PS4 VS Xbox720

[SmokeyVol]

It is the future of gaming.

 

[TheDeeble]

If it's steam I won't be purchasing any games online.

They f'd up my account a few years back. I had purchased several games(The Orange Box, Half Life 2 Ep 1 and 2, previous Call of Duty's, Portal 2, and a few others). One day I tried to log in to steam and my account was gone. Couldn't access anything. Didn't even recognize my account name.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I'm a current PS3 player and will definitely get the PS4. I've just always been a fan of the Playstation platform and the excluisve games that it provides.

I MIGHT get the next Xbox but only if the following happens...

1.) MS shows a real commitment to strengthening their in-house development infastructure and provide a better selection of exclusively developed games. And no I DON'T mean Kinect shovelware or XBLA titles! I mean real console-defining gaming experiences that I can't get anywhere else. They need to show better dedication to satisfying the core gamer. Halo, Forza, and Gears of War are nice and all but I wan't more than this and MS' reliance on 3rd party titles isn't enough because I can play those games on either PS4 or PC.

2.) With Live, MS needs to find a way to offer online play for free. If they want to charge for a "Gold" membership that allows for all the extra fluff that's fine. However at this point it's absolutely ridiculous that they are charging you to play multi player, use Netflix, etc when you can do this absolutley free on PSN and other services.

3.) Create a reliable system that doesn't break down.

 

[BearCat204]

2.) With Live, MS needs to find a way to offer online play for free. If they want to charge for a "Gold" membership that allows for all the extra fluff that's fine. However at this point it's absolutely ridiculous that they are charging you to play multi player, use Netflix, etc when you can do this absolutley free on PSN and other services.

3.) Create a reliable system that doesn't break down.

2) Its just about a definitethat Sony will be charging for it with the next-gen console...........they would actually be ignorant not to.


3) The xbox systems built after 2008 have a very low failure rate and I think they have learned their lesson with this gen.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

2) Its just about a definitethat Sony will be charging for it with the next-gen console...........they would actually be ignorant not to.

Disagree. Free online has been too much of a selling point for PS3 and I don't think Sony will change that with PS4. I believe they will continue to offer their PS+ subscription which of course is a paid subscription but for basic online playability, I really doubt Sony will charge for this and neither should MS.

3) The xbox systems built after 2008 have a very low failure rate and I think they have learned their lesson with this gen.

Oh I know the newer systems are fine. I just meant if I am going to get a launch system, MS had better not screw up like they did with the launch 360's. Like you said, hopefully they have learned their lesson.

 

[BearCat204]

Disagree. Free online has been too much of a selling point for PS3 and I don't think Sony will change that with PS4. I believe they will continue to offer their PS+ subscription which of course is a paid subscription but for basic online playability, I really doubt Sony will charge for this.

On the side of Sony, they know that they are missing out on a huge chunk of revenue generated by online capability and server maintenance. On the side of the gamer, I want a online service that is much better than what PS offers now and is much more stable like Live......the reason that Live is better???? They have the money to constantly upgrade and maintain their service.

 

[MG1968]

Disagree. Free online has been too much of a selling point for PS3 and I don't think Sony will change that with PS4. I believe they will continue to offer their PS+ subscription which of course is a paid subscription but for basic online playability, I really doubt Sony will charge for this and neither should MS.



Oh I know the newer systems are fine. I just meant if I am going to get a launch system, MS had better not screw up like they did with the launch 360's. Like you said, hopefully they have learned their lesson.

1. you get what you pay for. Sony's online component has been playing catch up to Xbox live since the original xbox and PS2 came on the scene. Who cares if you can surf the web or watch netflix if the gaming aspect of it sucks?

 

[Brave Volunteer]

1. you get what you pay for. Sony's online component has been playing catch up to Xbox live since the original xbox and PS2 came on the scene. Who cares if you can surf the web or watch netflix if the gaming aspect of it sucks?

Sorry but that is just bull****. The whole "you get what you pay for" is a ridiculous argument. The basic concept of loading a game and then connecting to play multiplayer is no different on PSN than it is on Live. It's the SAME thing. The online feaures that Live has that PSN is missing such as cross game chat, party chat, etc has NOTHING to do with the fact that MS charges and Sony doesn't. It's simply a hardware memory issue that the PS3 cannot overcome. Plus I'm not sure what you mean about watching Netflix. My point is that you can watch Netflix on PS3 at no additional charge. You can't on Live. I'm not saying don't offer a paid package that gives you incentives. However for the basic ability to play multi-player titles, that should not be something players should have to pay for. You pay for a game, you pay for internet, you should NOT have to pay to play online.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

On the side of Sony, they know that they are missing out on a huge chunk of revenue generated by online capability and server maintenance. On the side of the gamer, I want a online service that is much better than what PS offers now and is much more stable like Live......the reason that Live is better???? They have the money to constantly upgrade and maintain their service.

Sorry but how is online gaming less stable on PS3? I hear this argument from Xbox players all the time but frankly I don't get it. I connect and play online all the time on my PS3 and never have any problems. Have I lost connection from time to time? Sure but you're telling me that Live users NEVER lose connection?

 

[bleedorange0037]

Sorry but how is online gaming less stable on PS3? I hear this argument from Xbox players all the time but frankly I don't get it. I connect and play online all the time on my PS3 and never have any problems. Have I lost connection from time to time? Sure but you're telling me that Live users NEVER lose connection?

Two years ago PSN was compromised and took nearly a month to secure everyone's information and get it back online. I can't recall XBL being down for more than a couple of hours and I've been playing on it since Halo was first released (2004 I think).

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Two years ago PSN was compromised and took nearly a month to secure everyone's information and get it back online. I can't recall XBL being down for more than a couple of hours and I've been playing on it since Halo was first released (2004 I think).

And you think that happened because Sony doesnt charge for online play? Systems get hacked all the time. Systems with far greater security measures than PSN get hacked. Live could still get hacked.

 

[TheDeeble]

When I used to play ps3 online a lot, I never had problems.

Mostly play xbox now, but that's only because that's what some of my friends have.

 

[MG1968]

And you think that happened because Sony doesnt charge for online play? Systems get hacked all the time. Systems with far greater security measures than PSN get hacked. Live could still get hacked.

all this over what amounts to $5/month, that's less than a pack of cigarettes, less than two gallons of gas, less than a Big Mac extra value meal, etc.

but no, XBL should be free because some people are just too damn lazy and want what they want handed to them

 

[bleedorange0037]

all this over what amounts to $5/month, that's less than a pack of cigarettes, less than two gallons of gas, less than a Big Mac extra value meal, etc.

but no, XBL should be free because some people are just too damn lazy and want what they want handed to them

I don't think it's people being lazy, but maybe just being cheap. The funny thing is, Sony probably made up in lost revenue from "free" online service by just charging $200 more for their console when it launched. I usually keep an eye out for XBL deals throughout the year and pick up a card when somebody has a good sale. I think only once have I paid more than $30ish for a year of XBL. So if somebody paid $200 more for a PS3 at launch because of free online play, over the course of it's 6 year life cycle, I've had vastly superior online service that I pay for with Live, and I'm still ahead of them on money.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

I don't think it's people being lazy, but maybe just being cheap. The funny thing is, Sony probably made up in lost revenue from "free" online service by just charging $200 more for their console when it launched. I usually keep an eye out for XBL deals throughout the year and pick up a card when somebody has a good sale. I think only once have I paid more than $30ish for a year of XBL. So if somebody paid $200 more for a PS3 at launch because of free online play, over the course of it's 6 year life cycle, I've had vastly superior online service that I pay for with Live, and I'm still ahead of them on money.

That argument isn't valid because the PS3 has a blu-ray drive. If you wanted to watch blu-ray movies you'd have to shell out extra $$. At the time of the launch a $200 blu-ray player was relatively low end whereas the PS3 blu-ray drive was relatively higher end.

I'll still never get the whole "mine is better than yours" when concerning these consoles. As an owner of both I tend to favor the PS3 simply because you get free Netflix, Hulu Plus, MLB TV, etc. services (w/subscriptions) and online gaming. Stating that Live is vastly superior is laughable. Neither system has an advantage on connectivity anymore. They both lag at times and both disconnect at times (although neither do very often). I have more trouble out of the game servers than I do the console networks.

The XBOX does the little things better IMO. Party chat, in game messages, more cussing 12yr olds(oh wait, that's a negative), the dashboard.

Now Gold vs PS+. PS+ by a long shot. Instant game collection (many free games), cloud storage(I think Gold members have this as well??), and my favorite, full game demos for 1 hour.


Anyway, I'm glad the new consoles will be x86 based CPUs. I'm a much bigger fan of PC gaming so now maybe ports will be optimized a lot better.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

all this over what amounts to $5/month, that's less than a pack of cigarettes, less than two gallons of gas, less than a Big Mac extra value meal, etc.

but no, XBL should be free because some people are just too damn lazy and want what they want handed to them

So you'd be OK with someone extorting 5.00 from you each month? Hey it's only 5.00. I'm sure you can afford it.

It's not the amount that matters. It's the principle. MS is extorting money from their Live users for the "privilege" of using features that are absolutely free on pretty much every other service. Forget online play. Paying to use Netflix, You Tube, Hulu, Crackle, etc when PS3, PC, smart TV, and pretty much every mobile device allows you to use it for free? Ridiculous!

Now as I said, Live DOES do certain things that PSN can't such as cross game chat and party chat. However like I said, that's due to a memory issue that PS3 just cannot overcome.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

That argument isn't valid because the PS3 has a blu-ray drive. If you wanted to watch blu-ray movies you'd have to shell out extra $$. At the time of the launch a $200 blu-ray player was relatively low end whereas the PS3 blu-ray drive was relatively higher end.

I'll still never get the whole "mine is better than yours" when concerning these consoles. As an owner of both I tend to favor the PS3 simply because you get free Netflix, Hulu Plus, MLB TV, etc. services (w/subscriptions) and online gaming. Stating that Live is vastly superior is laughable. Neither system has an advantage on connectivity anymore. They both lag at times and both disconnect at times (although neither do very often). I have more trouble out of the game servers than I do the console networks.

The XBOX does the little things better IMO. Party chat, in game messages, more cussing 12yr olds(oh wait, that's a negative), the dashboard.

Now Gold vs PS+. PS+ by a long shot. Instant game collection (many free games), cloud storage(I think Gold members have this as well??), and my favorite, full game demos for 1 hour.


Anyway, I'm glad the new consoles will be x86 based CPUs. I'm a much bigger fan of PC gaming so now maybe ports will be optimized a lot better.

Well said!! PS+ is an amazing service! The perks are unbelievable! You didn't even mention all the free games PS+ subscribers get to play! Since I've been a Plus subscriber I have Virtua Fighter 5, Little Big Planet 2, Infamous 2, Bioshock 2, Street Fighter IV, Borderlands, Saint's Row, etc all free with my subscription! You cannot beat that value! Oh and by the way, Demon's Souls will be available for free download to PS Plus subscribers tonight. At this point it is absolutely laughable at the value that is offered through PS Plus compared to Live!

 

[bleedorange0037]

So you'd be OK with someone extorting 5.00 from you each month? Hey it's only 5.00. I'm sure you can afford it.

It's not the amount that matters. It's the principle. MS is extorting money from their Live users for the "privilege" of using features that are absolutely free on pretty much every other service. Forget online play. Paying to use Netflix, You Tube, Hulu, Crackle, etc when PS3, PC, smart TV, and mobile device allows you to use it for free? Ridiculous!

Now as I said, Live DOES do certain things that PSN can't such as cross game chat and party chat. However like I said, that's due to a memory issue that PS3 just cannot overcome.

This alone is worth the price of admission on XBL.

As for your comment about MS extorting money from their customers, you've posted a strong contender for dumbest post of the year. Are At&T, Comcast, etc. extorting money from their customers by making them (GASP!) pay for the internet? If you offer a service that is head and shoulders better than somebody else's, why shouldn't you receive some compensation for it? The market has very clearly proven that it will support a company charging for a subscription to an online gaming service, so with that knowledge in mind, should MS still just want to give it away as an act of charity?

 

[Brave Volunteer]

This alone is worth the price of admission on XBL.

As for your comment about MS extorting money from their customers, you've posted a strong contender for dumbest post of the year. Are At&T, Comcast, etc. extorting money from their customers by making them (GASP!) pay for the internet? If you offer a service that is head and shoulders better than somebody else's, why shouldn't you receive some compensation for it? The market has very clearly proven that it will support a company charging for a subscription to an online gaming service, so with that knowledge in mind, should MS still just want to give it away as an act of charity?

Your argument is flawed by trying to compare Live to Comcast or ATT&T. Of COURSE you pay for an internet connection! They are the ones PROVIDING it! LOL! No one is arguing free internet. The point is that we already pay for internet. It's ridiculous to be asked to pay AGAIN on top of your internet service.

Live users absolutely baffle me! Here I am arguing on your behalf that MS should not make you pay for your Live subscription and you're like "YES THEY SHOULD DAMNIT!!!" lol: As if it angers you at the thought of not giving money to MS for what amounts to nothing more than a ghost charge.

As far as Live being "head and shoulders" above everything else, you are in complete denial. That may have been true back 2007 but things have changed and in 2013 that is simply not the case anymore. As I have said over and over, cross game chat/party chat has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that MS charges for Live. If the PS3 had the memory to do, it would do it and they would not be charging for the ability. PS Vita does it right now at no charge and you can bet that PS4 will too. MS needs to change their Live subscription packages and at least offer a bare bones package that allows users to play online without charge.

 

[bleedorange0037]

Your argument is flawed by trying to compare Live to Comcast or ATT&T. Of COURSE you pay for an internet connection! They are the ones PROVIDING it! LOL! No one is arguing free internet. The point is that we already pay for internet. It's ridiculous to be asked to pay AGAIN on top of your internet service.

Live users absolutely baffle me! Here I am arguing on your behalf that MS should not make you pay for your Live subscription and you're like "YES THEY SHOULD DAMNIT!!!" lol: As if it angers you at the thought of not giving money to MS for what amounts to nothing more than a ghost charge.

As far as Live being "head and shoulders" above everything else, you are in complete denial. That may have been true back 2007 but things have changed and in 2013 that is simply not the case anymore. As I have said over and over, cross game chat/party chat has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that MS charges for Live. If the PS3 had the memory to do, it would do it and they would not be charging for the ability. PS Vita does it right now at no charge and you can bet that PS4 will too. MS needs to change Live subscription packages and at least off a bare bones package that allows users to play online without charge.

Like I said, party chat alone is worth the cost of the subscription to me. Considering that XBL is the only one that offers that service, IMO that puts it head and shoulders above anything else. Others may not agree, and are certainly entitled to their opinion. To say that asking users to pay for XBL is "extortion" is just plain stupid. Every single person who buys and Xbox knows full well that they will also have to pay for XBL. It might be different if the marketed the console as having free online play, and then instead charged a fee. That's not the case though.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Like I said, party chat alone is worth the cost of the subscription to me. Considering that XBL is the only one that offers that service, IMO that puts it head and shoulders above anything else. Others may not agree, and are certainly entitled to their opinion. To say that asking users to pay for XBL is "extortion" is just plain stupid. Every single person who buys and Xbox knows full well that they will also have to pay for XBL. It might be different if the marketed the console as having free online play, and then instead charged a fee. That's not the case though.

OK "extortion" may not be the best description but still. Like I said, MS could still have a more incentive based Gold subscription that charges you. Heck they could even include X-game chat/party chat in that package. But I still maintain that for the basic ability of connecting online and playing multiplayer, MS should not make Live users pay for that. What are they going to do next gen when all of their perceived network advantages disappear? The PS4 will match next gen Xbox's network capabilities feature for feature and I guarantee you they will not charge users to play online. They will continue to offer their incentive based PS Plus option (which I will get because the value is ubelievable) but basic online capability will remain free.

 

[SWIL]

OK "extortion" may not be the best description but still. Like I said, MS could still have a more incentive based Gold subscription that charges you. Heck they could even include X-game chat/party chat in that package. But I still maintain that for the basic ability of connecting online and playing multiplayer, MS should not make Live users pay for that. What are they going to do next gen when all of their perceived network advantages disappear? The PS4 will match next gen Xbox's network capabilities feature for feature and I guarantee you they will not charge users to play online. They will continue to offer their incentive based PS Plus option (which I will get because the value is ubelievable) but basic online capability will remain free.

If they are truly able to do this without charging a monthly fee, then they will make a compelling case to be the console of choice.

I remain skeptical of this claim. And, personal preferences aside, Sony cannot claim to have the better online services currently.

XBL is superior in every way *currently*.

 

[thehardknoxlife]

XBL is superior in every way *currently*.

Only if you're a fan boy. I used to believe this exact statement until I compared them. There is little to no difference as far as connectivity is concerned. Like I said before, game servers are more of a problem than the console networks. Also, like I stated earlier PS+ is much much better than XBL Gold, so there's that. I'm not biased towards either system but the PS3 is honestly the better buy when you compare them side by side. You get all the stuff you have to pay for on XBL for free on PSN, you get a blu-ray player, much much better benefits for member subscriptions(PS+), better exclusive titles, which leads to the following and the most important reason, MLB The Show is only on PS.

 

[SWIL]

Not here to change anyone's mind, just calling it like I see it =)

agree to disagree I guess

 

[SmokeyVol]

Not here to change anyone's mind, just calling it like I see it =)

agree to disagree I guess

100% agree on both statements.