Program coaching legends

#51
#51
BernardKingGOAT said:
I said he was a damn good coach. No one said anything about bad. It's not a binary choice. Silly last comment. If he is a legend to you that's cool, but he's not in the realm of college football outside of UT fans
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Except ESPN (who hates us) has him on their Top 150 list of all time...

And 1 of 2 (the '67 claim is dumb AF) coaches to have a NC at TN...
 
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#57
#57
WillisWG said:
I don't see Holtz as a legend. He's ND's version of Fulmer, both have a NC but both fall short of being legends.
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Holtz is drawing legend lingo because he spent a decent run at ND. But, he did have around 78% win rate and their only natty since the 70's. But, his personna and post career in the press box has elevated his on field achievements. He had plenty of what could have been seasons. He did invoke the locker room personna of Rockney IMO, and that has led to his mystique. But, what I consider a legend....he's sub-par to Saban or Bear, or Neyland. Majors had the mystique and personna but not elite or legend IMO. On the field Fulmer torched him. Majors was marginally above .600 win % at UT. Maybe .640 range. That's not worthy of legend consideration. Woody Hayes was/is a legend, but has anyone ever been truly bad at tOSU post 40's?? Since 1890 they've only posted 14 losing records. Earl Bruce was posting as good a win% as Hayes but only had about 1/3 the seasons. BK win% at ND was #3/4 all-time range at ND. If he'd stayed in his arena and got a natty or two there, he'd have hit legend. He already had 12 seasons. Tressel got tarnished, but was on his way to tOSU legend easily.

And I'm thinking time sensitive eras as legends. Pre-WWII/1960's, and post-60's. Totally different football game evolved. But, legends nonetheless. There will be very few legends going forward with the inherent lack of tenures in today's programs. Saban, Smart and Dabo are rare commodities by today's standards. Richt had a long run at UGA for the times. Smart will be another Vince Dooley as long as he chooses to coach and I doubt he would coach another college program, and likely not NFL. He will be the current rare breed and will be UGA or retired. I could see Elcko hitting the long haul at A&M. Day has to put up with alot of crap, but he may make the long haul by choice. I could see Lanning hitting a stride at Oregon maybe. Cristobol may finish out at Miami. But, I don't see any of them except Kirby reaching legend status of the current HC's.
 
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#60
#60
Flipdaddy said:
They may know the name Neyland but they have know clue of who he was.
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Thatā€™s really not surprising. I didnā€™t know who Paul Brown was until I was in my 20ā€™s and drove through Cincinnati. Most people donā€™t know who Fielding Yost or Frank Leahy are either. Those two had 11 national championships between them.
 
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#62
#62
YankeeVol said:
33-26 is great at USCjr lol
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At the time, South Carolinaā€™s 17 combined victories under Holtz in 2000 and 2001 were the most wins in a two-year span in program history. Heck, 2001 was only the second time a USC football team won nine games (it won 10 in 1984). What made those seasons even more remarkable was what preceded them. The 1999 football season ā€” Holtzā€™s first leading the Gamecocks ā€” was arguably the worst in program history, a winless 0-11 campaign with 10 double-digit defeats. ā€œRecords can be deceiving,ā€ Holtz would later tell people about that 0-11 season. ā€œWe really werenā€™t as good as our record would lead you to believe.ā€

Read more at: https://www.thestate.com/sports/col...-football/article314509297.html#storylink=cpy
 
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