Predictions for 2007

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#126
Just for clarification, the spread and the spread option are different animals, too. The spread = pass a ton, the spread option = run a ton.
 
#127
#127
Basically, this spread style option is now built around a passing AND running quarterback. This makes those defenses pay that commit their safeties to the run. This turns the option defender back into a decision maker.
 
#128
#128
jakez4ut said:
agree about Leak...can't see him making it big in the NFL...

Tebow though, and obviously this is way early...but i could see him turning out kind of like a Matt Jones type in the NFL at some point.
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Why? Jones was one of the best atheletes we have seen in the SEC in years. He would run circles around Tebow. He was a starting QB and was a starter for their BB team. He could run like a dear and could catch. Tebow might make a tight end if he is lucky.
 
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#129
VolBeef88 said:
Mitch Mustain did not run the spread. Springdale AR highschool ran a Hurry Up No Huddle and threw a ton. He along with his fellow Bulldog teamates Cleveland (frosh TE) and Williams (Frosh WR who first chose UF and then decomitted and chose Arky) were very lethal. They occasionally threw in a wrinkle of the option but they were a verticle offense. McFadden also played some High school qb and that gave Gus Malzahn (former Springdale HS coach) the idea of putting him in what Arky calls the "Wild Cat" offense. McFadden is a freak of nature back that can do a ton of things. However, the "Wild Cat" was used more once Mustain started slipping in his performance. Now, would you like to tell me about the Arky team?
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Go find Gus Malzahn's books and tell me about what offense you believe they are running here at AR and were running at Springdale.
 
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#130
BigPapaVol said:
Basically, this spread style option is now built around a passing AND running quarterback. This makes those defenses pay that commit their safeties to the run. This turns the option defender back into a decision maker.
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Wrong! The spread option is RUN first and pass when you need to. Now you may make this stuff up in your head but it is not the case. First option is run.
 
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#131
VolBeef88 said:
Why? Jones was one of the best atheletes we have seen in the SEC in years. He would run circles around Tebow. He was a starting QB and was a starter for their BB team. He could run like a dear and could catch. Tebow might make a tight end if he is lucky.
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that's kind of why i prefaced the whole thing with the fact that this was "way early"....and that i "could see" that comparison.

it wasn't a direct comparison...just a conclusion based upon phyiscal attributes i've seen thus far.

he doesn't fit the standard qb profile for the NFL, he's shown so far to be a pretty good athelete, and as such, i would tend to think that any NFL future he has would have him as a pass receiver of some sort...WR or TE. but not as a prototypical NFL qb.
 
#132
#132
IMO the spread option gives defenses an opportunity to knock the QB out of the game. Most teams try to protect the QB.

Spread formations dont have a TE or RB available to block in case of a blitz. Its been described as "duck and chuck" with short passes and where the QB gets nailed a lot.

You have to have a very physical QB to make this offense work, one that can take a lot of punishment. Its hard to find someone with that ability and can throw the ball well and make quick decisions.
 
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#133
BigPapaVol said:
Go find Gus Malzahn's books and tell me about what offense you believe they are running here at AR and were running at Springdale.
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Don't have to go find his book. I know what they ran. Hurry Up No Huddle. That's what they call the HUNH or hun. Before you go talking tactics on football I suggest you know. Mustain was the top pro style QB coming out of highschool. That doesn't happen unless you throw the ball a lot. Cleveland was one of the top recieving TE in the nation coming out of HS and Williams was one of the top WR. HMMMM let me see. The qb was the top passer "pro style" qb, the TE was one of the top recieving TE and Williams was one of the top WR for yards and yards per catch. Yep you are right. That sounds like an option team... :crazy:
 
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#134
oklavol said:
IMO the spread option gives defenses an opportunity to knock the QB out of the game. Most teams try to protect the QB.

Spread formations dont have a TE or RB available to block in case of a blitz. Its been described as "duck and chuck" with short passes and where the QB gets nailed a lot.
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Thank you!
 
#135
#135
oklavol said:
IMO the spread option gives defenses an opportunity to knock the QB out of the game. Most teams try to protect the QB.

Spread formations dont have a TE or RB available to block in case of a blitz. Its been described as "duck and chuck" with short passes and where the QB gets nailed a lot.

You have to have a very physical QB to make this offense work, one that can take a lot of punishment. Its hard to find someone with that ability and can throw the ball well and make quick decisions.
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VolBeef88 said:
Thank you!
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Volbeef, finally got some validation huh?

and i do agree with that analysis. but that rationale is based upon our perception of the typical SEC pocket qb.

i keep saying it...it depends on the personnel you have running this offense as to how successful it will be. Tebow is designed for it. Will he get hit? yeah sure, but so does every qb at some point. Will tebow get hit more? yes he will, but based on what i've seen, he can take it. he can dish it too...
 
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jakez4ut said:
Volbeef, finally got some validation huh?

and i do agree with that analysis. but that rationale is based upon our perception of the typical SEC pocket qb.

i keep saying it...it depends on the personnel you have running this offense as to how successful it will be. Tebow is designed for it. Will he get hit? yeah sure, but so does every qb at some point. Will tebow get hit more? yes he will, but based on what i've seen, he can take it. he can dish it too...
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I don't live for nor do I need validation Jake. And I think Okie is more in your camp than mine but just pointing something out. Every offense and defense is successful or not due to the personnel? So what is your point?
I stand by my prediction that they will be succesful early but suffer later. These D coodinators are not dumb and neither are the kids playing defense. You have to be able to go verticle. That is one of the best things Cut has brought back to UT. I got so tired of the darn screen pass that CRS was using 700 times a game.
 
#137
#137
VolBeef88 said:
I don't live for nor do I need validation Jake. And I think Okie is more in your camp than mine but just pointing something out. Every offense and defense is successful or not due to the personnel? So what is your point?
I stand by my prediction that they will be succesful early but suffer later. These D coodinators are not dumb and neither are the kids playing defense. You have to be able to go verticle. That is one of the best things Cut has brought back to UT. I got so tired of the darn screen pass that CRS was using 700 times a game.
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For one thing, just for me, could you please spell vertical correctly? :)

Also, offensive coordinators aren't dumb either. For every action, there is a reaction. And in football, as you know, for every reaction, there is a reaction, and so forth until ... forever.
 
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#138
VolinArizona said:
For one thing, just for me, could you please spell verticLE correctly? :)

Also, offensive coordinators aren't dumb either. For every action, there is a reaction. And in football, as you know, for every reaction, there is a reaction, and so forth until ... forever.
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NO! :shaking2: I fixed it for you!
 
#139
#139
VolBeef88 said:
I don't live for nor do I need validation Jake. And I think Okie is more in your camp than mine but just pointing something out. Every offense and defense is successful or not due to the personnel? So what is your point?
I stand by my prediction that they will be succesful early but suffer later. These D coodinators are not dumb and neither are the kids playing defense. You have to be able to go verticle. That is one of the best things Cut has brought back to UT. I got so tired of the darn screen pass that CRS was using 700 times a game.
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that the people running that offesne at FL vs. some of the other programs discussed so far, will be leaps and bounds better, and regardless of what defensive coordinators do next year, at some point, those atheletes will just prove out to be better than the defensive atheletes they play against. And who said they wont' go vertical? i think you'll see the pass plenty from them next year.

it won't matter what adjustments are made throughout the season.

And even if it did, Meyer proved this year, he is also capable of making adjustments as the season goes along.

Florida will be very good next year, barring key injuries or being careless with the football consistently.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that the people running that offesne at FL vs. some of the other programs discussed so far, will be leaps and bounds better, and regardless of what defensive coordinators do next year, at some point, those atheletes will just prove out to be better than the defensive atheletes they play against. And who said they wont' go vertical? i think you'll see the pass plenty from them next year.

it won't matter what adjustments are made throughout the season.

And even if it did, Meyer proved this year, he is also capable of making adjustments as the season goes along.

Florida will be very good next year, barring key injuries or being careless with the football consistently.
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There's a news flash. How about this one. UT will be good next year. Or this one LSU will be good next year or Auburn or UGA...:)
 
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#141
VolBeef88 said:
There's a news flash. How about this one. UT will be good next year. Or this one LSU will be good next year or Auburn or UGA...:)
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i agree. Florida will be better though. I think Florida and LSU are, on paper, the best two teams in the SEC going in to next year.

GA, TN, Auburn, SC, ARK etc...will all resemble each other next year as we all fight for #2 in our respective divisions.
 
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#148
VolBeef88 said:
There is a lot of time between now and then. I'mnot ready to crown anyone or give up yet.
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oh, i know, and it's not really giving up...just a "prediction" based on what i know right now.

lots of stuff could change between now and then...and believe me, when Florida week comes next year, i'll be rooting for TN like always, actually believing we can win that game. and we can. i just can't say we will with a straight face.:crazy:
 
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