Predictions for 2007

#102
#102
VolinArizona said:
I know how the spread works and how defenses can stop it. You're not teaching me anything new. :)

That being said, you're making my point! Since when are defenses disciplined enough to make the spread option a worthless offense? If Tennessee can't be disciplined to stop Air Force's option, it sure as hell won't be for Florida's athletes!

One of the biggest keys to the spread option is actually those offensive linemen. When WVU was doing it at its best, it didn't matter if the QB pitched or kept, he had a guaranteed 5 yards almost every play. Any coach would take that. WVU's linemen were incredible at the style.

I don't have my nerdy folder of info with me right now, but I think Florida returns 3 or 4 starters on their line. If they're athletic enough to get out into the flats and into the LBs' zones, but also strong enough for the initial push, Meyer will take 4-5 yards every single time.
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I think UT will have the toughest time stopping it bc we will be the first to see it fully implemented and tendencies won't yet be established. One thing we know for sure that is set. Tebow prefers to run left when he keeps it. But by midseason teams will know tendencies and it will be much tougher. As far as UT stopping USAFA you are right, we didn't. Not because we couldn't but because we didn't. I don't think you will see UT get handled like that again by an option. I do think you have to go verticle.
 
#103
#103
VolinArizona said:
I know how the spread works and how defenses can stop it. You're not teaching me anything new. :)

That being said, you're making my point! Since when are defenses disciplined enough to make the spread option a worthless offense? If Tennessee can't be disciplined to stop Air Force's option, it sure as hell won't be for Florida's athletes!

One of the biggest keys to the spread option is actually those offensive linemen. When WVU was doing it at its best, it didn't matter if the QB pitched or kept, he had a guaranteed 5 yards almost every play. Any coach would take that. WVU's linemen were incredible at the style.

I don't have my nerdy folder of info with me right now, but I think Florida returns 3 or 4 starters on their line. If they're athletic enough to get out into the flats and into the LBs' zones, but also strong enough for the initial push, Meyer will take 4-5 yards every single time.
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also, not forgetting what most SEC defenses are geared to stop right now....that makes that offense that much more appealing to Meyer and his crew.

this league is chock full of great DL and LB's that can rush the passer and stuff the run.

get those guys sliding the line and having to determine who's got the ball and where, and boom...it makes defenses in this league that are designed to dictate to the offenes, one that has to wait and react to where the ball is.

if that offense executes correctly, it will take advantage of it every time.

i do agree with him though, that eventually defenses will catch up to it...but not as quickly has he thinks.

and again, a lot has to do with who is going to be running that offense. the guys running it aren't the same caliber atheletes seen at WVU, AF, Utah etc....these guys could legitimately play in any offense at any big time program in the country....which is what i think will make the most difference at UF. scheme will get you only so far. put the kind of atheletes he'll have at UF in that scheme....well, you know where i stand.
 
#104
#104
hatvol96 said:
Florida hasn't backed into this game at all. They've met every challenge put in front of them. Nebraska backed in after the '01 season. OU did in '03. Florida earned their spot.
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Holy schnike, I actually agree with Dark Helmet about more than just Fulmer.
 
#106
#106
jakez4ut said:
also, not forgetting what most SEC defenses are geared to stop right now....that makes that offense that much more appealing to Meyer and his crew.

this league is chock full of great DL and LB's that can rush the passer and stuff the run.

get those guys sliding the line and having to determine who's got the ball and where, and boom...it makes defenses in this league that are designed to dictate to the offenes, one that has to wait and react to where the ball is.

if that offense executes correctly, it will take advantage of it every time.

i do agree with him though, that eventually defenses will catch up to it...but not as quickly has he thinks.

and again, a lot has to do with who is going to be running that offense. the guys running it aren't the same caliber atheletes seen at WVU, AF, Utah etc....these guys could legitimately play in any offense at any big time program in the country....which is what i think will make the most difference at UF. scheme will get you only so far. put the kind of atheletes he'll have at UF in that scheme....well, you know where i stand.
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No question but that your standard swarming SEC defense is mighty tasty for those running spread option.

When plating versus the spread, discipline is as important as speed and athleticisim.
 
#107
#107
VolBeef88 said:
What Big Time School run the option on a regular basis not just a gimmick play here and there?
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Hat mentioned some horses running this and Arkansas is in the midst of transformation to the spread. Likening the offense to the wishbone of yore is comparing the machine I'm typing on to an abacus.
 
#108
#108
lawgator1 said:
No question but that your standard swarming SEC defense is mighty tasty for those running spread option.

When plating versus the spread, discipline is as important as speed and athleticisim.
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i agree....and i don't like it.

i wish i truly did believe the opposite.

but you look at the outside speed of the guys that will be toting the rock for htem, you look at what Tebow is capable of running it (still not sold on the arm, but just haven't seen enough of it yet)...some of these defenses have their work cut out for them.

and there's not enough film on it yet to learn tendencies, weak spots etc....that will change as the year goes along, but Meyer has proven that over the course of the season, he'll change things up a bit every now and then....and have a few wrinkles later on in the season.

and i hate it.
 
#109
#109
Some of you act as if UF is the only school in the SEC with top notch players. News flash guys EVERY school in the SEC has great to really good players with speed.
 
#110
#110
BigPapaVol said:
Hat mentioned some horses running this and Arkansas is in the midst of transformation to the spread. Likening the offense to the wishbone of yore is comparing the machine I'm typing on to an abacus.
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Arky only runs taht because of McFadden. They have an all American drop back passer who is a true Frosh. Don't look for them to go spread next year. And trust me, I know a thing or 2 about the spread and the diff in what the Cryer is doing and the bone.
 
#111
#111
VolBeef88 said:
Some of you act as if UF is the only school in the SEC with top notch players. News flash guys EVERY school in the SEC has great to really good players with speed.
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I agree overall, but anyone who fails to appreciate that Harvin is something special does so at his own risk.
 
#112
#112
VolBeef88 said:
Some of you act as if UF is the only school in the SEC with top notch players. News flash guys EVERY school in the SEC has great to really good players with speed.
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i haven't seen any one downgrade the talent in the SEC compared to florida?

it's how that talent is used that is in question. but, truth be known, as it stands today, Florida does have a ton of top notch talent right now, and is at the very least one of the top 2 or 3 most talented teams in the SEC right now.
 
#114
#114
jakez4ut said:
your right about the qb situation and having ainge as SR will give us an advantage in every game we play. lots of spring and off season practices to go...so plenty of time for development, but as i see it right now, it's likely we will have similar question marks on the O line and and Front on defense going in to next season. add to that that our secondary is going to get younger and don't we lose Wilhoit also? Also, not to forget the WR position...i think we have talent there and cut will get them ready, but they will be largely in experienced and young...they'll have to grow up quickly.

i just see similar questions going in to next season as this season (minus the ainge question mind you).

and lastly, we play florida so early....it's always a feeling out process for us. Good news for us is we will already have a big road game prior to that at Cal.

I'll put the Fl game right now in a "can" win category...but not a "should" win.
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Reminds me of the year after Peyton left. Similiar questions on defense, offense was an unknown and a tough opening schedule (Syracuse-Donavan McNabb and Florida). That's what makes it fun.
 
#115
#115
lawgator1 said:
I agree overall, but anyone who fails to appreciate that Harvin is something special does so at his own risk.
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Didn't say he wasn't. But the fact is that with Leak in at QB thisyear teams HAD to account for his arm and I don't think Leak got near the props he deserved this year. Given the option I would take Leak over Tebow. Leak will be an NFL qb and Tebow will not.
 
#116
#116
VolBeef88 said:
Didn't say he wasn't. But the fact is that with Leak in at QB thisyear teams HAD to account for his arm and I don't think Leak got near the props he deserved this year. Given the option I would take Leak over Tebow. Leak will be an NFL qb and Tebow will not.
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The most significant thing Leak could possibly hope to accomplish in the NFL would be a long career of standing on some team's sideline holding a clipboard. If he manages that, he will have succeeded in the NFL, given his abilities.
 
#117
#117
VolBeef88 said:
Didn't say he wasn't. But the fact is that with Leak in at QB thisyear teams HAD to account for his arm and I don't think Leak got near the props he deserved this year. Given the option I would take Leak over Tebow. Leak will be an NFL qb and Tebow will not.
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Leak will get a look, but he's not tough enough nor tall enough to be anything but a lifetime backup. Tebow will probably have a more successful college career, even though he might not notch as many wins.
 
#118
#118
I also do not think Leak has much NFL potential. Then again, Grossman couldn't take a hit, either.
 
#119
#119
allvol123 said:
The most significant thing Leak could possibly hope to accomplish in the NFL would be a long career of standing on some team's sideline holding a clipboard. If he manages that, he will have succeeded in the NFL, given his abilities.
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I think you will be surprised. Tebow might make the CFL, if he is lucky.
 
#121
#121
OK guys. Live in fear of an offense that was shelved by MOST teams 10 to 20 years ago because they were unable to win enough with it. But I will lose no sleep.
 
#122
#122
VolBeef88 said:
Arky only runs taht because of McFadden. They have an all American drop back passer who is a true Frosh. Don't look for them to go spread next year. And trust me, I know a thing or 2 about the spread and the diff in what the Cryer is doing and the bone.
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Well, you know exactly Jack about the AR offense. I'll assure the spread is what they'll be running and that All American QB ran it in HS for the new OC at Arkansas.
 
#123
#123
VolBeef88 said:
OK guys. Live in fear of an offense that was shelved by MOST teams 10 to 20 years ago because they were unable to win enough with it. But I will lose no sleep.
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The spread option wasn't shelved by teams 10 to 20 years ago. And we're just saying it will be a good offense.
 
#124
#124
BigPapaVol said:
Well, you know exactly Jack about the AR offense. I'll assure the spread is what they'll be running and that All American QB ran it in HS for the new OC at Arkansas.
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Mitch Mustain did not run the spread. Springdale AR highschool ran a Hurry Up No Huddle and threw a ton. He along with his fellow Bulldog teamates Cleveland (frosh TE) and Williams (Frosh WR who first chose UF and then decomitted and chose Arky) were very lethal. They occasionally threw in a wrinkle of the option but they were a verticle offense. McFadden also played some High school qb and that gave Gus Malzahn (former Springdale HS coach) the idea of putting him in what Arky calls the "Wild Cat" offense. McFadden is a freak of nature back that can do a ton of things. However, the "Wild Cat" was used more once Mustain started slipping in his performance. Now, would you like to tell me about the Arky team?
 
#125
#125
VolinArizona said:
Leak will get a look, but he's not tough enough nor tall enough to be anything but a lifetime backup. Tebow will probably have a more successful college career, even though he might not notch as many wins.
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agree about Leak...can't see him making it big in the NFL...

Tebow though, and obviously this is way early...but i could see him turning out kind of like a Matt Jones type in the NFL at some point.
 
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