAX, maybe include a medical rs clause that you get a medical rs if you miss more than half the regular season from injury

5 years to play 4.....any level above High School.
Period.

 

[dmwvol12]

Unless your kid has baseball scholarship potential, I'd argue travel ball (the stereotypical every weekend and many thousands of dollars per season variety) is bad for your kid. If they grow up thinking sports is all there is to life, they'll be empty and unsatisfied later in life and they'll miss a lot of valuable childhood experiences because they had so much of their life devoted to one single area.

Now if baseball is going to be their life into adulthood and a possible career, that's not always a bad thing. But most kids don't benefit later in life from that type of childhood. I did it for a season before my parents threw in the towel, and none of those permanent travel ball kids I knew turned out to be the kind of adults I'd want my kid to be. Maybe just coincidence, but I think a more well rounded childhood is better for almost every kid.

Well said and the message is clear that ball is the most important thing in life. More important than school, your faith and pretty much everything else in life. Bad message to send to your kids. Most parents do it out of great love for their kids but teaching your children priorities and balance in life is much more important. I’m older and know many disagree and that’s fine. I coached both my daughters in numerous sports and generally had good experiences in coaching. You always have a crazy here and there but I would just nicely tell them to find another team to play on as that wouldn’t hurt my feelings. Teaching fundamentals and having fun is what’s important in coaching younger kids. Everyone likes to win but thinking that’s the most important thing when coaching kids under 10-11 years old you really need to rethink your priorities. Rant over.

 

[utkevdawg1]

Obviously, he needs to have his day in court, but all of this is alleged in the article. Two companies dropped him because of this behavior. It is highly unlikely for it to be untrue.

Justice is best served cold.

Because if it was served warm, it would be justwater.

 

[csprig9]

Welp, that did not take long.

Be surprised if 50% doesn’t have to go to women’s sports even though they dont make much money
Which is fine, I don’t care either way
Imo
NIL will still be wide open bc I don’t see how anybody can tell businesses how much they can give away to players ….. this nil committee ******** thinks they can regulate that then they are in for a wake up call and I agree, nobody should be able to tell me I can’t pay a guy who plays football for Tennessee X amount of dollars. It’s my money that I’ve already paid taxes on so the NIL committee can kiss my ass

 

[csprig9]

5 years to play 4.....any level above High School.
Period.

Yep
put an age limit on it at 23/24 also

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

USGA must be furious with the scores right now

The players will pay for it the next 3 days. Winning score will be over par (unless Scottie does something Tiger-esque).

 

[VolGee4]

Yup, ZZ has no business getting another year of eligibility. And Berto, Pavia, CBM, etc shouldn’t either. College should be 5 years to play 4 seasons MAX, maybe include a medical rs clause that you get a medical rs if you miss more than half the regular season from injury

The issue is that each case has a different set of facts, and the NCAA arbitrarily issues waivers. Health and mental health being something they’ve been protecting. The 5 to play 5 is probably going to pass, and ZZ is going to be in the only class that doesn’t benefit from that since Covid. I don’t disagree with sentiments, but the NCAA created this whole mess.

 

[LaagerVol]

We have the best coach in college baseball.

If he left for ARK (by no means do I think he will), what would the argument be for UT?

We have the best AD in the country who is making or facilities some of the best in the country. We are willing to pay more for the right coach. We have the best overall fan base in the country. We have a higher overall potential.