Pruitt vs chip kelly

[landscapingvol]

I'll go with Pruitt on this one. I think Mora left Chip a better stable than what Butch left his predecessor. I figured UCLA would take a step back, but like us, they should be a little better in year two. But maybe that is just the ugly truth that flipping culture and a new philosophy takes longer than we are willing to wait.

What “philosophy” are we implementing that loses to Georgia State and looks worse in year two?

 

[05_never_again]

I'd much rather have Pruitt. Not to say that I know whether Pruitt will be successful or not, but he has a blueprint that has worked successfully in the past (strong recruiting, great player development).

The problem with Chip Kelly is that his success at Oregon basically came down to a few magical factors:

(a) inheriting a great situation from Mike Bellotti, including a strong staff that he could lean on,
(b) out-scheming opponents with an innovative offense that defenses weren't prepared for,
(c) recruiting underrated talent with speed, but still getting a reasonable enough share of talent so they were ranked in the 20s in the recruiting rankings,
(d) having Nike's big money to help lure in recruits

He doesn't have any of those elements at UCLA. He does, however, have a much better recruiting footprint in his backyard, but Kelly has always been a terrible recruiter, so this advantage is being completely squandered. And now, every team in the country is prepared for his "innovative offense", because they've recruited and developed players for years to stop those types of offenses (whereas, they were caught completely off-guard in the early 10s).

Kelly doesn't get the advantage of inheriting Bellotti's staff this time around, which quite honestly, was comparable to the staff Fulmer inherited from Johnny Majors. Bellotti was excellent at building up that program over the long-run. Kelly was a short-term guy who could take what he got from Bellotti and get even more out of it, but couldn't replicate what Bellotti did.

Chip Kelly's record at Oregon was phenomenal, but I've said this 2 years ago when everyone wanted to hire him: he's the most overrated coach in college football. I was praying that Florida would get him, because we'd be 4-0 against a Chip Kelly coached Florida team.

I agree with everything except that last part. A Chip Kelly Florida team would still look like a national title contender only the week they played us. It's just fate at this point.

Some people appear to be baffled at Kelly's struggles in Philly, San Francisco, and now with UCLA. I think what those folks don't understand or appreciate is that Kelly has never built anything. You are correct in that what he did at Oregon is very similar to what Fulmer did at Tennessee - inherit a solid program and take it to new heights. Perhaps Kelly is ill-suited for rebuilding or starting something from scratch. Plus, everybody runs some version of his offense now it seems like.

 

[oheron16]

Kelly had previous head coaching experience unlike Pruitt, so more was expected of Chip, CP is
getting on the job training but getting in good players - so he may win the cupie doll between the two.
I hope within the next few weeks we aren't looking at these two as a comparison between the Hindenburg and
the Titanic!

 

[jakez4ut]

I feel like the offense is a good QB away from being good, not great, but good enough. It’s funny you mention our schedule and how a couple of early losses have changed a lot of our perspectives on it. It appeared to be a more favorable schedule than what we’ve had in years past before the season started. 100% agree on the “wait and see” mode. I was all in with Pruitt last year and these last two weeks have made me take a step back.

I want to say this is a great week to get a little confidence back, get some pep in our step for Florida but they have to want to. Lord knows we need to get some before going to The Swamp next weekend. Only upside I see to that is it’s a noon game, might be able to catch them sleeping if we come ready to play.

it worked against Auburn last year.

i'm not out on Pruitt or this staff. i simply can't comprehend yet that this gropu of coaches is destined to epically fail.

every one of these coaches has the experience, results, player history etc...that says they should be successful.

aside from how they treated the GSU game, which was a gigantic error, i don't think the BYU game was a coaching fail. i do think that had a lot more to do with massive player mistakes and execution issues.

i'm still willing to ride this out with this staff, but the problem with that is you're counting on the recruiting to really help get us/them there.

and if this season really tanks..........that could be a problem.

anyway, i've said for a while, that i think this rebuild is a bigger project than many here thought it would be. all this season is telling me is that it actually might be longer than i thought too.

 

[GTBATV]

What “philosophy” are we implementing that loses to Georgia State and looks worse in year two?

I'll agree with Chris Low's take on that game. They treated it like a scrimmage and got beat. Unprepared plain and simple. The coaches and the players did a lot of what we asked them to. There was more energy, more effort, more focus, but still mistakes. A few timeouts because the same defensive player was lining up wrong, bad QB play, and a busted coverage at the end of the game. I'm not one of the coaches, so I have no idea of what kind of philosophy they are trying to implement. But I'm going to take an imaginative leap and assume it is much different than the last coaching staff.

 

[Vol$_Deep_11_9]

it worked against Auburn last year.

i'm not out on Pruitt or this staff. i simply can't comprehend yet that this gropu of coaches is destined to epically fail.

every one of these coaches has the experience, results, player history etc...that says they should be successful.

aside from how they treated the GSU game, which was a gigantic error, i don't think the BYU game was a coaching fail. i do think that had a lot more to do with massive player mistakes and execution issues.

i'm still willing to ride this out with this staff, but the problem with that is you're counting on the recruiting to really help get us/them there.

and if this season really tanks..........that could be a problem.

anyway, i've said for a while, that i think this rebuild is a bigger project than many here thought it would be. all this season is telling me is that it actually might be longer than i thought too.

The BYU game literally was lost in the final minute or two. All we needed was one first down and it was finished. The punt and having them pinned 9/10 times it works. Just blows my mind that Taylor lost the man in coverage knowing the situation.

Agreed with riding it out with the staff. We have a great staff IMO. They have to keep the guys invested though and that’s hard to do after two tough losses. I think that’s why we are seeing a lot more of the young guys play which is a good thing IMO. I just want to see a W in the win column this week, even though it shouldn’t be, I really don’t care at this point if it’s by 1,10, or 30. Just get that W and play halfway decent in all 3 phases of the game and go to Florida with a bit of confidence.

 

[landscapingvol]

it worked against Auburn last year.

i'm not out on Pruitt or this staff. i simply can't comprehend yet that this gropu of coaches is destined to epically fail.

every one of these coaches has the experience, results, player history etc...that says they should be successful.

aside from how they treated the GSU game, which was a gigantic error, i don't think the BYU game was a coaching fail. i do think that had a lot more to do with massive player mistakes and execution issues.

i'm still willing to ride this out with this staff, but the problem with that is you're counting on the recruiting to really help get us/them there.

and if this season really tanks..........that could be a problem.

anyway, i've said for a while, that i think this rebuild is a bigger project than many here thought it would be. all this season is telling me is that it actually might be longer than i thought too.

Rocker was out of coaching, Martin was terrible as an OC, Ansley has never been a coordinator, Friend has been less than stellar, Weinke is an unknown commodity, Sherrer was demoted, and Pruitt has never been a head coach. The only staff member with a sustained level of success in his position is Chaney. I don’t get the infatuation with this staff

 

[jakez4ut]

The BYU game literally was lost in the final minute or two. All we needed was one first down and it was finished. The punt and having them pinned 9/10 times it works. Just blows my mind that Taylor lost the man in coverage knowing the situation.

Agreed with riding it out with the staff. We have a great staff IMO. They have to keep the guys invested though and that’s hard to do after two tough losses. I think that’s why we are seeing a lot more of the young guys play which is a good thing IMO. I just want to see a W in the win column this week, even though it shouldn’t be, I really don’t care at this point if it’s by 1,10, or 30. Just get that W and play halfway decent in all 3 phases of the game and go to Florida with a bit of confidence.

there were opportunities in that game last week that could have lead to a 3 TD beat down, and it never would have come down to "a play" at the end.

but yeah, we had the game won, and two guys that we should be able to count on in situations like that, taylor and warrior, both made catastrophic errors.

i think we'll win tomorrow. can't even tell you how or whatever, but i'll be paying attention to demeanor more than anything. it's going to be hard to manufacture confidence for the next month's worth of games, no matter what happens tomorrow. but if there's any chance at finding any, they need to start tomorrow.

at this point, they're going to have do a whole lot of things that nobody thinks they are anywhere near capable of doing to salvage this season in any way, shape or form.

at some point, you'd think they'd just be pissed off and be ready to punch someone in the mouth.

Missour, VAndy, GSU, and BYU.................can't find a reason to get motivated????? ugh.

 

[jakez4ut]

Rocker was out of coaching, Martin was terrible as an OC, Ansley has never been a coordinator, Friend has been less than stellar, Weinke is an unknown commodity, Sherrer was demoted, and Pruitt has never been a head coach. The only staff member with a sustained level of success in his position is Chaney. I don’t get the infatuation with this staff

Friend was widely considered a good OC and very good OL coach. Martin is widely considered a very good WR coach and recruiter. Weinke comes in with an NFL resume coaching QB's and offensive position coach. Ansley has been widely considered a very good DB coach and great recruiter.... Sherrer, despite the deomtion (only to make room for Ansley btw) is very well respected as a defensive position coach and good recruiter..players love that guy. David Johnson has an excellent reputation as an offensive postion coach and good recruiter. Neids is reigning recruiter of the year.

there is NOBODY that was complaining when they put this staff together. nobody.

0-2 provides the opportunity to push narratives, and that's fine, i get that.

but anyone calling this staff lame now is doing so purely on revisionist history.

 

[landscapingvol]

I'll agree with Chris Low's take on that game. They treated it like a scrimmage and got beat. Unprepared plain and simple. The coaches and the players did a lot of what we asked them to. There was more energy, more effort, more focus, but still mistakes. A few timeouts because the same defensive player was lining up wrong, bad QB play, and a busted coverage at the end of the game. I'm not one of the coaches, so I have no idea of what kind of philosophy they are trying to implement. But I'm going to take an imaginative leap and assume it is much different than the last coaching staff.

I would agree with you had we not been embarrassed by Vanderbilt and Missouri at the end of last season. No other major football program gauges success similar to a 12 year old rec football team except UT. We are now celebrating success based on lining up correctly and hustling. Some of those same players have been at the collegiate level for three years. It is time to move on from them

 

[jakez4ut]

I would agree with you had we not been embarrassed by Vanderbilt and Missouri at the end of last season. No other major football program gauges success similar to a 12 year old rec football team except UT. We are now celebrating success based on lining up correctly and hustling. Some of those same players have been at the collegiate level for three years. It is time to move on from them

agree.

 

[GTBATV]

I would agree with you had we not been embarrassed by Vanderbilt and Missouri at the end of last season. No other major football program gauges success similar to a 12 year old rec football team except UT. We are now celebrating success based on lining up correctly and hustling. Some of those same players have been at the collegiate level for three years. It is time to move on from them

Yep. It's hard for me to understand how they are still being corrected in practice to line up correctly. That's why it's hard for me to put all the blame on the coaches. They are showing them over and over how to play a base defense. I haven't been in the backfield for 20 years, but I could still remember where I am supposed to be depending on what gap I am supposed to hit.

 

[tnburban]

It is shocking, absolutely shocking, how they can be recruiting that poorly. USC too.

I was out there 3 years ago with my daughter on a campus visit. Their facilities were crap compared to UT and most other SEC schools. Other than the weather, not a great place to hang your hat for 4 years.

 

[landscapingvol]

Friend was widely considered a good OC and very good OL coach. Martin is widely considered a very good WR coach and recruiter. Weinke comes in with an NFL resume coaching QB's and offensive position coach. Ansley has been widely considered a very good DB coach and great recruiter.... Sherrer, despite the deomtion (only to make room for Ansley btw) is very well respected as a defensive position coach and good recruiter..players love that guy. David Johnson has an excellent reputation as an offensive postion coach and good recruiter. Neids is reigning recruiter of the year.

there is NOBODY that was complaining when they put this staff together. nobody.

0-2 provides the opportunity to push narratives, and that's fine, i get that.

but anyone calling this staff lame now is doing so purely on revisionist history.

Friend was pushed out at UGA as an oline coach , Martin was anything but great at USC and was replaced, neither Sherrer nor Ansley have ever been a coordinator, Rocker was out of coaching, and Weinke was a qb coach in the NFL who took a non coaching role at Alabama. It is true that Ansley, Sherrer, and Pruitt were great position coaches but there is a huge difference between a position coach and a coordinator/head coach. Many good position coaches have failed as coordinators, this staff has a lot to prove as coordinators.

 

[Doctrippin]

It is shocking, absolutely shocking, how they can be recruiting that poorly. USC too.

PAC 12 becoming irrelevant in the Power 5

 

[DaUndergroundMan]

Can you polish a turd? Asking for a friend...lol

Myth busters took this one on. They got 'em pretty darn shiny.

 

[jakez4ut]

Friend was pushed out at UGA as an oline coach , Martin was anything but great at USC and was replaced, neither Sherrer nor Ansley have ever been a coordinator, Rocker was out of coaching, and Weinke was a qb coach in the NFL who took a non coaching role at Alabama. It is true that Ansley, Sherrer, and Pruitt were great position coaches but there is a huge difference between a position coach and a coordinator/head coach. Many good position coaches have failed as coordinators, this staff has a lot to prove as coordinators.

i don't think anyone disagrees with the notion that htere's a difference from position, to cooridnator, to hc.

do you agree or disagree that that nobody was complaining about this staff when it was put together? i'd go on to say that the majority were really excited about the prospects this staff had. i seem to remember a lot of comparisions to what CBJ referred to as BSIA, and it being construed as this staff is what BSIA looks like.

as per usual, the record is indefensible. the error in the game plan against GSU is indefensible.

but this staff as it's constructed right now does actualy have a provent track record when it comes to actually acheiving things....they send players to the NFL...they've won conference and national championships...they have SEC and NFL excperience.

anyway......we're 0-2. this is what happens when you suck. i get it. and i can't defend it except to say that on paper, this staff should be successful. they haven't been. hoping that i can put a "yet" on the end of that statement and mean it........and not because i'm a pruitt fanboy.....it would just be a whole lot better for this program that the coach we currently have NOT suck out loud again.

starting over again, at this point, i think sets us even further back. i think this staff is one that may just have to develop players and add blue chips where they can, and it'll be year 4 or 5 before they have enough depth across the roster, but especially along the line of scrimmage, to really compete in the SEC.

get tot the end of year four and see what we got.

there are no good options right now....i feel confident in saying that....it's all an unknown going forward. will this staff get better? could we bring in better and get better faster?

 

[Hacksaw]

Pruitt sucks a little less than Kelly. Finally! Something to celebrate!

 

[landscapingvol]

i don't think anyone disagrees with the notion that htere's a difference from position, to cooridnator, to hc.

do you agree or disagree that that nobody was complaining about this staff when it was put together? i'd go on to say that the majority were really excited about the prospects this staff had. i seem to remember a lot of comparisions to what CBJ referred to as BSIA, and it being construed as this staff is what BSIA looks like.

as per usual, the record is indefensible. the error in the game plan against GSU is indefensible.

but this staff as it's constructed right now does actualy have a provent track record when it comes to actually acheiving things....they send players to the NFL...they've won conference and national championships...they have SEC and NFL excperience.

anyway......we're 0-2. this is what happens when you suck. i get it. and i can't defend it except to say that on paper, this staff should be successful. they haven't been. hoping that i can put a "yet" on the end of that statement and mean it........and not because i'm a pruitt fanboy.....it would just be a whole lot better for this program that the coach we currently have NOT suck out loud again.

starting over again, at this point, i think sets us even further back. i think this staff is one that may just have to develop players and add blue chips where they can, and it'll be year 4 or 5 before they have enough depth across the roster, but especially along the line of scrimmage, to really compete in the SEC.

get tot the end of year four and see what we got.

there are no good options right now....i feel confident in saying that....it's all an unknown going forward. will this staff get better? could we bring in better and get better faster?

No I was not excited about bringing Rocker or Friend onto the staff with Weinke coaching rb’s. I agree there is nothing we can do but hope for the best but this notion that we are reaching our maximum potential must be true because our staff is infallible is nonsense. They have shown next to nothing as a staff. Ansley, Sherrer, Pruitt, Rocker, and Friend have far more questions than answers

 

[BeecherVol]

I seem to remember some pushing for Sumlin and Strong around that same time.

For another comparison.

 

[05_never_again]

Friend was widely considered a good OC and very good OL coach. Martin is widely considered a very good WR coach and recruiter. Weinke comes in with an NFL resume coaching QB's and offensive position coach. Ansley has been widely considered a very good DB coach and great recruiter.... Sherrer, despite the deomtion (only to make room for Ansley btw) is very well respected as a defensive position coach and good recruiter..players love that guy. David Johnson has an excellent reputation as an offensive postion coach and good recruiter. Neids is reigning recruiter of the year.

there is NOBODY that was complaining when they put this staff together. nobody.

0-2 provides the opportunity to push narratives, and that's fine, i get that.

but anyone calling this staff lame now is doing so purely on revisionist history.

Yeah. The only questionable hire, IMO, was Helton at OC but as we know he was quickly dispatched and Chaney is a huge upgrade (although I don't rate him as highly as some seem to do). On paper, this is a very solid (and expensive) staff of assistants.

Revisionist history is what this fanbase does best, such as "I knew Butch was awful when he lost that first year to Vandy" or "I never liked Kiffin and knew he might leave" or "I never thought we should have fired Fulmer."

 

[Matt2496]

I think they're both in similar situations in that both have terrible QB's to work with.

Imo, it's a tossup between the two.

 

[05_never_again]

I seem to remember some pushing for Sumlin and Strong around that same time.

For another comparison.

Or Muschamp. Muschamp totally flamed out at Florida and might be fired by South Carolina after this year. Dude is the archetypal great coordinator, bad head coach. Unfortunately, we might have one of those too.

 

[Advol]

Why do we have to keep recycling Failed Coaches.......there is a LONG list = ALL have been discussed on here!
The comparison that needs to be made for new hires...……...Co-ordinators vs. Mid Level Head Coaches who are very successful

 

[jakez4ut]

No I was not excited about bringing Rocker or Friend onto the staff with Weinke coaching rb’s. I agree there is nothing we can do but hope for the best but this notion that we are reaching our maximum potential must be true because our staff is infallible is nonsense. They have shown next to nothing as a staff. Ansley, Sherrer, Pruitt, Rocker, and Friend have far more questions than answers

never said they were infalible. said on paper they should be good. they haven't been.

don't put words in my mouth....you wanna push a narrative, fine, leave me out of it.....

the one thing they have done well is recruit. they are bringing in the right kidn of players, just don't have enough of them, and most of of them are just young. this freshman class really is a good one.

need 2 or 3 more just like it, if not better.

will be hard to do that if we're sitting here in December with another losing record.