Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[CAVPUT]

So much compassion you can't tell the truth and call a spade a spade? A thief is a thief...a liar is a liar...a slime ball is a slimeball.

That's not compassion...that's justifying evil. I don't hate Nico really..I REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE what he just did...it was a horrid betrayal...period.

Exactly. Goes to the eval process IMO. By all accounts, this relationship with Nico wasn't a short one. We targeted him very early in the process. With all the time and visits, with the money being discussed, with the group flights....all that time, there was never a question/uneasy feeling/concern about team Nico? Did Heupel star gaze or did he really get to know the kid and his family?

I don't know the answers, but the buck stops with Heupel. Kind of a red flag for me.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Here's a possible candidate if we go the experienced back up route

 

[jmacvols1]

Lol it's because be already called everyone. Lol

it will change to "please contact" by tomorrow.

 

[Jackcrevol]

He needs to drastically upgrade his staff. I think his loyalty to guys in his sphere is admirable, but when they simply can't do the job at a level this league demands, it's the wrong move. We have some coaches on this staff who were bad hires/promotions.

We've got players who are bad evals. Keep going back to the UCF fans on their board who voiced similar complaints. Initially, I considered it sour grape over being jilted by a coach. They also complained about Heupels "system" and the fact that he had won with Frosts recruits but his recruiting results didn't appear to be at nearly the same level.

Can Heupel change? Hope so. I think he's a good man, but I have to wonder if his firing at OU damaged him to the point that he isn't willing to make the tough decisions that all college coaches face? He will get a pass this year due to the Nico teams antics. At some point soon, this will be the team that Heupel will have to own. I'm not sure how that will turn out for him.

Its like City of Johnson City. If dont make Citizens happy. Young people leave, no one repopulates. Old people die:

Bad example. But similarly. You miss on a very large prrcentage of blue chippers, who had on campus. time and time again. ones you did land earlyv on, you can't keep because you got out talented in the big games. Sooner or later, the tarnish wears off.

Love this staff. But, it feels like the boat is taking on water. really thought with Nico leaving would be a positive. And still may be. Not getting the warm and fuzzies out of the porthole.

They were at a point with Orange Bowl win they could really stock pile talent. Same for playoff berth. Instead Florid reloaded. bama reloaded. georgia reloaded.

I mean 26 class we really have a grand opportunity to have one of those elite level next level classes. true to form we lost Keys. lost the NC DE, and havent landed anyone with any real difference ability.

Faizon is that guy. We have to surround him with best of the best. and that is simply not happening.

 

[CAVPUT]

You're probably not going to like this, but Butch recruited more offensive stars in those two classes than Heupel has in his 5 years here.

Yep, but fans won't want to take a critical look at this coach or his history at UCF.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Give me some of this

Can kickers still kick barefooted if they want to?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Probably 5’1

Listed at 6'2. lol

 

[UTvol1fn]

Can kickers still kick barefooted if they want to?

I assume all he has to do is take off his shoes. This mystery might just be unsolvable.

 

[DD4ME]

Less blackballed more paywalled imo

 

[knoxvol52]

Can kickers still kick barefooted if they want to?

Yes...

 

[RyanWalkerPGH]

Yep, but fans won't want to take a critical look at this coach or his history at UCF.

We've seen what Heupel is capable of when he has the right skill position personnel. Just can't wrap my head around him having his most successful season entirely with Pruitt's guys.

He just hasn't done a great job with his evaluations on the offensive side of the ball for whatever reason, especially at the WR position.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

He needs to drastically upgrade his staff. I think his loyalty to guys in his sphere is admirable, but when they simply can't do the job at a level this league demands, it's the wrong move. We have some coaches on this staff who were bad hires/promotions.

We've got players who are bad evals. Keep going back to the UCF fans on their board who voiced similar complaints. Initially, I considered it sour grape over being jilted by a coach. They also complained about Heupels "system" and the fact that he had won with Frosts recruits but his recruiting results didn't appear to be at nearly the same level.

Can Heupel change? Hope so. I think he's a good man, but I have to wonder if his firing at OU damaged him to the point that he isn't willing to make the tough decisions that all college coaches face? He will get a pass this year due to the Nico teams antics. At some point soon, this will be the team that Heupel will have to own. I'm not sure how that will turn out for him.

For what it's worth, the one year he didn't win 10 games at UCF was the 6-4 covid year and 2 of the losses were to top 15 teams (Cincinnati who went 9-1 with only a 3 point loss to Georgia in bowl game) and then lost to BYU in bowl game.

That defense was absolute trash though...but Randy Shannon had been there all 3 seasons so I'm sure he didn't expect them to have that sort of step back.

Still though every game was close in regular season. Lost to Tulsa by 8 (gave up 9 in the 4th quarter), lost at Memphis by 1 (gave up 21 in 4th quarter), lost to Cincinnati by 3 (gave up 14 in 4th quarter)

 

[SoilVol]

You say this but I also wonder how much of the WR issues were on them and how much was on Nico. Hindsight being what it is now and now that the Nico blinders are taken off, there is enough evidence out there to show that Nico wasn’t the stud QB he was sold to us as. He had tons of overthrows to WR with at minimum 5 yards separation, he struggled to extend plays at several key moments, and his quickness at moving the offense along, something that’s crucial under Heupel’s schemes, was lackluster.

I’m not saying he was solely to blame, as there are definitely issues with our receivers, but I think it’s unfair to cast all that at the feet of the receiving core and cast them as bottom of the barrel.

This^

How discouraging is it to WRs in this offense to run all over the field all night and have 0 faith they'll get the ball when they get open bc the QB will not predict the route and throw them open or hit them in stride. Bc the QB consistently holds the ball too long.

Then the WRs inevitably reduce their effort. Then they look bad.

 

[StoVol]

Hell yea, drive to the opponents 43 yard line and guaranteed at least 3 points...

He hits 70 yarders my goodness

 

[barney]

The fact that big nic thought that little ole tulane was gonna pay nico the coveted $4mil speaks to a dangerous level of
Psychosis

 

[CAVPUT]

Bumping to make it easier to find QB graph. Wanted to compare new names. Not sure how I feel about Byrum (USF) making the list. He didn't really play last year had a QBR of 52 for the time he did. That is why he is not on this list. Of names mentioned the ones that performed in QBR and PFF best are:
Avery
Robinson
Altmyer

Of the names with the most traction I would say Robinson. Altmyer i like his touch and arm strength, but no one is talking about him anymore. Avery is supposedly a K state kid through and through. He's from KS and would not even give KS the time of day. I don't see him moving, but I like him best.

Know the Robinson kid is more prototypical, but I'm drawn to the history of the Becht kid. And how can you not love a kid named Rocco? I'm kinda pulling for him. This team needs a dawg at QB...a leader who shows up day after day ready to work....and not in pajamas .

 

[Jack Burton]

Okay, new disagreement in the pismonque household. Just saw an IG post asking why we pronounce the G in longevity twice. Took me a while but I finally figured out what he's talking about. He's pronouncing it long-jevity rather than lon-jevity.

So I showed it to my wife and told her that same thing and she said yeah but everybody in the world pronounces it long-jevity. I said I have never in my life said it that way. She gave me her well-worn "there's something wrong with you" look and went off to bed.

She's an exceptionally bright woman (choice of husband notwithstanding) but Merriam Webster seems to agree with me. But I'm curious: any of you morans pronounce it with the double G?

My son is constantly saying “brung” instead of “brought”. Just yesterday we have this exchange.

“I brung home my math test. You need to sign it.”

“Ok, but brought is the correct term.”

“But everyone at school says brung.”

So I look it up.


So nonstandard but still acceptable. I will not accept “broughten” though.

 

[DD4ME]

You're probably not going to like this, but Butch recruited more offensive stars in those two classes than Heupel has in his 5 years here.

Lol legacy classes he tragically mismanaged. Don't disagree with your point, but highlighting 2 vastly different strategies.

All sizzle no steak

Mostly steak moderate sizzle

 

[StoVol]

Really nice prospect here, about to get paid

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Just to add to this, my talent & strength-adjusted PCAN (Points created above Nico) metric...

Johnson: 4.8 ppg
Robertson: 3.9 ppg
Becht: 2.7 ppg
Altmeyer: 0.7 ppg

I like Robertson...6'4" 220lbs was a 4 star and top 25 QB outta Texas in the 2021 class went to Miss State to play for Mike Leach so got a year learning the Air Raid offense. Then 2 years at Baylor and the season he started he was running the spread under Jake Spavital... so should have a pretty good handle on a lot of the same philosophy we run.

 

[DD4ME]

Know the Robinson kid is more prototypical, but I'm drawn to the history of the Becht kid. And how can you not love a kid named Rocco? I'm kinda pulling for him. This team needs a dawg at QB...a leader who shows up day after day ready to work....and not in pajamas .

I don't want a top athlete for this year i want a kid with a big enough arm, but is willing to grind. This will the the opposite of an easy pay day for for the RIGHT candidate. Any talented kid can come take a paycheck and blame the circumstances. I hate to say it I want more Pavia less Leava

 

[Jimmy Football]

So nonstandard but still acceptable. I will not accept “broughten” though.

You’re missing out. Sauerbroughten is delicious.

 

[SoilVol]

If people think showing compassion to liars, cheaters, murderers, prostitutes, etc is justifying evil...then what do they think about Jesus?

Empathy is a sin, Joey

 

[Smokey'sHandler]

Lol it's because be already called everyone. Lol

It should have stated "Do not contact. Big Nic will be contacting you if we are interested"

 

[StoVol]

Has to help us in our first game right?