Radio silence on Kumar Rocker

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VolnJC said:

Okay I admit I have no clue...what is the inverted W and why are scouts critical of it?
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Not sure if anyone else answered or not. But it’s when the pitcher picks up both of his elbows above his shoulder creating the inverted W. This puts a lot of strain on both the shoulder and elbow, which many think can tear the ulnar collateral ligament, which stabilizes the elbow. Causes lots of pitchers have elbow trouble. Mark Prior for the Cubs was a classic example.
 
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C/O said:
Not sure if anyone else answered or not. But it’s when the pitcher picks up both of his elbows above his shoulder creating the inverted W. This puts a lot of strain on both the shoulder and elbow, which many think can tear the ulnar collateral ligament, which stabilizes the elbow. Causes lots of pitchers have elbow trouble. Mark Prior for the Cubs was a classic example.
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I still don't understand. Do you mean when the pitcher is in the windup? How could that strain the elbow?
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
I still don't understand. Do you mean when the pitcher is in the windup? How could that strain the elbow?
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During the delivery (motion toward the plate). If your elbows are up like that, when your shoulders start to turn toward home plate, it creates a whole lot of torque on your throwing arm (elbow/shoulder) in order for it to try and catch up. It’s kind of like a golf swing with poor fundamentals. If your shoulder turn is funky or late, you will try to overcompensate to correct it at impact. And the overcompensation is what leads to a golfers poor contact, or in Prior or Rockers case, extra strain on ligaments while throwing.
 
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C/O said:
During the delivery (motion toward the plate). If your elbows are up like that, when your shoulders start to turn toward home plate, it creates a whole lot of torque on your throwing arm (elbow/shoulder) in order for it to try and catch up. It’s kind of like a golf swing with poor fundamentals. If your shoulder turn is funky or late, you will try to overcompensate to correct it at impact.
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Got it. Thanks. I had never really noticed before, but now that you mention it I can see his motion in my mind's eye from having watched him so much this past season. And you're right, that left elbow was indeed flying.
 
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Mose Phillip's Watch said:
I cant see him back at Vandy
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I haven’t read anything anywhere saying he intends to go back…but, lol, when Hyams was doing his “news and notes” he said he was going back to school and Wilkerson corrected that immediately, by the time John was done all Jimmy could say was, “interesting”. 😂
 
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vol66 said:
But if the over all point is, if they don’t sign him, he should have the ability to move on to another team, I agree.
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Was thinking something similar, if team can’t reach an agreement with a player, then other teams could sign him for a certain amount (maybe at least slot value), would be similar to the waiver wire. Problem is, players may use it to pull a John Elway/Eli Manning and control which team they play for.
 
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Volprofch05 said:
Was thinking something similar, if team can’t reach an agreement with a player, then other teams could sign him for a certain amount (maybe at least slot value), would be similar to the waiver wire. Problem is, players may use it to pull a John Elway/Eli Manning and control which team they play for.
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I’ll be the first to say I don’t know/understand the nuances of the draft, players union, etc…mostly because MLB is just not that interesting to me, in part because they have made it so difficult to watch.
 
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wmcovol said:
TJ surgery, if rehabbed right, can increase velocity, but it takes about a year rehab. I doubt Rocker comes back to Vandy. If he has elbow issues the last thing he needs to do is hurt it playing again for Vandy. Rest might be all he needs. I think He’ll sit and wait for draft next year.
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I think he comes back to Vandy but does not play baseball. He will either have surgery and rehab for next year’s draft, or just rehab with no surgery for a year. If I was is his shoes, I would never let Vandy’s pitching coach even talk to him.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
This will be used against Corbin on the recruiting trail, as it should.
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How is this going to go against Corbin? He never threw more than 117 pitches. He pitched 122 innings in 20 games. That is 6 1/3 per start. Cheeze threw 103 innings in 17 starts. That is 6.1/3 per start. Ty Madden threw 113.2/3 in 18 starts which is a higher pace. No one even knows if he is injured and the extent. This smells like a rich owner trying to get a steal knowing if he does not sign the kid he gets a replacement pick. All he did was cause Rocker to lose a year of earning. All we are hearing is the Mets trying to cover their butts. Rocker's camp is saying nothing is wrong. Just because they do not have an army of journalists representing them does not mean they are wrong. I feel sorry for the kid. Forget that it's Vandy for a minute. What if this was Cheese? Or your kid?

Oh and bypassing the MRI. Most of your projected 1st few round guys don't have it done. Why would you? Hey look there is a slight strain drop me down in the draft and give me less money. SMH
 
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CunningLinguist said:
How is this going to go against Corbin? He never threw more than 117 pitches. He pitched 122 innings in 20 games. That is 6 1/3 per start. Cheeze threw 103 innings in 17 starts. That is 6.1/3 per start. Ty Madden threw 113.2/3 in 18 starts which is a higher pace. No one even knows if he is injured and the extent. This smells like a rich owner trying to get a steal knowing if he does not sign the kid he gets a replacement pick. All he did was cause Rocker to lose a year of earning. All we are hearing is the Mets trying to cover their butts. Rocker's camp is saying nothing is wrong. Just because they do not have an army of journalists representing them does not mean they are wrong. I feel sorry for the kid. Forget that it's Vandy for a minute. What if this was Cheese? Or your kid?

Oh and bypassing the MRI. Most of your projected 1st few round guys don't have it done. Why would you? Hey look there is a slight strain drop me down in the draft and give me less money. SMH
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If it screws over Vandy that is a Victory
 
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CunningLinguist said:
How is this going to go against Corbin? He never threw more than 117 pitches. He pitched 122 innings in 20 games. That is 6 1/3 per start. Cheeze threw 103 innings in 17 starts. That is 6.1/3 per start. Ty Madden threw 113.2/3 in 18 starts which is a higher pace. No one even knows if he is injured and the extent. This smells like a rich owner trying to get a steal knowing if he does not sign the kid he gets a replacement pick. All he did was cause Rocker to lose a year of earning. All we are hearing is the Mets trying to cover their butts. Rocker's camp is saying nothing is wrong. Just because they do not have an army of journalists representing them does not mean they are wrong. I feel sorry for the kid. Forget that it's Vandy for a minute. What if this was Cheese? Or your kid?

Oh and bypassing the MRI. Most of your projected 1st few round guys don't have it done. Why would you? Hey look there is a slight strain drop me down in the draft and give me less money. SMH
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It’s bad for Corbin because, on one hand you’d need to sit around with a calculator and compute innings pitched for several pitchers and compare, while on the other we can simply say, hey check out Kumar who got picked 10 and was abandoned. Simpler argument often wins these days. I feel sorry for the kid as well, but SEC teams will not.
 
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Nobody in baseball looks at innings pitched. It is how many pitches did he throw. I would have to do some research but I believe he went over 120 pitches multiple times this year which is way too many pitches for a College pitcher to throw in a ball game especially on multiple outings. Innings do not matter because you could have a three pitch inning or you could have a 40 pitch inning. If you wanna do a comparison, see how many pitches each of those guys threw and by the way throw Kopps and Leiter in there with them.
Rocker averaged 92 pitches a game
Leiter averaged 100 pitches a game
Kopps averaged 14,39 per inning
 
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