Pruitt "obviously" in trouble

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JMSqb11 said:
So your comparing a first time head coach to a guy who is in his 19th season? Wow
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Obviously, Pruitt is in over his head. But you did make it sound like a conference championship as a head coach is a requirement to be head coach here. I'm glad you feel that way. So if Pruitt is no longer coach soon then let's hire Malzahn. I'm sure you agree with that.
 
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Well I've learned one thing tonight. Mike Leach sucks.

So does Gus Malzahn and so does Hugh Freeze. We don't need coaches like that here at Tennessee. Have a good night everyone.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Trying to remember, how many conference title games was Mullen in before he went to Florida?
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Zero. However, he was former coach at Florida during two natty’s and a Heisman campaign developed by him. There’s a reason Leach wasn’t getting looks at big program openings, even the programs he was a former assistant at.

There’s a reason Leach was coach 15,000 on our list and Mullen was the first option.

Literally no comparison between Mullen and Leach. Mullen is drastically a better coach
 
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BeardedVol said:
If being an assistant coach on a team that won an NC, has some sort of transitive effect on that assistant becoming a good HC, then why is Pruitt so terrible as a HC?
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BeardedVol said:
If being an assistant coach on a team that won an NC, has some sort of transitive effect on that assistant becoming a good HC, then why is Pruitt so terrible as a HC?
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Offensively it makes a huge difference it today’s game. Take Mullen and Pruitt for example and their respective experience.

Mullen was always able to piece together an offense that could score points in Starkville.

Pruitt wanted a ground and pound offense that resembled something of the 90’s so he could have time to try to build a defense.

Any time going the coordinator route, I’m never fond of going with a DC. Because if they F up the offense while trying to build their defense, they are screwed. Atleast from Mullen’s perspective when starting in Starkville, he was able to build an offense out of paper mache those first 3 seasons to keep him in ball games because the offense is what scored points.


Lastly, your condescending post is par for the course with you. Mullen getting the Florida job based on his head coaching record at MSU and past job as an assistant at Florida (along with fact Scott S was AD at MSU and then UF) and Tennessee hiring Pruitt for his first time head coaching gig are nothing alike. But hey, anything to sh!t on Pruitt for a few likes right?

Only you could bring Pruitt into a Mullen v Leach debate


Guy lives rent free in your head apparently.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Zero. However, he was former coach at Florida during two natty’s and a Heisman campaign developed by him. There’s a reason Leach wasn’t getting looks at big program openings, even the programs he was a former assistant at.

There’s a reason Leach was coach 15,000 on our list and Mullen was the first option.

Literally no comparison between Mullen and Leach. Mullen is drastically a better coach
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I've seen no proof Mullen is a better coach than Leach but I think both are excellent coaches. But the same stupid argument used against Mullen is the one used against Leach. He didn't win any championships. You're using it too.

The only comparison that needs made is would Tennessee be better right now if they'd kept Leach rather than dumping him for Pruitt. All evidence says unquestionably they would. Leach in year one at Miss State with covid limited practice time and way less talent had a better season than Pruitt in year 3 here. Leach has never in my recollection had NCAA issues either.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Offensively it makes a huge difference it today’s game. Take Mullen and Pruitt for example and their respective experience.

Mullen was always able to piece together an offense that could score points in Starkville.

Pruitt wanted a ground and pound offense that resembled something of the 90’s so he could have time to try to build a defense.

Any time going the coordinator route, I’m never fond of going with a DC. Because if they F up the offense while trying to build their defense, they are screwed. Atleast from Mullen’s perspective when starting in Starkville, he was able to build an offense out of paper mache those first 3 seasons to keep him in ball games because the offense is what scored points.


Lastly, your condescending post is par for the course with you. Mullen getting the Florida job based on his head coaching record and past job as an assistant at Florida and Tennessee hiring Pruitt for his first time head coaching gig are nothing alike. But hey, anything to sh!t on Pruitt for a few likes right?

Only you could bring Pruitt into a Mullen v Leach debate


Guy lives rent free in your head apparently.
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Nice dodge. Highly effective use of the "wall of text with no real content" method.

I'll ask again, if being an assistant on an NC team is supposed to make that assistant a better future HC, just from the association with that team, then why isn't Pruitt a better HC?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I've seen no proof Mullen is a better coach than Leach but I think both are excellent coaches. But the same stupid argument used against Mullen is the one used against Leach. He didn't win any championships. You're using it too.

The only comparison that needs made is would Tennessee be better right now if they'd kept Leach rather than dumping him for Pruitt. All evidence says unquestionably they would. Leach in year one at Miss State with covid limited practice time and way less talent had a better season than Pruitt in year 3 here. Leach has never in my recollection had NCAA issues either.
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Mullen literally coached in the conference title game tonight. He literally did something Leach has never done.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Nice dodge. Highly effective use of the "wall of text with no real content" method.

I'll ask again, if being an assistant on an NC team is supposed to make that assistant a better future HC, just from the association with that team, then why isn't Pruitt a better HC?
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Once again, read my post. I never said being an assistant at natty winning team led to success as head coach. I even went further into why you have to be careful on picking coordinators to coach and why I personally would never take a DC to be a head coach. Quit the mental gymnastics.

And for the love of God, Mullen was a head coach prior to getting the Florida job and after being an OC for the school he now works at. If you can’t understand the context of the debate, go to sleep or quit drinking and try to read the debate tomorrow.

Quit making up arguments because you want your voice to be heard for the sake of arguing.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Mullen literally coached in the conference title game tonight. He literally did something Leach has never done.
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At Florida. That's the context. Leach has been closer to conference titles at the lower tier schools he coached at than Mullen was at MSU. I'm not sure why anyone can think Mullen would be a good hire based on his decade at MSU and Leach a bad hire based on his very similar career rebuilding two schools over 19 years.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
At Florida. That's the context. Leach has been closer to conference titles at the lower tier schools he coached at than Mullen was at MSU. I'm not sure why anyone can think Mullen would be a good hire based on his decade at MSU and Leach a bad hire based on his very similar career rebuilding two schools over 19 years.
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So we can agree then that Leach has won nothing of magnitude then? Thanks!
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, read my post. I never said being an assistant at natty winning team led to success as head coach. I even went further into why you have to be careful on picking coordinators to coach and why I personally would never take a DC to be a head coach. Quit the mental gymnastics.

And for the love of God, Mullen was a head coach prior to getting the Florida job and after being an OC for the school he now works at. If you can’t understand the context of the debate, go to sleep or quit drinking and try to read the debate tomorrow.

Quit making up arguments because you want your voice to be heard for the sake of arguing.
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LOL..do you need me to go back and quote your posts so you can remind yourself of the inane argument that you're trying to defend?

"139-90 with zero appearances in conference title games."

"Zero. However, he was former coach at Florida during two natty’s and a Heisman campaign developed by him"
 
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BeardedVol said:
LOL..do you need me to go back and quote your posts so you can remind yourself of the inane argument that your trying to defend?

"139-90 with zero appearances in conference title games."

"Zero. However, he was former coach at Florida during two natty’s and a Heisman campaign developed by him"
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Sorry you need to be spoonfed the glaring, but omitted, fact that Mullen was a head coach for 9 years at Starkville between his time as OC at Florida and Head Coaching job he now holds at Florida.

If you can’t understand that context without having it had to be mentioned, you’re a real piece of work.

The way you are framing my words, it’s almost like Dan Mullen just disappeared off the map for 9 seasons and didn’t have any job in college football and went straight from OC to Head Coach at Florida. The way you took my words (your fault) is that Mullen only got the job at Florida because of his time as OC and not the 9 years he was a head coach in Starkville.

Thanks for showing you literally need everything spelled out and mentioned for you to understand a simple discussion.

I guess i have to ask, you were aware Mullen was a head coach in between his time at Florida as OC and HC right? Please tell me you knew that
 
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birdie74 said:
Sure wish there was a Tennessee man that we could hire. The journey would be more meaningful and the victories sweeter. When you “buy” an Urban, winning it all would seem tainted to me.... like the Yankees buying a championship or winning a title but knowing you cheated to get there. I’m probably in the minority with this opinion....
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I hear what you're saying, but outside of Harbaugh no coach is coaching at their alma mater. Do any of Alabama's or Ohio State's natty's feel tainted because their coach is an "outsider?" Every coach that wins anything is an "outsider" and a win is a win. Would you rather go 3-8 with a "Tennessee man" because it feels more meaningful, or compete for SEC titles and natty's with someone else?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
So we can agree then that Leach has won nothing of magnitude then? Thanks!
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You've apparently got a parrot in your pocket. Leach is top 10 in the nation in career coaching wins among active FBS coaches. 95 percent of college football coaches will never sniff 140 career wins. He owns the record for wins in a season at two different schools. Those are accomplishments of magnitude.

You apparently can't use any context and can only use championships at schools where championships are exceptionally rare as examples. Mullen had 0 at MSU where championships don't happen either but you don't apply that standard to him. Though I've no idea where you stood on him 3 years ago.

On another note, Leach's freshman QB looked incredible tonight dropping 300 yards and 3 tds in their win over a much improved Missouri. No one has coached as many highly productive college quarterbacks. Would have been great to have 3 years of that here. Hilariously his defense was better than Pruitt's this year too.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
You've apparently got a parrot in your pocket. Leach is top 10 in the nation in career coaching wins among active FBS coaches. 95 percent of college football coaches will never sniff 140 career wins. He owns the record for wins in a season at two different schools. Those are accomplishments of magnitude.

You apparently can't use any context and can only use championships at schools where championships are exceptionally rare as examples. Mullen had 0 at MSU where championships don't happen either but you don't apply that standard to him. Though I've no idea where you stood on him 3 years ago.

On another note, Leach's freshman QB looked incredible tonight dropping 300 yards and 3 tds in their win over a much improved Missouri. No one has coached as many highly productive college quarterbacks. Would have been great to have 3 years of that here. Hilariously his defense was better than Pruitt's this year too.
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Mullen is at his second head coaching gig and went to conference title game in year 3 and year 12 overall. Leach has never done that. But hey, congrats on setting records for wins in a year while not winning the division or conference.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Sorry you need to be spoonfed the glaring, but omitted, fact that Mullen was a head coach for 9 years at Starkville between his time as OC at Florida and Head Coaching job he now holds at Florida.

If you can’t understand that context without having it had to be mentioned, you’re a real piece of work.

The way you are framing my words, it’s almost like Dan Mullen just disappeared off the map for 9 seasons and didn’t have any job in college football and went straight from OC to Head Coach at Florida. The way you took my words (your fault) is that Mullen only got the job at Florida because of his time as OC and not the 9 years he was a head coach in Starkville.

Thanks for showing you literally need everything spelled out and mentioned for you to understand a simple discussion.

I guess i have to ask, you were aware Mullen was a head coach in between his time at Florida as OC and HC right? Please tell me you knew that
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What does Dan Mullen having 9 years of HC experience have to do with the fact that he didn't have a conference title game appearances in any of those 9 years?

You predicated you entire argument on Leach's lack of conference title game appearances, and then tried to argue that Mullen was somehow different, because he'd been an assistant on an NC winning team.

Is this just an elaborate attempt to back pedal, or have you really forgotten what you posted?
 
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BeardedVol said:
What does Dan Mullen having 9 years of HC experience have to do with the fact that he didn't have a conference title game appearances in any of those 9 years?

You predicated you entire argument on Leach's lack of conference title game appearances, and then tried to argue that Mullen was somehow different, because he'd been an assistant on an NC winning team.

Is this just an elaborate attempt to back pedal, or have you really forgotten what you posted?
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Actually my point was very clear. Mullen got a big time head coaching gig at a school he worked at previously as OC because of his record at a little program in big conference. Sadly for all of the greatness of Mike Leach, he’s never got a big job offer. Wonder why

Sadly, let’s not leave out the fact you obviously had to be told tonight that Mullen didn’t jump from OC to HC at Florida as you weren’t aware of him coaching at MSU for 9 years. But yes, please try to insert yourself into a discussion and do mental gymnastics because you had to be updated on a pretty well known fact that Mullen was a head coach for 9 years before Florida job. Get some sleep kid
 
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