QB Competition: Bray and Simms

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PeytonBerry said:
What about Simm's documented issues with smoking pot? Also, what if they are not on the same level of QBing? Simms stats at UofL and JUCO were very poor.
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Thats what they are saying! Brey is where Sims was two years ago,immature and smoking the hippy lettuce! Sims will lead until Tyler quits the weed,lol!!! These kids aren't the only ones, I know Investment bankers and Barristers that that smoke that stuff, for medical reasons only of course!! JK, I do think young Sims has the upperhand this year. It might be hard for him to hold onto next year though!!! Future looks bright at QB/ WR & OL. This is beginning of a major upswing for the Vols!! V,B!
 
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If the two are fairly even in talent, go with the better leader. If leadership skills are lacking in both, go with the younger player.

If the Vols are going to struggle regardless of whether Simms or Bray are under center, I'd rather see them struggle with the Bray.
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
Bray could be the guy this year if he puts in the work.
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this is where Simms is far ahead. Tyler is still adapting to school and the requirements expected. Typical freshman that just won't put in the time that an upper classmen understands needs to be put in. Tyler will be fine, in time. He will understand what is required, in time.

Young colts have to get reined in after a while.
 
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Lexvol said:
Is quarterbackless a word?
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I was open minded and ok with the 2 young guns till I read this post. Now I'm uneasy cause Lex usually proves to be right. They're both young,lack practical game expierience(bray more than simms), so start the QB that you in your gut feel has the receivers and o-lines respect and confidence more. You run 300 plays in practice you'll get a reasonable feel for who they prefer more between the two, then be at peace with it's my 1st year as a coach and the world will forgive me.
 
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Simms decision making still worries me... but it's part of the game... he will either do well or get benched. No excuses for int's anymore, you make a bad throw you do 10 push ups before the next huddle, if it's a int you run spirits on the sideline and do 100 pushups, discipline will be the key to this teams success... i am tired of mediocrody, ole Phil would claps his hands and grit his teeth after a int all while chewing a big wad of gum.
 
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one will be better than the other by mid season,which one is to be seen yet,young and at TN in hard times,we will see ,i don't know which one,I'm leaning toward Bray,the OL play will tell and hippy lettuce? any hippy will tell you lettuce won't burn,try it,so i have heard :)
 
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Simms stats stand out to me. He threw a lot of picks in JUCO. You want a 2-1 ratio. You also want above 60% completion percentage. However, these are stats expected out of college juniors or seniors. So he's got plenty of time to make that jump, and IMO, he's on track. Seems like a homeless man's Brett Favre. He could either put the team on his shoulders and win games for you, or lose them slinging it around. Gonna be fun watching, either way.
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Does no one else remember the stats from the 2 scrimmage games?
Bray is outplaying Simms to this point:

1st Scrimmage
Matt Simms 6-of-20, 83 yards, TD, int.;
Tyler Bray 8-of-13, 69 yards, TD, int.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_172514.asp

2nd Scrimmage
Matt Simms 8-for-25, 110 yards, TD, int.;
Tyler Bray 10-for-19, 87 yards, TD, int.;

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=12289475

Bray has played better, has more upside being a true freshmen, and will get stronger as the season progresses. Fulmer played Ainge and Schaeffer as true freshmen, and UT won the SEC East.
 
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Smokeybluetick said:
Thats what they are saying! Brey is where Sims was two years ago,immature and smoking the hippy lettuce! Sims will lead until Tyler quits the weed,lol!!! These kids aren't the only ones, I know Investment bankers and Barristers that that smoke that stuff, for medical reasons only of course!! JK, I do think young Sims has the upperhand this year. It might be hard for him to hold onto next year though!!! Future looks bright at QB/ WR & OL. This is beginning of a major upswing for the Vols!! V,B!
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Again, I think it is so irresponsible for anyone to speculate Tyler Bray is smoking weed. Where did any of this come from? I heard one guy mention it on a post, and it is like an undisputed fact of something. I challenge you to find one piece of information that supports your claim. Simms on the other hand has a past from UofL which cannot be disputed.
 
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LWSVOL said:
this is where Simms is far ahead. Tyler is still adapting to school and the requirements expected. Typical freshman that just won't put in the time that an upper classmen understands needs to be put in. Tyler will be fine, in time. He will understand what is required, in time.

Young colts have to get reined in after a while.
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How can you support this? Where do you get your information that Bray "just won't put in the time"? Everything we hear about Bray is size or things just like this. Concerns about Simms are legitimate and tied to actual performance.
 
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Let's just wait until the first quarter of the Oregon game.... Then we will all know! GBO!!
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PeytonBerry said:
How can you support this? Where do you get your information that Bray "just won't put in the time"? Everything we hear about Bray is size or things just like this. Concerns about Simms are legitimate and tied to actual performance.
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the football complex.

he will be fine, don't go ballistic. he is just a young pup..

trust me, not expecting Matt to be all conference player but we have many that will have to play that will not be all conference.. its just that he is ahead right now of others at his position including Tyler
 
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PeytonBerry said:
How can you support this? Where do you get your information that Bray "just won't put in the time"? Everything we hear about Bray is size or things just like this. Concerns about Simms are legitimate and tied to actual performance.
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Explain further.
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LWSVOL said:
the football complex.

he will be fine, don't go ballistic. he is just a young pup..

trust me, not expecting Matt to be all conference player but we have many that will have to play that will not be all conference.. its just that he is ahead right now of others at his position including Tyler
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I'm not upset or anything, I am just curious what exactly you have heard or seen reported to suggest Bray has not been putting in the time. How can you say he is ahead of Bray at the position? What have you seen to justify that statement?

I don't mean to take it out on you, but I keep hearing all these things about Bray and nobody can back any of them up. He smokes weed, he's lazy, he hasn't been putting in the time, etc. Everything I have read about Bray from the coaches and players are the exact opposite. Again, I just want to know where all this information is coming from.

What I see is a better decision maker with a stronger arm and surprisingly good leadership skills at a young age. This same kid also outplayed Simms consistently in two Spring Scrimmages and the OW game.

Simms on the other hand comes with a past, and nothing but poor to mediocre on-the-field performances. This isn't just me busting his chops. Look at the stats and see for yourself. Nobody can look at his performance and call it anything different. Look at Louisville, El Camino, and three scrimmages at UT. I think these are better indicators of his performance than "he stayed for the extra practice", "he's winning the locker room", or "he's had a great spiral at the Manning camp."

Now to be fair, Dooley praised Simms and said he has worked harder than anyone on the team. Good for him, and maybe he has turned the corner. If the coaching staff evaluates both players and says Simms is the guy, I will put my trust in them. After all who knows more about them? With that said, I have only seen evidence ON THE FIELD of interceptions, a lack in accuracy, and poor decision making. Until I see something different, I am going to be very nervous with him as our quarterback.

IMO Bray is the better quarterback, BASED ON EVIDENCE. I think he puts us in the better position to win, and I like the idea of getting experience under his belt so that he will be that much better for three more years. I hope I am wrong about Simms, and I respect the other opinions on this board. I just hope we can be fair to both of these young men in our evaluations by sticking to the facts instead of rumors.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
IMO Bray is the better quarterback, BASED ON EVIDENCE. I think he puts us in the better position to win, and I like the idea of getting experience under his belt so that he will be that much better for three more years. I hope I am wrong about Simms, and I respect the other opinions on this board. I just hope we can be fair to both of these young men in our evaluations by sticking to the facts instead of rumors.
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What is this evidence you speak of?

It is known that Bray is not working as much as he should, just because you have not seen it does not make it a rumor. All you are basing your opinion on Simms is on his past not what he has done since being at UT.
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
What is this evidence you speak of?

It is known that Bray is not working as much as he should, just because you have not seen it does not make it a rumor. All you are basing your opinion on Simms is on his past not what he has done since being at UT.
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Since they have both been at UT there have been three scrimmages including the orange and white game. In every scrimmage Bray outplayed Simms. Sure, Dooley said Spring was a mess, but Bray had to learn a new playbook too. They got here at the same time and had the same amount of time to prepare. To be fair Simms had a disadvantage at the line of scrimmage, but that does not excuse poor decision making. Bray on the other hand made some excellent and very difficult throws. He also managed the offense well, and made good decisions. I know this is not a ton of evidence but it is the best we have.

Concerning Simms' past performance at Louisville and JUCO, I still think they are worthy of our consideration, because we have yet to see anything different. Louisville, JUCO, and UT scrimmages were all poor. If he has a descent season this year, I agree we forget about these past performances. But I am still waiting on Simms to show me something to earn my confidence in him.

While I think it is great Dooley said Simms has made big strides since the Spring, I don't think it justifies some of the negative things I've heard about Bray on this thread. I'm not saying, "Bray definitely has never smoked weed" or "He is the hardest worker on the team", but until somebody can back it up, I am afraid they are rumors in every shape and form. On the field performance for both quarterbacks are not rumors, and I think Bray is winning that battle.
 
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Section N Row 5 said:
What is this evidence you speak of?

It is known that Bray is not working as much as he should, just because you have not seen it does not make it a rumor. All you are basing your opinion on Simms is on his past not what he has done since being at UT.
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You proved my point right there. How is it "known." You nor anyone else can back that up. It may be true or it may not be true, but you have absolutely nothing to back up that claim. Please direct me to your source.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
Since they have both been at UT there have been three scrimmages including the orange and white game. In every scrimmage Bray outplayed Simms. Sure, Dooley said Spring was a mess, but Bray had to learn a new playbook too. They got here at the same time and had the same amount of time to prepare. To be fair Simms had a disadvantage at the line of scrimmage, but that does not excuse poor decision making. Bray on the other hand made some excellent and very difficult throws. He also managed the offense well, and made good decisions. I know this is not a ton of evidence but it is the best we have. Concerning Simms' past performance at Louisville and JUCO, I still think they are worthy of our consideration, because we have yet to see anything different. Louisville, JUCO, and UT scrimmages were all poor. If he has a descent season this year, I agree we forget about these past performances. But I am still waiting on Simms to show me something to earn my confidence in him.
While I think it is great Dooley said Simms has made big strides since the Spring, I don't think it justifies some of the negative things I've heard about Bray on this thread. I'm not saying, "Bray definitely has never smoked weed" or "He is the hardest worker on the team", but until somebody can back it up, I am afraid they are rumors in every shape and form. On the field performance for both quarterbacks are not rumors, and I think Bray is winning that battle.
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Will you ***** this much when Simms gets the starting job.
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PeytonBerry said:
You proved my point right there. How is it "known." You nor anyone else can back that up. It may be true or it may not be true, but you have absolutely nothing to back up that claim. Please direct me to your source.
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Here read this and you will see there are others that have seen this.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/3805957-post13.html

Nobody is saying that Bray will not be good but he is just not the guy today.

My source is seeing it with my eyes, What is your source?
 
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Not if he can show me something different. If my fears are legitimate you will be right there with me. I don't thinking I am *****ing. I am communicating some real concerns. If you disagree with me, why don't you give me some reasons or evidence to enlighten my understanding.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
Not if he can show me something different. If my fears are legitimate you will be right there with me. I don't thinking I am *****ing. I am communicating some real concerns. If you disagree with me, why don't you give me some reasons or evidence to enlighten my understanding.
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Just did, now who is your source?
 
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PeytonBerry said:
You proved my point right there. How is it "known." You nor anyone else can back that up. It may be true or it may not be true, but you have absolutely nothing to back up that claim. Please direct me to your source.
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A poster had said he saw a weight lifting session with Wylie and Bray was not as focused on the workout. Something along those lines. I honestly don't care Bray looked better in the OW but he had more talent on his line. We'll see I guess. I think Simms starts the OR game because he's had more snaps at a collegiate level and no other reason.
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Section N Row 5 said:
Just did, now who is your source?
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Good for you, seriously. That is the first time anyone has given me anything to support their claim.

With that said, let's not make this more than what it is. One guy on a message board said he saw the team work out and Tyler looked lazy. IMO that sounds more like a rumor. I'm not saying he is lying either. Rumors aren't necessarily false by any means, but they are not always 100% reliable. I still say the comparison in performance since coming to UT per the three scrimmages is a better indicator.

What source are looking for from me? Stats from scrimmages, articles from Louisville, positive reports about Bray from coaches or players? I don't know what I have said that I can not back up, but let me know.
 
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